GUN NUT MASSACRES 5 WOMEN IN CHICAGO CLOTHING STORE

[robw]

No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed.


"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:E-mdnYX2qMX6mTTanZ2dnUVZ_qmdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to
> > criminals.
> >
> > You getting this?
>
> Yea, it's already a ****ing crime. A crime YOU are unable to enforce. So
> your solution? Yet another law which can't be enforced any more
effectively
> against those who are the problem.
>
> > Lou's??????
>
> Exactly.
>
> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:qC6qj.49773$K%.14558@trnddc04...
> >>
> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> newsq2dnQp866i_bDXanZ2dnUVZ_sednZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > Breaking the laws is generally the first sign.
> >>
> >> So why do you think they will suddenly start obeying the law?
> >>
> >>
> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> > newsR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> > By shear numbers........yes.
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >> What makes them criminals?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>> And the felon finds these recruits where?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> He already has people working for him.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It might not be easy to find that many more people that can
> >> >> >>> legally
> >> > buy
> >> >> >>> guns.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>> It;s the inner city, not the burbs.
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>> news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>> The one gun question.....
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to
> >> >> >>>>> criminals.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a
> >> >> >>>> "straw"
> >> >> >>>> sale/purchase.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm
> >> >> >>>> questioning your preconceptions?
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks
> >> > [ profit ]
> >> >> >>> I'm making 900
> >> >> >>>>> bucks a month.
> >> >> >>>>> (you following this?)
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> Seemingly much better than you are.
> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >>>>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go
down.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> Any questions?
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more
> > people
> >> > to
> >> >> >>>> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and amount
> >> >> >>>> of
> >> >> > crime.
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it
along
> > to
> >> > Lou
> >> >> >>> of
> >> >> >>>>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such
sales.
> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a
> > straw
> >> >> >>>>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from
buying
> >> > guns,
> >> >> >>>>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary
> > fills
> >> > out
> >> >> >>>>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then
> >> >> >>>>>> gives
> >> > them
> >> >> >>> to
> >> >> >>>>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally
resells
> >> >> >>>>>> them
> >> >> > for
> >> >> >>>>>> a big profit.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of
> >> >> >>>>>> violations
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >>>>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw
> >> >> >>>>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and
selling
> >> >> > multiple
> >> >> >>>>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of
the
> >> >> > Federal
> >> >> >>>>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program.
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"?
> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Well, let's see.......
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells them
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> to
> >> >> > people
> >> >> >>>>> who
> >> >> >>>>>>> are
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being
able
> > to
> >> > buy
> >> >> >>> one
> >> >> >>>>>>> gun a
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> month?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one
> >> >> >>>>>>>> gun
> > a
> >> >> >>> month'
> >> >> >>>>>>>> prevent straw buys?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> from
> >> > the
> >> >> >>>>>>> dealer.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun
> > Reporting
> >> >> >>>>> program.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF any
> >> >> > "multiple
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five
> >> > consecutive
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> business days.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include people
> > with
> >> >> >>>>>>>>> collector's
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> licenses.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's
> >> > license"?
> >> >> >>> Or
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock
> > yourself
> >> >> > out.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be it.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing.
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> You?
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished?
> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[robw]

No, it was my point.

Cities are obviously going to be more diverse than a burb.


"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:wrOdncfuLqNdmTTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Do you think Philly has more Starf cks than cherry Hill Nj?
>
> Attempt to divert the discussion is noted.
>
>
> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> > news:wF6qj.17500$hF2.12209@trnddc02...
> >>
> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:n5udnZjl9M8ebDXanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > So a city of millions would not have more of everything you could
name
> >> > than
> >> > a suburban community of couple hundred thou???????
> >>
> >> I see. So you don't believe in rates?
> >>
> >> If a city of 10,000,000 has 1,000 homicides then that is far worse than
a
> >> city of 2,000 that has 500 homicides?
> >>
> >> Further, even in the city, even by shear numbers few people are
> >> criminals.
> >>
> >>
> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:IT5qj.20067$Ou1.14023@trnddc07...
> >> >>
> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:b6OdnY4jnNG2fDXanZ2dnUVZ_s-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> > By shear numbers........yes.
> >> >>
> >> >> Proof.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:d54qj.60982$k27.13050@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> > And the felon finds these recruits where?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > He already has people working for him.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It might not be easy to find that many more people that can
> > legally
> >> > buy
> >> >> >> > guns.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It;s the inner city, not the burbs.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Are you saying that the inner city is full of criminals?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:JvPpj.91276$K27.38256@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> The one gun question.....
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Let's see..... I'm a legal buyer who sells the guns to
> > criminals.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> Hypothesis accepted. However, what you're describing is NOT a
> >> > "straw"
> >> >> >> >> sale/purchase.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Thugs, as you all so "with it" morons like to refer it to.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> Does it make you feel superior to denigrate others?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> Why do you feel the need to play the insult card? Because I'm
> >> >> >> >> questioning your preconceptions?
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> If I'm buying 30 guns a month and selling them at 30 bucks
> >> > [ profit ]
> >> >> >> > I'm making 900
> >> >> >> >>> bucks a month.
> >> >> >> >>> (you following this?)
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> Seemingly much better than you are.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> If I can only buy one handgun a month my profits kinda go
down.
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> Any questions?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> So the felon working the straw-purchase scheme recruits more
> > people
> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> buy guns for him, increasing the number of criminals and
amount
> > of
> >> >> > crime.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> news:s1Mpj.91016$L%6.45696@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> So what is your definition and you might want to pas it
along
> > to
> >> >> >> >>>>> Lou
> >> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >>>>> Lou's pawn Shop [ Lou's Loans ] who got closed for such
> >> >> >> >>>>> sales.
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Someone gives you the money and you buy a gun for them is a
> > straw
> >> >> >> >>>> purchase. Doesn't matter if it's one gun or several.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> In a straw-purchase scheme, a felon, barred by law from
buying
> >> > guns,
> >> >> >> >>>> recruits someone who can legally buy guns. The intermediary
> > fills
> >> >> >> >>>> out
> >> >> >> >>>> forms, passes a background check, purchases the guns, then
> > gives
> >> >> >> >>>> them
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >>>> the felon, who uses them to commit crimes or illegally
resells
> >> > them
> >> >> > for
> >> >> >> >>>> a big profit.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> Lou's Loans lost its license because of a multitude of
> >> > violations
> >> >> > of
> >> >> >> >>>> federal gun laws, some of those violations were straw
> >> >> >> >>>> sales/purchases--also there were illegal purchases and
selling
> >> >> > multiple
> >> >> >> >>>> guns to a person without notifying the ATF in violation of
the
> >> >> > Federal
> >> >> >> >>>> Multiple Handgun Reporting program.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> How does one gun a month eliminate "straw purchases"?
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>> news:ToLpj.90999$L%6.70175@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> Well, let's see.......
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and sells
them
> > to
> >> >> > people
> >> >> >> >>> who
> >> >> >> >>>>> are
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> not legal to own.......vs. that same person only being
able
> > to
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> buy
> >> >> >> > one
> >> >> >> >>>>> gun a
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> month?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> That is not, by definition, a straw sale.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Back to the original situation and question, how does 'one
> > gun
> >> >> >> >>>>>> a
> >> >> >> > month'
> >> >> >> >>>>>> prevent straw buys?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> news:J3Lpj.90990$L%6.70634@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> How exactly does this prevent straw purchases?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> The final recipient of the gun is not the one buying it
> > from
> >> > the
> >> >> >> >>>>> dealer.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Also, currently there is a Federal Multiple Handgun
> > Reporting
> >> >> >> >>> program.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Current federal law requires dealers to report to ATF
any
> >> >> > "multiple
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> sales" of two or more handguns that occur within five
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> consecutive
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> business days.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> And before you even start, this would not include
people
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> with
> >> >> >> >>>>>>> collector's
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> licenses.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> Is there a current requirement to obtain a "collector's
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> license"?
> >> >> >> > Or
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>> would this be a new requirement?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>> news:dmKpj.60271$k27.3858@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> Eliminating straw buys would be a great start.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> Straw buys are currently illegal.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>> How do you propose to eliminate them?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>> news:bEJpj.90928$L%6.33472@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want a legal carry law in Chicago, knock
> > yourself
> >> >> > out.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> If you want to legally own a million guns, so be
it.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> I just want illegal guns reduced to nothing.
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>> You?
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>>>>>>>> How do you suggest that be accomplished?
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[robw]

You post here for entertainment?

Your life that shallow?

what a twat you are.


"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
news:Q28qj.49853$K%.47309@trnddc04...
>
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:u_idnYr3YPLomDTanZ2dnUVZ_g2dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >I could give a rat's ass about your position.
>
> Likewise.
>
> <plonk>
>
> Your entertainment value just hit zero.
>
>

 

[robw]

ever lived in a city where kids get killed by stray fire from illegal guns?


"Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:B28qj.17540$hF2.1@trnddc02...
> From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales
> interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the
> existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun?
>
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Read the thread.
> >
> >
> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
> > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07...
> >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo to
> >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is also
> >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold
> >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? Or
> >> are
> >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller?
> >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing.
> >>
> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals and
now
> >> > they
> >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business.
> >> >
> >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome
supply
> > and
> >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins.
> >> >
> >> > You could revolutionize our industry!
> >> >
> >> > We await your enlightenment.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01...
> >> >>
> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of guns
> >> >> >being
> >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number that
can
> > be
> >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least.
> >> >>
> >> >> Your stupidity is noted.
> >> >>
> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Math? What math?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that doesn't
> >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to
> >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and
> >> >> > now
> >> >> >> > I
> >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month...
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal
> >> > law--dealing
> >> >> > in
> >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already
> >> >> >> >> illegal.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get
> >> > reported
> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company?????
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate
> >> > federal
> >> >> >> >> firearms laws.
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
> >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9
> >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com:
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month.
> >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how????
> >> >> >> >>>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> It won't.
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the
identical
> >> >> > question,
> >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and
> > sells
> >> >> >> >>>> them
> >> >> >> > to
> >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person
> >> >> >> >>>> only
> >> >> >> >>>> being
> >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?"
> >> >> >> >>>>
> >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys".
> >> >> >> >>>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

 

[robw]

Why would you need more than one handgun a month?


"Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
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>
> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
> news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
> > Why would you need more than one handgun a month?
>
> What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns????
>
>
>
> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> robw wrote:
> >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner?
> >> >
> >>
> >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm.
> >>
> >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how many
> >> handguns I purchase withing a month?
> >>
> >> What's your point?
> >>
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >> >> robw wrote:
> >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me.
> >> >>>
> >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true
agenda
> >> >> showing through?
> >> >>
> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
> >> >>>> robw wrote:
> >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies.
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>>>
> >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the
> >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something
> > that
> >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >
> >> >
> >
> >
>
>

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> Great point!
>
> Street's no longer the mayor here now and the new one really wants to make a
> difference.
>

You'll note I didn't quote him as Mayor John Street.

I don't believe that the one gun a month law addresses the "social problem".

I also don't believe Nutter is willing to address the underlying
problems either.


>
> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> news:qK7qj.91830$K27.31854@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> robw wrote:
>>> Were there 400 murders where you live last year?
>>>
>> No.
>>
>> But then, I don't live were "There... this is... this is a social
>> problem."--John Street
>>
>>
>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9s6qj.76742$N67.43060@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>> robw wrote:
>>>>> Breaking the laws is generally the first sign.
>>>>>
>>>> I'm not convinced the inner city is, by shear numbers, full of
> criminals.
>>>> I'm convinced that you believe the people in the inner city are
>>>> criminals though.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>>>>> newsR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>>>> robw wrote:
>>>>>>> By shear numbers........yes.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> What makes them criminals?
>>>>>>
>
>

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> Yup, and we need more Lou's.
>
> You're getting it!
>

Since what Lou was doing was already illegal, you're saying that current
laws address the problem and should be more heavily enforced.

Oh, no, that's not what you've been saying, you're saying that a new law
is needed because the criminals are ignoring the current laws.



>
> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> news:0M7qj.91832$K27.29746@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> robw wrote:
>>> People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to
> criminals.
>> Isn't that illegal?
>>
>>> You getting this?
>>>
>> Are you?
>>
>>> Lou's??????
>>>
>> Wasn't Lou's Loans shut down for illegal activity?
>
>

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed.
>
>

Just like dealers are shut down for noncompliance with the current laws?

Under 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(3), sale or disposition of more than one handgun
during a period of 5 consecutive business days must be reported in
writing on the ATF Multiple Sale Form. It must then be sent to the ATF
office, and another copy must be forwarded to the State Police or local
law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form also
includes the firearms transaction record (ATF Form 4473), which
documents the sale or disposition of the second handgun. Under this law,
buyers are not told or given notice that this form is filed with two law
enforcement agencies.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000923----000-.html

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> Why would you need more than one handgun a month?
>
>

As long as what I'm doing isn't illegal, why should I justify myself to
you or anyone else?

There are laws in place to report multiple purchases.

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> I could really care less what you think.
>
>

I believe I brought this to your attention before.

If you /could/ care less" that means you care some.

If you _couldn't_ care less... that means you don't care any.

Just so you know.

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> If I offered you a thousand bucks to understand what I meant would you turn
> down the money?
>

You might want to rethink that phrasing. It's nonsensical as written.

> Didn't think so.
>
>
>
> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> news:3O7qj.91834$K27.39717@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> robw wrote:
>>> Sorry, but I see you as a useless moron that excepts their fate.
>>>
>> Accepts?
>
>

 

[Magus]

robw wrote:
> I believe what in believe in.
>
> Problem?
>

No, I just want you to base your belief on reality, current law, past
experiences of other locations, and similar criteria.

If you review our exchanges, you'll find that you're the one using
personal attacks, insults, and anger.

If you want to get a law enacted you really need to be more articulate
and be able to express why the law is needed, exactly what it addresses,
and is it the best way to address the problem. Otherwise you're just
another nut trying to invoke an emotional response, creating a knee-jerk
reaction that doesn't address the problem.



>
>
>
> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> news:HQ7qj.91836$K27.24075@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> robw wrote:
>>> I could give a rat's ass about your position.
>>>
>> You're right, your mind can't be changed, and you give a rat's ass about
>> another's position. That about sum it up?
>>
>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>>> news:nw6qj.76746$N67.34695@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>>>> robw wrote:
>>>>> You're right.
>>>>>
>>>>> Still not changing my mind and not trying to change yours.
>>>>>
>>>> Ah, but do you actually know what my position is? Specially since I
>>>> haven't advocated any position, all I've done is try to educate you
> with
>>>> some factual information.
>>>>
>>>>> feel better?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>
>

 

[robw]

You'll note that I don't care?


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
newsH9qj.70203$_m.2257@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > Great point!
> >
> > Street's no longer the mayor here now and the new one really wants to
make a
> > difference.
> >
>
> You'll note I didn't quote him as Mayor John Street.
>
> I don't believe that the one gun a month law addresses the "social
problem".
>
> I also don't believe Nutter is willing to address the underlying
> problems either.
>
>
> >
> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> > news:qK7qj.91830$K27.31854@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> robw wrote:
> >>> Were there 400 murders where you live last year?
> >>>
> >> No.
> >>
> >> But then, I don't live were "There... this is... this is a social
> >> problem."--John Street
> >>
> >>
> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:9s6qj.76742$N67.43060@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >>>> robw wrote:
> >>>>> Breaking the laws is generally the first sign.
> >>>>>
> >>>> I'm not convinced the inner city is, by shear numbers, full of
> > criminals.
> >>>> I'm convinced that you believe the people in the inner city are
> >>>> criminals though.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >>>>> newsR5qj.76724$N67.20198@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >>>>>> robw wrote:
> >>>>>>> By shear numbers........yes.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> What makes them criminals?
> >>>>>>
> >
> >

 

[robw]

One handgun a month.

Did I stutter?


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
news:xJ9qj.70205$_m.36803@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > Yup, and we need more Lou's.
> >
> > You're getting it!
> >
>
> Since what Lou was doing was already illegal, you're saying that current
> laws address the problem and should be more heavily enforced.
>
> Oh, no, that's not what you've been saying, you're saying that a new law
> is needed because the criminals are ignoring the current laws.
>
>
>
> >
> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> > news:0M7qj.91832$K27.29746@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> robw wrote:
> >>> People who are legal to buy guns are doing so and selling them to
> > criminals.
> >> Isn't that illegal?
> >>
> >>> You getting this?
> >>>
> >> Are you?
> >>
> >>> Lou's??????
> >>>
> >> Wasn't Lou's Loans shut down for illegal activity?
> >
> >

 

[robw]

Lou's wasn't closed down until we acted.


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
news:OP9qj.70208$_m.26299@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > No, if a dealer defied the one gun a month they'd be closed.
> >
> >
>
> Just like dealers are shut down for noncompliance with the current laws?
>
> Under 18 U.S.C. 923(g)(3), sale or disposition of more than one handgun
> during a period of 5 consecutive business days must be reported in
> writing on the ATF Multiple Sale Form. It must then be sent to the ATF
> office, and another copy must be forwarded to the State Police or local
> law enforcement agency where the sale occurred. A copy of the Form also
> includes the firearms transaction record (ATF Form 4473), which
> documents the sale or disposition of the second handgun. Under this law,
> buyers are not told or given notice that this form is filed with two law
> enforcement agencies.
> http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/usc_sec_18_00000923----000-.html
>
>

 

[robw]

But I hope you were smart enough to get the point????


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
news:1X9qj.70214$_m.21880@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > If I offered you a thousand bucks to understand what I meant would you
turn
> > down the money?
> >
>
> You might want to rethink that phrasing. It's nonsensical as written.
>
> > Didn't think so.
> >
> >
> >
> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> > news:3O7qj.91834$K27.39717@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> robw wrote:
> >>> Sorry, but I see you as a useless moron that excepts their fate.
> >>>
> >> Accepts?
> >
> >

 

[robw]

I could give a rat's ass what you think.

You're nobody in my world.

you got that?


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
news:%0aqj.70218$_m.25028@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > I believe what in believe in.
> >
> > Problem?
> >
>
> No, I just want you to base your belief on reality, current law, past
> experiences of other locations, and similar criteria.
>
> If you review our exchanges, you'll find that you're the one using
> personal attacks, insults, and anger.
>
> If you want to get a law enacted you really need to be more articulate
> and be able to express why the law is needed, exactly what it addresses,
> and is it the best way to address the problem. Otherwise you're just
> another nut trying to invoke an emotional response, creating a knee-jerk
> reaction that doesn't address the problem.
>
>
>
> >
> >
> >
> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> > news:HQ7qj.91836$K27.24075@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
> >> robw wrote:
> >>> I could give a rat's ass about your position.
> >>>
> >> You're right, your mind can't be changed, and you give a rat's ass
about
> >> another's position. That about sum it up?
> >>
> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
> >>> news:nw6qj.76746$N67.34695@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
> >>>> robw wrote:
> >>>>> You're right.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Still not changing my mind and not trying to change yours.
> >>>>>
> >>>> Ah, but do you actually know what my position is? Specially since I
> >>>> haven't advocated any position, all I've done is try to educate you
> > with
> >>>> some factual information.
> >>>>
> >>>>> feel better?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >
> >

 

[robw]

Like I said.
I could care less.


"Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
news:zT9qj.70211$_m.58158@bignews4.bellsouth.net...
> robw wrote:
> > I could really care less what you think.
> >
> >
>
> I believe I brought this to your attention before.
>
> If you /could/ care less" that means you care some.
>
> If you _couldn't_ care less... that means you don't care any.
>
> Just so you know.

 

[Wayne]

Well yeah. How about San Bernardino, CA aka the 187 capital of CA. A town
of 250,000 where a day without a shooting is unusual, and a week without a
fatality from shooting is unusual.

The legal method of buying a gun involves your favorite one gun/month,
buying only guns on the state approved list, a mandatory safety certificate,
a 10 day waiting period, etc.

The problem is that these crimes are committed by people operating outside
the legal system of buying guns. Applying more constraints on the legal
system only punishes those who follow the rules.

What would be your solution?


"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1I2dnYJJ2tgajDTanZ2dnUVZ_sidnZ2d@comcast.com...
> ever lived in a city where kids get killed by stray fire from illegal
> guns?
>
>
> "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:B28qj.17540$hF2.1@trnddc02...
>> From what I have read, your lumping legal sales and illegal sales
>> interchangeably. This leads me to think you are not familiar with the
>> existing laws for gun sales. Ever bought a gun?
>>
>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news_-dnfWGLdiUmjTanZ2dnUVZ_jKdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > Read the thread.
>> >
>> >
>> > "Wayne" <mygarbagecan@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> > news:OP6qj.20080$Ou1.18955@trnddc07...
>> >> Still trying to understand this. If someone is selling 30 guns/mo to
>> >> criminals....are they known felons, in which case the seller is also
>> >> breaking the law, as well as the buyer? Or are the 30 guns sold
>> >> legitimately, and then the gun turns the buyer to a life of crime? Or
>> >> are
>> >> you wanting to limit retail sales to 1 per month per seller?
>> >> .....just trying to understand what you are proposing.
>> >>
>> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> news:VP-dncMSo4XlbjXanZ2dnUVZ_tSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> > Really, if someone is selling thirty guns a month to cri minals and
> now
>> >> > they
>> >> > can only buy one what does that do for their business.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm a retail trainer. You've apparently found a way to overcome
> supply
>> > and
>> >> > demand by actually offering less product at the same margins.
>> >> >
>> >> > You could revolutionize our industry!
>> >> >
>> >> > We await your enlightenment.
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:NU5qj.30674$xE.18010@trnddc01...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:i-OdnXUcVI9v8DXanZ2dnUVZ_uWdnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> >> >> >I advocate a law that would significantly reduce the number of
>> >> >> >guns
>> >> >> >being
>> >> >> > sold to people who can not buy them legally themselves.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sorry, but your one gun a month law doesn't change the number that
> can
>> > be
>> >> >> illegally sold to prohibited people in the least.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Your stupidity is noted.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> > news:GBPpj.91279$K27.52336@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >> >> robw wrote:
>> >> >> >> > Do the math and get back to me.
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Math? What math?
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> Straw sales are illegal behavior, you advocate a law that
>> >> >> >> doesn't
>> >> >> >> address 'straw' sales/purchases.
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> > news:zfMpj.91023$L%6.28591@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >> >> >> robw wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>> If I legally buy 60 guns a month and sell them to
>> >> >> >> >>> criminals.....and
>> >> >> > now
>> >> >> >> > I
>> >> >> >> >>> can only buy one gun a month...
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> Which is not "straw" sales. It is a violation of federal
>> >> > law--dealing
>> >> >> > in
>> >> >> >> >> firearms without a license though and as such is already
>> >> >> >> >> illegal.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >> And if those 60 guns are handguns, then those sales also get
>> >> > reported
>> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >> the ATF in accordance with current federal law.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>> Ya' wanna buy stock in my company?????
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >> I have no desire to participate in your conspiracy to violate
>> >> > federal
>> >> >> >> >> firearms laws.
>> >> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> >> >>> news:_wLpj.91004$L%6.53375@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >> >> >>>> RD (The Sandman) wrote:
>> >> >> >> >>>>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in news:ZdOdnRpL9
>> >> >> >> >>>>> _P65zranZ2dnUVZ_qydnZ2d@comcast.com:
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>>>> Limit the sale of hand guns to one a month.
>> >> >> >> >>>>> And will eliminate straw purchases....how????
>> >> >> >> >>>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> It won't.
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> If you read his reply to me when I asked nearly the
> identical
>> >> >> > question,
>> >> >> >> >>>> he states "If a legal purchaser buys many guns a month and
>> > sells
>> >> >> >> >>>> them
>> >> >> >> > to
>> >> >> >> >>>> people who are not legal to own.......vs. that same person
>> >> >> >> >>>> only
>> >> >> >> >>>> being
>> >> >> >> >>>> able to buy one gun a month?"
>> >> >> >> >>>>
>> >> >> >> >>>> What he describes is not "straw sales" nor "straw buys".
>> >> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

 

[Wayne]

Why would someone want to buy more than one gun per month? Besides, the
obvious answer "because I might want to"?

In case you forgot....

1. You apply for a CCW and you have to list the serial numbers on the
application for up to three guns. So you need to buy up to three at one
time, or wait 3 months.
2. You want to buy a gun that suddenly came available at a good price, but
you just bought a gun 3 weeks earlier.
3. You are a collector.
4. You want to give your sons matching guns for Christmas. ("Give" means
going with them to a FFL dealer and doing a face-to-face transfer, along
with all the paperwork.)
5. You bought a gun and had a problem with it. You want to replace it, but
it is already registered in your name. In this case, you are going to end
up with one gun, but it requires buying two within one month, and selling
one during the same month.
6. Your only CCW gun has a problem requiring it to be returned for factory
repair. You have just bought a gun for non-CCW use, and you want to buy a
2nd CCW gun.
7. You took up "Cowboy" shooting as a hobby, and you don't own any old
style revolvers.
etc, etc. etc.


"robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:fNqdnaM1RKk0jDTanZ2dnUVZ_hSdnZ2d@comcast.com...
> Why would you need more than one handgun a month?
>
>
> "Scout" <me4guns@verizon.removeme.this2.nospam.net> wrote in message
> news:c08qj.17898$qI.11743@trnddc03...
>>
>> "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net> wrote in message
>> news:mfCdnSRFN6IOmjTanZ2dnUVZ_u-dnZ2d@comcast.com...
>> > Why would you need more than one handgun a month?
>>
>> What do you care? Are you opposed to lawful citizens buying guns????
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> > news:Sv7qj.91821$K27.17737@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>> >> robw wrote:
>> >> > Are you a criminal or an honest and responsible gun owner?
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> If a criminal, then it's illegal for me to possess a firearm.
>> >>
>> >> If a honest and responsible gun owner, then why does it matter how
>> >> many
>> >> handguns I purchase withing a month?
>> >>
>> >> What's your point?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> > "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> >> > news:6V5qj.76727$N67.65466@bignews5.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >> robw wrote:
>> >> >>> If you don't have a gun to shoot me, you can't shoot me.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >> But I thought you weren't advocating gun bans--or is your true
> agenda
>> >> >> showing through?
>> >> >>
>> >> >>> "Magus" <nope@noway.net> wrote in message
>> >> >>> news:H84qj.60984$k27.17298@bignews2.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >>>> robw wrote:
>> >> >>>>> Hint: we want to stop those felonies.
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>>>
>> >> >>>> That's the same thing the people who passed the law creating the
>> >> >>>> felonies to begin with wanted to do--stop a behavior.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>> You're not going to change a behavior pattern by making something
>> > that
>> >> >>>> already illegal even illegaler.
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >>>>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>