More on Clinton's Pardons

"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
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> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If you
> are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you, then you
> are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.

Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.

We win.

> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>
>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line his
>> pocket and
>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and I'll
>> be glad to
>> comment....AAC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your being
>>>a
>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>hurts
>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>ex-presidents.
>>>
>>>G
>
>
 
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If you
> are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you, then you
> are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.

Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.

We win.

> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>
>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line his
>> pocket and
>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and I'll
>> be glad to
>> comment....AAC
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your being
>>>a
>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>hurts
>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>ex-presidents.
>>>
>>>G
>
>
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:sRhGi.90991$jH3.64899@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46e9a7ed$0$16468$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> Hillary Clinton.
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton.
>>>
>>> Two different people.
>>
>> Aww.. Running from Bill now are we?
>
> Aww.. Think they're the same person now?

Better run, Roger Dodger!

Yeeee! Haaaa!

>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>
>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>
>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>> carnival operator
>>>> has been settled.
>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>> the bankrupt
>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of whom
>>>> received a
>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>
>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>> reached a
>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>> were not
>>>> disclosed.
>>>>
>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it was
>>>> a loan.
>>>>
>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>> President Clinton
>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>> of America, a
>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>
>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>> he said
>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits of
>>>> their case.
>>>>
>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>> Committee on
>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>> undocumented
>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>> pardons solely
>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not paid
>>>> for his help
>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>
>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>> successful efforts
>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>> laundering and a
>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned the
>>>> money at his
>>>> sister's request.
>>>>
>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>> people, including
>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>> rather than face
>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>
>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>> Clinton
>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and
>>>> at least
>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision to
>>>> commute the
>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said her
>>>> husband's
>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon power,
>>>> and none was
>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:46ea2702$0$16506$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:sRhGi.90991$jH3.64899@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Roger" <rogerfx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:46e9a7ed$0$16468$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
>>
>>> Hillary Clinton.
>>>
>>> Bill Clinton.
>>>
>>> Two different people.
>>
>> Aww.. Running from Bill now are we?
>
> Aww.. Think they're the same person now?

Better run, Roger Dodger!

Yeeee! Haaaa!

>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>
>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>
>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>> carnival operator
>>>> has been settled.
>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>> the bankrupt
>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of whom
>>>> received a
>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>
>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>> reached a
>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>> were not
>>>> disclosed.
>>>>
>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it was
>>>> a loan.
>>>>
>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>> President Clinton
>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>> of America, a
>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>
>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>> he said
>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits of
>>>> their case.
>>>>
>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>> Committee on
>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>> undocumented
>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>> pardons solely
>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not paid
>>>> for his help
>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>
>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>> successful efforts
>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>> laundering and a
>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned the
>>>> money at his
>>>> sister's request.
>>>>
>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>> people, including
>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>> rather than face
>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>
>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>> Clinton
>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and
>>>> at least
>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>
>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision to
>>>> commute the
>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said her
>>>> husband's
>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon power,
>>>> and none was
>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
I am still not going to do your homework for you. If you were serious you
would take the time to look it up.

G

"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13ek23k4iouihc0@corp.supernews.com...
>> Mike, not interested in a serious conversation, huh?
>
> Sure. Know of one?
>
>> Or is it that you already know that for every questionable
>
> "questionable" when a democrat is doing the asking of course.
>
>> pardon that President Clinton gave there were three questionable
>
> Oops.. There's that ambiguous word again..
>
>> pardons given by president Reagan and that in only four years president
>> Bush 41 let more questionable
>
> Uh oh.. And again.
>
> I say Clinton gave more pardons that were questionable. Therefore it is
> so. See how it works Lutz? Maybe you should "question" the validity of
> stupid arguments the DNC places in your gullible little mind before you
> parrot them and make yourself look foolish.
>
>> criminals be pardoned than president Clinton did in eight years.
>
> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>
>
>
>
>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:FFhGi.90983$jH3.29158@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13ej4sh3kiougfe@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>> pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>> being a partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The
>>>> truth hurts the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around
>>>> their ex-presidents.
>>>
>>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>>
>>>
>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>>
>>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>>
>>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>>> carnival operator
>>>>> has been settled.
>>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>>> the bankrupt
>>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of whom
>>>>> received a
>>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>>> reached a
>>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>>> were not
>>>>> disclosed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it
>>>>> was a loan.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>>> President Clinton
>>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>>> of America, a
>>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>>> he said
>>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits of
>>>>> their case.
>>>>>
>>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>>> Committee on
>>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>>> undocumented
>>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>>> pardons solely
>>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not paid
>>>>> for his help
>>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>>> successful efforts
>>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>>> laundering and a
>>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned
>>>>> the money at his
>>>>> sister's request.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>>> people, including
>>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>>> rather than face
>>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>>> Clinton
>>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and
>>>>> at least
>>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision to
>>>>> commute the
>>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said her
>>>>> husband's
>>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon power,
>>>>> and none was
>>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
I am still not going to do your homework for you. If you were serious you
would take the time to look it up.

G

"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
news:qxzGi.66137$Lu.7800@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13ek23k4iouihc0@corp.supernews.com...
>> Mike, not interested in a serious conversation, huh?
>
> Sure. Know of one?
>
>> Or is it that you already know that for every questionable
>
> "questionable" when a democrat is doing the asking of course.
>
>> pardon that President Clinton gave there were three questionable
>
> Oops.. There's that ambiguous word again..
>
>> pardons given by president Reagan and that in only four years president
>> Bush 41 let more questionable
>
> Uh oh.. And again.
>
> I say Clinton gave more pardons that were questionable. Therefore it is
> so. See how it works Lutz? Maybe you should "question" the validity of
> stupid arguments the DNC places in your gullible little mind before you
> parrot them and make yourself look foolish.
>
>> criminals be pardoned than president Clinton did in eight years.
>
> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>
>
>
>
>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:FFhGi.90983$jH3.29158@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13ej4sh3kiougfe@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>> pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>> being a partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The
>>>> truth hurts the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around
>>>> their ex-presidents.
>>>
>>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>>
>>>
>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>>
>>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>>
>>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>>> carnival operator
>>>>> has been settled.
>>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>>> the bankrupt
>>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of whom
>>>>> received a
>>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>>
>>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>>> reached a
>>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>>> were not
>>>>> disclosed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it
>>>>> was a loan.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>>> President Clinton
>>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>>> of America, a
>>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>>> he said
>>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits of
>>>>> their case.
>>>>>
>>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>>> Committee on
>>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>>> undocumented
>>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>>> pardons solely
>>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not paid
>>>>> for his help
>>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>>
>>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>>> successful efforts
>>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>>> laundering and a
>>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned
>>>>> the money at his
>>>>> sister's request.
>>>>>
>>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>>> people, including
>>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>>> rather than face
>>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>>
>>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>>> Clinton
>>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party and
>>>>> at least
>>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>>
>>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision to
>>>>> commute the
>>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said her
>>>>> husband's
>>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon power,
>>>>> and none was
>>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and uninformed.
Congratulations for leading that pack.

G

"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.
>
> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>
> We win.
>
>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line his
>>> pocket and
>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and I'll
>>> be glad to
>>> comment....AAC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>being a
>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>hurts
>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>
>>>>G
>>
>>
>
>
 
Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and uninformed.
Congratulations for leading that pack.

G

"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.
>
> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>
> We win.
>
>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>
>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line his
>>> pocket and
>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and I'll
>>> be glad to
>>> comment....AAC
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>being a
>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>hurts
>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>
>>>>G
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
news:13elodlk6hkr29f@corp.supernews.com...
>I am still not going to do your homework for you. If you were serious you
>would take the time to look it up.

I did look it up. And I determined that Clinton issued more "questionable"
pardons than any president.

Therefore, it is so.

Next?


> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:qxzGi.66137$Lu.7800@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>> news:13ek23k4iouihc0@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Mike, not interested in a serious conversation, huh?
>>
>> Sure. Know of one?
>>
>>> Or is it that you already know that for every questionable
>>
>> "questionable" when a democrat is doing the asking of course.
>>
>>> pardon that President Clinton gave there were three questionable
>>
>> Oops.. There's that ambiguous word again..
>>
>>> pardons given by president Reagan and that in only four years president
>>> Bush 41 let more questionable
>>
>> Uh oh.. And again.
>>
>> I say Clinton gave more pardons that were questionable. Therefore it is
>> so. See how it works Lutz? Maybe you should "question" the validity of
>> stupid arguments the DNC places in your gullible little mind before you
>> parrot them and make yourself look foolish.
>>
>>> criminals be pardoned than president Clinton did in eight years.
>>
>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>>> news:FFhGi.90983$jH3.29158@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:13ej4sh3kiougfe@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>> pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>> being a partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The
>>>>> truth hurts the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around
>>>>> their ex-presidents.
>>>>
>>>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>>>> carnival operator
>>>>>> has been settled.
>>>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>>>> the bankrupt
>>>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of
>>>>>> whom received a
>>>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>>>> reached a
>>>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>>>> were not
>>>>>> disclosed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it
>>>>>> was a loan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>>>> President Clinton
>>>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>>>> of America, a
>>>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>>>> he said
>>>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits
>>>>>> of their case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>>>> Committee on
>>>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>>>> undocumented
>>>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>>>> pardons solely
>>>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not
>>>>>> paid for his help
>>>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>>>> successful efforts
>>>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>>>> laundering and a
>>>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned
>>>>>> the money at his
>>>>>> sister's request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>>>> people, including
>>>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>>>> rather than face
>>>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party
>>>>>> and at least
>>>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision
>>>>>> to commute the
>>>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said
>>>>>> her husband's
>>>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon
>>>>>> power, and none was
>>>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
news:13elodlk6hkr29f@corp.supernews.com...
>I am still not going to do your homework for you. If you were serious you
>would take the time to look it up.

I did look it up. And I determined that Clinton issued more "questionable"
pardons than any president.

Therefore, it is so.

Next?


> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:qxzGi.66137$Lu.7800@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>> news:13ek23k4iouihc0@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Mike, not interested in a serious conversation, huh?
>>
>> Sure. Know of one?
>>
>>> Or is it that you already know that for every questionable
>>
>> "questionable" when a democrat is doing the asking of course.
>>
>>> pardon that President Clinton gave there were three questionable
>>
>> Oops.. There's that ambiguous word again..
>>
>>> pardons given by president Reagan and that in only four years president
>>> Bush 41 let more questionable
>>
>> Uh oh.. And again.
>>
>> I say Clinton gave more pardons that were questionable. Therefore it is
>> so. See how it works Lutz? Maybe you should "question" the validity of
>> stupid arguments the DNC places in your gullible little mind before you
>> parrot them and make yourself look foolish.
>>
>>> criminals be pardoned than president Clinton did in eight years.
>>
>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>>> news:FFhGi.90983$jH3.29158@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
>>>>
>>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:13ej4sh3kiougfe@corp.supernews.com...
>>>>> Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>> pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>> being a partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The
>>>>> truth hurts the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around
>>>>> their ex-presidents.
>>>>
>>>> Well yeah.. Clinton is a crook... but but but but...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>>> news:7j0je3l8bv8turfjup7jkcvkcomrc416v7@4ax.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Clinton's Brother Settles Debt Suit
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sep 13 11:43 AM US/Eastern
>>>>>> By TRAVIS LOLLER
>>>>>> Associated Press Writer
>>>>>>
>>>>>> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (AP) - A lawsuit accusing Democratic presidential
>>>>>> candidate Hillary
>>>>>> Rodham Clinton's brother of failing to repay debts to a Tennessee
>>>>>> carnival operator
>>>>>> has been settled.
>>>>>> Tony Rodham was accused of failing to repay $107,000 plus interest to
>>>>>> the bankrupt
>>>>>> estate of Edgar Allen Gregory Jr. and his wife, Vonna Jo, both of
>>>>>> whom received a
>>>>>> presidential pardon in 2000.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The case was scheduled to go to trial on Thursday, but the parties
>>>>>> reached a
>>>>>> settlement agreement, said Rodham attorney Samuel Crocker. The terms
>>>>>> were not
>>>>>> disclosed.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodham had claimed in court documents the money he received from the
>>>>>> Gregorys was for
>>>>>> consulting services, but the trustee for the Gregory estate said it
>>>>>> was a loan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The Gregorys received pardons for a bank fraud conviction from
>>>>>> President Clinton
>>>>>> about two years after Rodham became a paid consultant to United Shows
>>>>>> of America, a
>>>>>> carnival business the couple owned.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rodham has said he talked to his brother-in-law about the pardon, but
>>>>>> he said
>>>>>> President Clinton made the decision to grant clemency on the merits
>>>>>> of their case.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> After President Clinton left office, the Republican-controlled House
>>>>>> Committee on
>>>>>> Government Reform found that United Shows paid Rodham $240,000 for
>>>>>> undocumented
>>>>>> consulting services and that President Clinton was interested in the
>>>>>> pardons solely
>>>>>> because of his contacts with Rodham.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, a New York senator, has said her brother was not
>>>>>> paid for his help
>>>>>> with the Gregorys' pardon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Another brother, Hugh Rodham, was paid more than $400,000 for his
>>>>>> successful efforts
>>>>>> to win pardons for a businessman under investigation for money
>>>>>> laundering and a
>>>>>> commutation for a convicted drug trafficker. He eventually returned
>>>>>> the money at his
>>>>>> sister's request.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the closing hours of his presidency, Bill Clinton pardoned 140
>>>>>> people, including
>>>>>> billionaire financier Marc Rich, who fled the United States in 1983
>>>>>> rather than face
>>>>>> charges of tax evasion, fraud and making illegal oil deals with Iran.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Rich's ex-wife, songwriter Denise Rich, contributed $450,000 to the
>>>>>> Clinton
>>>>>> presidential library project, $1.1 million to the Democratic Party
>>>>>> and at least
>>>>>> $109,000 to Hillary Clinton's bid for the Senate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hillary Clinton, who has been critical of President Bush's decision
>>>>>> to commute the
>>>>>> sentence of former White House aide I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby, said
>>>>>> her husband's
>>>>>> pardons were simply a routine exercise in the use of the pardon
>>>>>> power, and none was
>>>>>> aimed at protecting the Clinton presidency or legacy.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
news:13elonkj5hv520d@corp.supernews.com...
> Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and
> uninformed. Congratulations for leading that pack.

Wow! We're all that and still kicked your ass? So what does make you, Lutz?

Dumber than a sack of hammers?

> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.
>>
>> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>>
>> We win.
>>
>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line
>>>> his pocket and
>>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and
>>>> I'll be glad to
>>>> comment....AAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>>being a
>>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>>hurts
>>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>>
>>>>>G
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
"Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
news:13elonkj5hv520d@corp.supernews.com...
> Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and
> uninformed. Congratulations for leading that pack.

Wow! We're all that and still kicked your ass? So what does make you, Lutz?

Dumber than a sack of hammers?

> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
> news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>
>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken seriously.
>>
>> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>>
>> We win.
>>
>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>>
>>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line
>>>> his pocket and
>>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and
>>>> I'll be glad to
>>>> comment....AAC
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>>being a
>>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>>hurts
>>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>>
>>>>>G
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
I don't recall having my ass kicked recently and that is something I
probably would remember.

G


"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
news:GIBGi.66248$Lu.30281@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13elonkj5hv520d@corp.supernews.com...
>> Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and
>> uninformed. Congratulations for leading that pack.
>
> Wow! We're all that and still kicked your ass? So what does make you,
> Lutz?
>
> Dumber than a sack of hammers?
>
>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>>>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>>>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken
>>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>>>
>>> We win.
>>>
>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line
>>>>> his pocket and
>>>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and
>>>>> I'll be glad to
>>>>> comment....AAC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>>>being a
>>>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>>>hurts
>>>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 
I don't recall having my ass kicked recently and that is something I
probably would remember.

G


"Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
news:GIBGi.66248$Lu.30281@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>
> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
> news:13elonkj5hv520d@corp.supernews.com...
>> Yes Mike, another victory for the uneducated, uninterested, and
>> uninformed. Congratulations for leading that pack.
>
> Wow! We're all that and still kicked your ass? So what does make you,
> Lutz?
>
> Dumber than a sack of hammers?
>
>> "Mike Flannigan" <MF@yomoashouse.com> wrote in message
>> news:uCzGi.66141$Lu.48681@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>>>
>>> "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com> wrote in message
>>> news:13ek1his0fs00f9@corp.supernews.com...
>>>> Thanks, do your own homework if you are interested in the subject. If
>>>> you are unwilling to look it up yourself, as always happens with you,
>>>> then you are not interested enough in the subject to be taken
>>>> seriously.
>>>
>>> Translation: I can't answer the question or back up my own statements.
>>>
>>> We win.
>>>
>>>> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>>>> news:e00ke3tkam9e1iv44ahr0k8ujh8piago7o@4ax.com...
>>>>>
>>>>> Slick pardoned relatives, friends, influencial folks that could line
>>>>> his pocket and
>>>>> build his library. Show a listing of the Reagan and Bush, Sr., and
>>>>> I'll be glad to
>>>>> comment....AAC
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, 13 Sep 2007 12:46:56 -0700, "Gregg Luze" <Gregg@Strutz.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Now, go and explore president Reagan's pardons and president Bush 41's
>>>>>>pardons and then you may have something to discuss. But, with your
>>>>>>being a
>>>>>>partisan Republican, you would not post that information. The truth
>>>>>>hurts
>>>>>>the mystique that Republicans are trying to build around their
>>>>>>ex-presidents.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>G
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
 

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