Hugo VS. KVH: A Battle of Socio-Political and Economic Idealogies

[TheJenn88]

Ugh. This could have been a good thread and here comes phreak ruining it with the stupid idiotbox ****. Derailer.

Just teasin'

 

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

Since that goon Hugo hasn't replied yet...
The thing was, eisan was asking you to defend marx's ideal system.

Ideal. Throughout history communism has abysmally failed. People have taken communism from its true form, and mutated it because they were they were the ultimate - the dictator. Anyone may start off with good intentions. ****, I think communism is a pretty good idea, but only in its ideal state. The fault lies not in the system, but in the people. With that much power, and millions of people bowing at the point of your finger because you're a dictator, the power would get to ANYONE's head. It doesn't matter who you are. If you had millions of people, an entire economy, and lavishes in your very grasp, you'd be willing to let them go after the country stabilizes itself? Because in communism, in its true form, the dictatorship will ideally have dissolved.


Earth has never actually seen a communist government, because at no point in history (that I know of), has there been a dictatorship that has willingly dissolved. Sure, the people could try and overthrow the dictator, but there's two flaws, a) a new leader would probably arise from the rebellion because society would need a new figurehead to help re-stabilize. It's just natural progression to have someone lead/organize a rebellion, and even more natural for them to assume complete leadship again (thus, going byebye of communism) b) the dictator would already have the country under control in such a fashion that he'd have his own brainwashed military to save him.

Here we ******* go again. FOR THE LAST TIME THERE IS NO GRAND PUBAH/SUPREME SOVIET/DICTATOR in a communist society! Hence the term COMMUNIST which is derived from the word COMMUNAL.

- try putting North America into a democratic state. How many people would work from the good of their heart to make an effort to be a doctor when they are paid as much as a garbage man? Where is the motivation to better oneself if there are no rewards? The Western World has learnt that for hard work, you get a cookie, and for lazy work, you get a welfare check.

Yea sure there are obvious flaws when a doctor makes as much as a garbage man, but what the **** do you call some CEO who gets paid a six figure income to go to golf parties at the company's country club and to occasionally show up at meetings while people who actually WORK are starving? Where is the rewards for the people who are actually WORKING? And what about some bimbo/himbo who chases a ******* ball, plays let's pretend or lipsynchs for living make more than a doctor or another worker who's job is a nessicity to society (and requires a lot more knowledge and hard work). I call this a SOCIAL INJUSTICE.

- people have naturally evolved with a socio-economic ladder to guide them. Though most people will claim that it "sucks", how many people actually think they could thrive with no competition? No variation?
- experiences will be limited to that which the society will allow/provide. It won't provide the same opportunities.

- the economy will be at a standstill and non-comparable to the rest of the world economy. Because things are mass controlled, they will not be good enough to compete, their technologies will be behind. There's no free market for competition to better what is available, so everything has to come from a government-controlled, non-experimental environment.

Funny how many high profile corporations who clawed their way to the top manufacture **** to cut corners and keep more money. It has nothing to do with competition it's to do with what kind of **** the people are suckers to buy--and who manufactures the most of it and who can push their ****** product the best.

Basically, with what you're given in today's world, you can't make communism. Not unless you forcefully and en masse breed the desire for known freedom and democracy out of people, and make them ignorant and desireless of and for the past. You'd be hard-pressed to find a big enough rebellious group to subdue an entire global population of people, because unless you have the whole world under seige, there is no way people are going to be ignorant of what else is going on in the world.

How about breeding out the desire to be a petty materialistic **** who would step over their own dying child to get their hands on a wad of cash.

 

[papabryant]

(Grabs a handful of popcorn)

crunch

Ya know crunch so far Hugo is munch munch winning munch , but it is munch interesting.

(sits back and grabs another handful of popcorn)

I need munch soda.

 

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

(Grabs a handful of popcorn)
crunch

Ya know crunch so far Hugo is munch munch winning munch , but it is munch interesting.

(sits back and grabs another handful of popcorn)

I need munch soda.

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[Lethalfind]

My apologies for not having a creditcard.
No I wasn't requesting an idiot box poll, just a poll of sorts. I figured that being the genie you are you might be willing to stick one up, the other alternative was to get builder to start this thread but I felt that would be passing on the responsability of insitgating this and any angry sentiments that may come with contesting 2 established members.

But in light of your poll options I think 72 seems like fun enough, just remember that I always edit my posts so a lack of that privledge is gonna mean posts beyond the comprehension of any respectable master of the english language.

Your reference to having a credit card, I assume this is referring to why you are not a premuim member. If I remember correctly you can pay with paypal for your member ship and all that requires is a bank account. You can also have a credit card on your paypal account but its not required.

 

[phreakwars]

Or you can also do as suggested and kiss one of the Premium's or Legacy members *** and have them make one for you, you are under NO obligation to buy a premium.

Just don't ******* ask me, my job is to edit polls for premiums if they want, not ******* start polls for you.

It's nothing personal mind you... just how things work around here.

Gotta "MODERATE" **** somehow... **** we ain't got anybody on the ban list, and no idiots for the box in almost a month.

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[TheJenn88]

Here we ******* go again. FOR THE LAST TIME THERE IS NO GRAND PUBAH/SUPREME SOVIET/DICTATOR in a communist society! Hence the term COMMUNIST which is derived from the word COMMUNAL.

#@#@%#@$@#$& There is a temporary dictatorship that will IDEALLY DISSOLVE and the people will govern themselves. Well, we've never gotten to that, have we?

Yea sure there are obvious flaws when a doctor makes as much as a garbage man, but what the **** do you call some CEO who gets paid a six figure income to go to golf parties at the company's country club and to occasionally show up at meetings while people who actually WORK are starving? Where is the rewards for the people who are actually WORKING? And what about some bimbo/himbo who chases a ******* ball, plays let's pretend or lipsynchs for living make more than a doctor or another worker who's job is a nessicity to society (and requires a lot more knowledge and hard work). I call this a SOCIAL INJUSTICE.

You call it social injustice? I call it variation, and the problem isn't with the people who their job. It's the people who sponsor it and pay for it. Ashlee simpson isn't rich because she doesn't have an audience.

I believe everyone has the power to make something of themselves, no matter what they are given. I guess it just ******* sucks that some people have to work for a living, but you know what? How many of those rich CEOs do you actually think are really happy? MONEY doesn't buy them a life or happiness.

How about breeding out the desire to be a petty materialistic **** who would step over their own dying child to get their hands on a wad of cash.

I believe that was the point I was making. But you can't do that unless you force it. And it would take so long, and have to be done so grandly and en masse - which brings me back to my point of it being purely ideal.

Ya'll would fail friggen high school essays if you can't answer the question at hand. I addressed the question: explain why it isn't ideal. Your job would be to explain how it is possible, and why it is very possible, and not just an "idea."

So do that. You talk about how wonderful it would be for everyone to be equal. Well, no ****. I bet a lot of people from different walks of life say that. What's so great about communism? Devise an actual plausible plan to implement this. Can you? I've never actually seen you defend your position other than speak of the ideals of communism.

 

[TheJenn88]

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Then what the **** are you doing posting in this thread if you don't care about what we have to say? Furthermore, if you REALLY are sure we're not going to change your mind, then don't try changing ours or preaching your bullshit.

 

[Lethalfind]

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AHHHHHH...to be young and know EVERYTHING...

 

[hugo]

Well there's some common ground but I'm a communial anarchist, I say the market and private property have to go as well.

Eliminating private property requires coercion...i.e. government.

 

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

I normally can't stand "Eyes In ****", but this time he made perfect sense, I had to vote for a stay... **** my conscience!

 

[phreakwars]

****, and that closes the poll with the 5 person vote.. another day eyesinbutt...the box has your name written on it.....

Hmm.... I'll find me someone to idiot box yet.... I'm sure cool_dude will be on sometime this week.

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[eisanbt]

How nice, especially where I myself voted for the 72hours. GF, you're such sweeties.

 

[phreakwars]

How nice, especially where I myself voted for the 72hours. GF, you're such sweeties.

Call that a win for democracy you commie and capitolist bastards !!!

Who says GF is unfair ?? Not I.

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[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

#@#@%#@$@#$& There is a temporary dictatorship that will IDEALLY DISSOLVE and the people will govern themselves. Well, we've never gotten to that, have we?


You call it social injustice? I call it variation, and the problem isn't with the people who their job. It's the people who sponsor it and pay for it. Ashlee simpson isn't rich because she doesn't have an audience.

I believe everyone has the power to make something of themselves, no matter what they are given. I guess it just ******* sucks that some people have to work for a living, but you know what? How many of those rich CEOs do you actually think are really happy? MONEY doesn't buy them a life or happiness.

Well no **** they aren't happy. Rich ********* have the tendency to recieve a fortune in diamonds on a gold plate and still find something to ***** about. Why because they're GREEDY. They want more and more and will never be fufilled. And no Ashhole isn't rich because she doesn't have an audience, she's rich because some corporate fat cat pushed her like the product she is and the public, being the drones they are bought the **** out of it.

I believe that was the point I was making. But you can't do that unless you force it. And it would take so long, and have to be done so grandly and en masse - which brings me back to my point of it being purely ideal.
Ya'll would fail friggen high school essays if you can't answer the question at hand. I addressed the question: explain why it isn't ideal. Your job would be to explain how it is possible, and why it is very possible, and not just an "idea."

So do that. You talk about how wonderful it would be for everyone to be equal. Well, no ****. I bet a lot of people from different walks of life say that. What's so great about communism? Devise an actual plausible plan to implement this. Can you? I've never actually seen you defend your position other than speak of the ideals of communism.

Fail highschool Essays? I ******* graduated back in 2002. And if I had a way to implement a political system I'd be running for public office instead of ******* around on the internet. And I do recall saying how it's possible. Please refer to the top of the thread. As for defending it. ME TALKING UP THOSE IDEALS THAT I BELIEVE IN IS MY DEFENCE YOU STUPID ******* SHITSTAIN.

Then what the **** are you doing posting in this thread if you don't care about what we have to say? Furthermore, if you REALLY are sure we're not going to change your mind, then don't try changing ours or preaching your bullshit.

That's right I don't give a **** about what you have to say. You're 17 and lack a *****. Therefore I consider you to be a non-human. A social parasite. What you have to say to me doesn't mean ****. And I'm not trying to change your mind. I don't give a **** about you being in some ****** up money-worshipping CULT for spoiled snot nosed overachievers who can't be assed to get off their high horse. I'm just going to continue to believe my beliefs and talk them up (ie: defend them). What I have to say is bullshit? Well what the **** do you call the drivel that you smear across here on a regular basis?

 

[TheJenn88]

Fail highschool Essays? I ******* graduated back in 2002.

Yes, well, the point I was making wasn't directed at whether you graduated or not, and when. It was merely that I just don't think you did a good enough job to really convince me (and I'm open to being convinced, since I do think that communism itself is a decent idea) that communism is practical and attainable. But then again, apparently, though you post your dribble, you don't actually care to preach it.

That's right I don't give a **** about what you have to say. You're 17 and lack a *****. Therefore I consider you to be a non-human. A social parasite. What you have to say to me doesn't mean ****. And I'm not trying to change your mind. I don't give a **** about you being in some ****** up money-worshipping CULT for spoiled snot nosed overachievers who can't be assed to get off their high horse. I'm just going to continue to believe my beliefs and talk them up (ie: defend them). What I have to say is bullshit? Well what the **** do you call the drivel that you smear across here on a regular basis?

Aw, you're so cute. Like a little baby, you know? You just laugh at the incredibly stupid things they say - and like a mother - you just wanna pinch their cheeks because they have so much growing up to do.

Cute.

 

[TheJenn88]

On second thought....

You seem to be having problems. I'm concerned.

Do you need some of this

instead of this?

 

[Komrade Vostok Hazard]

******** at me to grow up and yet you link to ******* gay **** sites? ******* hypocrite.

you know? You just laugh at the incredibly stupid things they say

Actually the things I said make perfect sense. Just not to you because you're such a braindead ****. Or maybe you just have your head up your ***. I'm leaning towards the idea tha you have your head up your *** especially after you said that I didn't make a good enough statement on how it was practical and attainable. Pay attention dipshit

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As you can see. It's very plain and simple. And if you ask how I plan on carrying this out, Once again: If I had the resources, charisma, knowledge and all that other bullshit required to create a society.....I'd get off the net and start campaigning, plotting a revolution, etc. And as far as me not caring preaching it enough is concerned: Weren't you already ******** about how I "preach my bullshit" on here? Oh and also note that it's my belief. NOT MY OBSESSION. I'm not a ******* bible thumper (or ultra-leftist equivalent thereof)

 

[TheJenn88]

******** at me to grow up and yet you link to ******* gay **** sites? ******* hypocrite.

Actually the things I said make perfect sense. Just not to you because you're such a braindead ****. Or maybe you just have your head up your ***. I'm leaning towards the idea tha you have your head up your *** especially after you said that I didn't make a good enough statement on how it was practical and attainable. Pay attention dipshit

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As you can see. It's very plain and simple. And if you ask how I plan on carrying this out, Once again: If I had the resources, charisma, knowledge and all that other bullshit required to create a society.....I'd get off the net and start campaigning, plotting a revolution, etc. And as far as me not caring preaching it enough is concerned: Weren't you already ******** about how I "preach my bullshit" on here? Oh and also note that it's my belief. NOT MY OBSESSION. I'm not a ******* bible thumper (or ultra-leftist equivalent thereof)

Oh, okay. My sincere apologies. I wasn't aware that what you said was a good explanation (in all seriousness, though, I was hoping you'd come up with more, because communism is an interesting thing to study).

I think you should lighten up a wee tad. I'm just poking fun at you because ... well... the same reason hugo would. It's just not that possible to have communism.

 

[Mohammed_Rots_In_Hell]

... You're 17 and lack a *****. Therefore I consider you to be a non-human. A social parasite...

Komrade, you are a hypocritical fascist roaming about in communist clothing.