Here Comes the Nanny State Period

ImWithStupid

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Last year the "Progressives" (socialists) in California tried to pass a law that allowed the government to remotely control the themostats in people's homes...

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/01/11/us/11control.html

Now the "Progressive" (socialist) Governor of New York wants to put a "sin tax" on soda pop...

Governor Paterson proposes 'Obesity Tax,' a tax on non-diet sodas
BY GLENN BLAIN and KENNETH LOVETT

DAILY NEWS ALBANY BUREAU

Sunday, December 14th 2008, 11:37 PM

ALBANY - A can of Coke could soon cost New Yorkers more than just calories.

Gov. Paterson, as part of a $121 billion budget to be unveiled Tuesday, will propose an "obesity tax" of about 15% on nondiet drinks.

This means a Diet Coke might sell for a $1 - even as the same size bottle of its calorie-rich alter ego would go for $1.15.
Governor Paterson proposes 'Obesity Tax,' a tax on non-diet sodas

I wonder what we will be punished for chosing to consume next when national universal health care happens?

 

Anna Perenna

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Now the <mindless propaganda deleted> Governor of New York wants to put a "sin tax" on soda pop...
I wonder what we will be punished for choosing to consume next when national universal health care happens?
I actually agree with this. If you have free national health care then you should be made to look after yourself.

The thoughtlessly obese masses of America should be made to stop and think before stuffing their bodies with **** to the point where they become a burden on the country.

In the same vein, people who smoke cigarettes should be made to pay a large tax so that when they develop lung cancer, their "free" treatment is somewhat deserved.

 

ImWithStupid

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I actually agree with this. If you have free national health care then you should be made to look after yourself.
The thoughtlessly obese masses of America should be made to stop and think before stuffing their bodies with **** to the point where they become a burden on the country.

In the same vein, people who smoke cigarettes should be made to pay a large tax so that when they develop lung cancer, their "free" treatment is somewhat deserved.
You would.

Your love of government control of personal freedom aside. How about the millions of people who still have their own health care, as the government stuff is to cover those who can't afford it? They get punished, and have to pay more taxes on top of the taxes they already have to pay for the health care of those who don't pay taxes in the first place.

The people on universal healthcare are the burden, not the working folk who pay their way.

I remember these types of ideas. They were called the National Socialist Party in Germany and the National Facist Party in Italy. They were praised and heralded for their "reforms" and "progressive" movements toward government deciding what was best for the people too. :rolleyes:

 

Anna Perenna

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You would.
<fantasy deleted>. How about the millions of people who still have their own health care, as the government stuff is to cover those who can't afford it? They get punished, and have to pay more taxes on top of the taxes they already have to pay for the health care of those who don't pay taxes in the first place.

The people on universal healthcare are the burden, not the working folk who pay their way.

I remember these types of ideas. <boring unnecessary history deleted>
Soda pop is ****. The only thing that's going to happen to you when you drink it is ... you feel like ****.

Everyone should get free health care, and all these evil HMOs and unnecessary pharmaceutical corporations should be phased out.

The tax on **** would help relieve the burden on ordinary taxpayers who are good enough not to fill themselves with .... ****.

 

ImWithStupid

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Soda pop is ****. The only thing that's going to happen to you when you drink it is ... you feel like **** <opinion>.
Everyone should get free health care <opinion that many argue leads to substandard treatment due to lack of resources as in countries like the UK, Canada and France>, and all these <boring unnecessary adjective> HMOs and unnecessary pharmaceutical corporations <that incidentally have developed nearly all of the benficial medicines that the world uses to save lives and improve the quality of life of sick people> should be phased out.

The tax on **** would help relieve the burden on ordinary taxpayers who are good enough not to fill themselves with .... ****.
And those that are skinny and healthy that want a soda need to be punished with taxes, and those that want to eat red meat should be taxed, and those that want to eat shellfish or poultry should be taxed because of the increased chance of illness due to spoilage, and those who drive small cars should be taxed because they are more likely to be injured in a crash and that would add to medical costs, and anyone who works in jobs like cops, firemen, high voltage electricians, etc... that are more dangerous should be taxed extra because they are more likely to incur medical costs, and anyone who goes out in the sun, or works outdoors in the sun should be taxed higher because of the risks of skin cancer and subsequent cost, or anyone who ... :rolleyes:

 

atlantic

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The people on universal healthcare are the burden, not the working folk who pay their way.


Taxpayers already pay for so-called universal healthcare, it's called welfare. Hospitals do not turn people away, whether they can pay or not anyways.

The problem is greed in the pharmaceutical companies, coupled with not enough preventive medicine to begin with which drives medical costs through the roof.

It would be ideal if everyone could work; Although could you imagine the gridlock traffic ;) However, umemployment is at an alltime high, since so many jobs have gone to other countries. Not all jobs offer affordable insurance either.

Universal is the way to go. Taxes to stave off diabetes in children already borderline fine by me.

I have to agree with the heat control thing too. My last apt was never under 86 degrees because of the older woman who lived downstairs from me. We had heat included with the rent. So she kept it on 365 days a year. She did it to stick it to the landlord, who was an awesome guy.

He told me that for his units last year alone, he paid over $50,000.00 in heating costs. Which I know could have been avoided if most of his tenants closed the **** windows or threw on some slippers and a **** sweater.
 

ImWithStupid

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The people on universal healthcare are the burden' date=' not the working folk who pay their way.[/quote']

Taxpayers already pay for so-called universal healthcare, it's called welfare. Hospitals do not turn people away, whether they can pay or not anyways.

The problem is greed in the pharmaceutical companies, coupled with not enough preventive medicine to begin with which drives medical costs through the roof..
So, we should expand the amount of people who get free health care on the backs of those who pay taxes?

You also want to punish the companies that develop the medicines that cure the sick and save lives. It costs a lot of money for R&D for drugs, and they don't have a very long time to recoup these expenses before the drugs are made available to be copied and sold by other companies as generics.

It would be ideal if everyone could work; Although could you imagine the gridlock traffic ;) However, umemployment is at an alltime high, since so many jobs have gone to other countries. Not all jobs offer affordable insurance either.
Unemployment rates are not at an alltime high, that's just the how the panic spreading media wants to make it seem. They are lower now (6.7) than they were in 1992 at nearly 8%, and way lower than they were in 1982 where it was close to 10%.

Universal is the way to go. Taxes to stave off diabetes in children already borderline fine by me..
Not really sure what you mean here, but as for government provided health care, it's a big reason that New York is broke and asking for money from Congress and it didn't work very well for Hawaii either. They just made it apply to children and had to repeal and cancel the program in 7 months because it caused the state to go broke.

I have to agree with the heat control thing too. My last apt was never under 86 degrees because of the older woman who lived downstairs from me. We had heat included with the rent. So she kept it on 365 days a year. She did it to stick it to the landlord, who was an awesome guy.
He told me that for his units last year alone, he paid over $50,000.00 in heating costs. Which I know could have been avoided if most of his tenants closed the **** windows or threw on some slippers and a **** sweater.
So you're saying that because your landlord chose to include the heating cost into the rent the government should control everyones thermostat. Wouldn't a better solution be for the landlord to quit whining about the problem and make the tenants pay the heat bill?

I think that if I pay the **** bill, I should be able to decide where it's set.

If I understand you right, you are arguing that the government should control people's thermostats because some people who didn't have to pay their heat bill abused the system.

What do you suppose people who don't have to pay their medical bills will do? Furthermore, do you really want the government deciding if you get treatment or not?
 

atlantic

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IWS I have more faith in our government than you I suppose.

To answer your ? yes. I would prefer a child get care before a 90+ year old who keeps getting brought back to life to sit in a nursing home.

I would also prefer that people on welfare get drug tested randomly (to keep costs down) before receiving a free handout.

You may be right about the unemployment stats, but is that based on the same amount of people that were in this country at that time?

My old landlord is probably going to do that, of course he'll have to come down on the rent because it is outrageously high.

As far as the heat thing. I believe people are not conserving enough.

 

eddo

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IWS I have more faith in our government than you I suppose.

Really? Why?

Look at all the Gov't has screwed up thus far:

Welfare (let abuse run rampant)

the war in Iraq (poor planning from the get go)

the mortgage crisis (pushing to get people that shouldn't own homes to get those homes)

No child left behind (good intentions, bad idea)

this $700 Billion bailout

our economy

many more examples could be included.

What leads you to think those in charge of the gov't will get healthcare right? (and I am not just talking about the President and his staff- congress, senate, local governments, etc, etc, etc are all included in that)

America needs more personal responsibility and less government involvement- not the other way around.

period.

 

atlantic

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Really? Why?

Look at all the Gov't has screwed up thus far:

Welfare (let abuse run rampant)

the war in Iraq (poor planning from the get go)

the mortgage crisis (pushing to get people that shouldn't own homes to get those homes)

No child left behind (good intentions, bad idea)

this $700 Billion bailout

our economy

many more examples could be included.

What leads you to think those in charge of the gov't will get healthcare right? (and I am not just talking about the President and his staff- congress, senate, local governments, etc, etc, etc are all included in that)

America needs more personal responsibility and less government involvement- not the other way around.

period.
You are right about past government. I do believe Obama will do a much better job than has been done in the past.
 

ImWithStupid

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Really? Why?

Look at all the Gov't has screwed up thus far:

Welfare (let abuse run rampant)

the war in Iraq (poor planning from the get go)

the mortgage crisis (pushing to get people that shouldn't own homes to get those homes)

No child left behind (good intentions, bad idea)

this $700 Billion bailout

our economy

many more examples could be included.
...medicare/medicade ($300 million in known medicare fraud in 2006 alone)

social security (bankrupt because the money was spent)

 

ImWithStupid

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Being that I don't know jack about medicare, I'll have to research it ;) Thanks for the info.

Here's some info in a past post of mine...

http://Off Topic Forum.com/on-topic-bs/26334-us-government-takes-of-fnma-fmac-2.html#post69106

sorry about my misquote on the $300 million in fraud, it's actually a conservative estimate of $2.8 BILLION in improper spending in 2006 alone.

 

atlantic

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Here's some info in a past post of mine...
http://Off Topic Forum.com/on-topic-bs/26334-us-government-takes-of-fnma-fmac-2.html#post69106

sorry about my misquote on the $300 million in fraud, it's actually a conservative estimate of $2.8 BILLION in improper spending in 2006 alone.
Well that was a depressing read. Seems not too many people are honest anymore :(
 

ImWithStupid

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Well that was a depressing read. Seems not too many people are honest anymore :(
Here's the part the I couldn't believe that showed how out of control it is...

For example, a Florida businessman was sentenced last year to 37 months in prison for submitting more than $5.5 million of fake claims to Medicare. The businessman operated for months, despite giving the agency an address that was actually a utility closet.
I read that he submitted over 100,000 fraudulant claims before they looked into him. :confused:

 

Anna Perenna

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And those that are skinny and healthy that want a soda need to be punished with taxes, and those that want to eat red meat should be taxed, and those that want to eat shellfish or poultry should be taxed because of the increased chance of illness due to spoilage, and those who drive small cars should be taxed because they are more likely to be injured in a crash and that would add to medical costs, and anyone who works in jobs like cops, firemen, high voltage electricians, etc... that are more dangerous should be taxed extra because they are more likely to incur medical costs, and anyone who goes out in the sun, or works outdoors in the sun should be taxed higher because of the risks of skin cancer and subsequent cost, or anyone who ... :rolleyes:
Gee, your eye roll emoticon has really made me doubt myself!

It's a small tax on worthless ****. It's not the boogey-man you're trying to make it out to be.

 
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