No, not John Stewart too....

[jokersarewild]

repeatedly calling JAW "kid" isn't a personal flame?

insinuating that his age is somehow a determent to him and his intelligence/knowledge of topics is ok?

No eddo, the comment is about his behavior, not his knowledge, try to keep up.

It's still a personal flame. If I think you act like a dipshit, and ended half of my sentences in my posts calling you a dipshit, would it be a personal flame? Yes. Yes it would.

Mind you, I think you're a smart guy. Most of the time

double standards suck TJ....

Only a double standard if you try to insert something that is not there eddo, I have made it very clear my comment about him being a kid is only concerning his behavior, a 30+ year old person could still come here and behave like a child...

Like he said, TJ, double standards suck.

 

[jokersarewild]

No, I stated a fact. You took it as an insult. Boo hoo.

It is not a fact that Stewart is on the same level as the President just because you say it kid. You turned to personal attacks on me because you are still holding a massive grudge and carrying it all over the forum........acting like a......kid.

I don't hold a grudge against you. I just enjoy going against you on most things because you're normally a good fight. I rarely agree with you because of my viewpoints, although I can understand both sides of the argument and choose mine accordingly. If I had a grudge against you, I'd be far, far more insulting and troll every post you have.

I'm sure they have as many fans as Stewart too, right?

Fans? I have no idea, only kids and brain washed idiots are concerned about either group and I don't fall into that category.

Stewart is not on the same level as a real news person though, he is a comedian, nothing more, no matter how many people like his act, that does not change who he is. Let me offer you an example:

Sandra Bullock is famous and has a huge following. In the last two movies it is estimated she earned $56 million dollars. Her name is known by almost everyone around the world, but if she commented on political issues or hard news her words would mean the same as Stewart as a comedian. Just being known and having a following does not automatically mean you are good kid.

I can find John Stewart amusing while taking what he says as comedy, nothing more. Only morons take what he says as actual "news". Those people should be shot.

I understand he's a comedian. But not every comedian has a show where they pick apart political matters in such a way, however.

As far as political issues/hard news commentating, on his show, he's not to be taken seriously. In another forum, perhaps. But his show doesn't pretend to be real news.

Yes, John Stewart is less well known than the President of the US. Great point.

And less powerful, and not even on the playing field of American politics, and he is not a news reporter, Stewart is nothign compared to the President of the United States kid and that is my point about being small in comparison. Do you know what a comparison is kid?

You really are a condescending **** hole. Do know what "condescending" means, old man? I can link you an online dictionary. But would typing it in be too hard for your arthritic little fingers to handle, grandpa? Would clicking be difficult? Wanna ask the nurse to click the link after she changes your diaper? Might be a good idea.

To continue the actual debate:

If he's nothing, then why did the President of the United States go on his show? Sure, John Stewart isn't the President of the United States, but I sure as **** didn't get to interview Obama on my Fake News Show. I'm pretty sure you didn't either.

 

[jokersarewild]

Did you SERIOUSLY expect him to OVERSHADOW the host of the show he was on? Really? Why would they let that happen? John Stewart is SUPPOSED to overshadow the person he's interviewing. He's the comedian, the host has to be a "straight man" so to speak, in order for jokes to be made. It's how it works. He wasn't disrespectful, he did what he does for a living every night. Suck it up.

Yes.

Haha. HAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

Your expectations are a little off.

First of all it was stupid for Obama to enter into that arena, but if he had to he should have set the limits on how Stewart could behave. Obama is not doing the job of straight man, he is the President of the United States and Obama should respect that office more than to allow his office to be ridiculed by a nobody like Stewart. Presidents have been going to comedian shows like the late show for many years and each time the comedian shows the President enough respect to not do as Stewart just did. Why is it comedians like Lenno and Letterman could figure out how to be funny without being disrespectful but Stewart could not?

Stewart isn't a nobody. Again, if he's a nobody, why did Obama go on Stewart's show?

Also, he wasn't disrespectful. John Stewart makes fun of politics every day. He makes fun of Obama every day. Leno and Letterman are a different type of show, really. Stewart was going to ask questions that Leno and Letterman just wouldn't, because of what their show is about.

Disrespectful tone? You're so ridiculous sometimes. There was nothing about his tone that was disrespectful. Rewatch it. He wasn't disrespectful to him at all. He treated him like he would any other guest he had, and I don't know why Obama would expect to be treated any differently.

Obama is the President of the United States, he is not "any other guest" and there is a level of respect that should always be shown to the President of the United States even if you don't like him. Other Comedians have figued that out on their shows, why is it you think Stewart could not?

Except he didn't disrespect him.

I know his show is purely for comedic purposes. I understand this. Then why the f would he spare the guy he makes fun of so frequently? That would be hypocritical and wrong. "I'll talk sh t about you when you aren't near me, but I'll smile and be all nice to your face and not ask hard questions or try to call you out, because you're the President."

Most of the stuff Stewart calls him out on and calls other peopel out on is distorted for comedy kid. Stewart is a comedian, not a news reporter, you need to understand that part first. Other comedians in the past have been able to still be funny without being disrespectful.

Nope, John Stewart knows nothing of current events.

Most of the stuff Stewart calls him out on and calls other peopel out on is distorted for comedy kid.

Now, how did we go, in two years, from "Hope and Change: We are the People We've Been Looking For" to "You're not gonna give them the keys, are you?" Is it — are you disappointed in how it's gone? Are you surprised that other people — even your base — can be disappointed? Or do you reject that narrative?

Not really distorted, no. Pretty straight-forward question about a real topic.

Have you convinced your own party that the legislative progress has been enough, and how do you feel about their reaction to it?

Same thing.

 

[jokersarewild]

Is the difficulty that you have here the distance between what you ran on and what you delivered? Is that — you ran with such (if I may) "audacity" — so much of what you said was, "great leaders lead in a time of opportunity," "we're the ones we're looking for" — yet legislatively it has felt timid at times. I'm not even sure at times what you want out of a healthcare bill.

Gasp! A question about the issues! Doesn't seem disrespectful. He's saying "it seems like it's been a bit timid, what say you?"

The response:

Obama: And this is — Jon, I love your show, but —

Stewart: Very kind of you!

Obama: — but this is something where, you know, I have a profound disagreement with you and — I don't want to lump you in with a lot of other pundits — but —

Stewart: You may.

Obama: — but this notion that healthcare was "timid": you've got 30 million people who are gonna get health insurance as a consequence of this —

Stewart: Right.

Stewart goes "Whoa, wait, I didn't mean it like that..."

Stewart: The suggestion was not that it's inconsequential or that it doesn't help —

Obama: The suggestion was that it was "timid."

Stewart: Timid.

Obama: Yeah, that was —

Stewart: And I'll tell you what I mean, and I don't mean to lump you in with other Presidents. (laughter) But I think if I were to try to coalesce whatever criticism of it may be, it's that you ran on the idea that this system needed basic reform —

Obama: Yup.

Stewart: It feels like some of the reforms that have passed, like healthcare, have been done in a very political manner that has papered over a foundation that is corrupt.

So Stewart is saying "there are some real problems I don't think you've addressed" and shown he knew what he was talking about. Sounds like a normal comedian to me. Oh wait, it doesn't. It SOUNDS like someone who had to actually ask some REAL POLITICAL QUESTIONS on a comedy show that DEALS WITH POLITICS all the time.

Watch the interview between Obama and Letterman. He asks him about his family and his home life, among other things. Doesn't really ask the hard questions though. Stewart does, for a reason. And if you had the chance to talk to the President face to face, wouldn't you ask him a few things you wanted to know yourself?

 

[jokersarewild]

Obama: — you've got a Patient's Bill of Rights that makes sure that insurance companies can't drop you when you get sick, if you've been paying premiums, that make sure there aren't lifetime limits, make sure kids who don't have health insurance can stay on their parents' insurance until they're 26, and cuts the deficit by over a trillion dollars. This is what I think most people would say is as significant a piece of legislation as we've seen in this country's history. And the notion that — but what happens is, it gets discounted because the presumption is, well, we didn't get 100% of what we wanted, we got 90% of what we wanted, so let's focus on the 10% we didn't get as opposed to the 90% that we did. And right now there is a woman in New Hampshire who doesn't have to sell her house to get her cancer treatments because of that healthcare bill. And she doesn't think it's inconsequential. She doesn't think it's "timid."

^^^This is supposed to go in after Stewart says "Right" and the quote tag ends, but when I put it in there, it said "you must post something" or something like that. Quite odd.

 

[timesjoke]

I didn't bother reading most of that either kid, you seem desperate to try and pain Stewart as a *** or something when he is not. Stewart is a comedian only, nothing more. Syewart is "small" in the context of who he is compared to the President of the United States. Your inability to understand that point and what appears to be your worship of Stewart is forcing you to post a lot of fluff that has nothing to do with the basic fact that Stewart is a small time host of a small time show who twists the news into something to entertain children and far left liberals who feed off distorted reality.

Take the 'timid' comment. In what was was Obama and company ignoring the majority of the American people to force through bad legislation after bad legislation 'timid'? Obama forced through what he wanted, he was not 'timid'. But this small man being able to call the President of the United States 'timid' to his face made him feel more important than he really is. This was about Stewart feeding his own ego, not trying to have a serious conversation about the facts. And to be honest, that is what he is supposed to do. Going back to the original point, Stewart is a comedian, he entertains and his brand of entertainment is being disrespectful to those who are in power most of the time. That is why so many immature kids like him because they also hate authority and want to thrash against the system.

It was a huge mistake for Obama to go on that show, if I was running against him in 2012, I definately would have that part of Stewats calling Obama 'timid' in the campaign notes for later use, lol.

 

[jokersarewild]

I didn't bother reading most of that either kid, you seem desperate to try and pain Stewart as a *** or something when he is not. Stewart is a comedian only, nothing more. Syewart is "small" in the context of who he is compared to the President of the United States. Your inability to understand that point and what appears to be your worship of Stewart is forcing you to post a lot of fluff that has nothing to do with the basic fact that Stewart is a small time host of a small time show who twists the news into something to entertain children and far left liberals who feed off distorted reality.

Hm. An idiotic, bullshit response where you parrot your previous posts as if they're actual talking points.

Oh, and according to you, everybody else in the country is small time. So Obama should just cocoon himself in his office since even his advisors are so beneath him, to converse with them would soil his great office. Again, Obama went on HIS show. Obviously he's not that small time.

I don't worship Stewart. I'm defending his interview against your puritanical vision of "respect".

Take the 'timid' comment. In what was was Obama and company ignoring the majority of the American people to force through bad legislation after bad legislation 'timid'? Obama forced through what he wanted, he was not 'timid'. But this small man being able to call the President of the United States 'timid' to his face made him feel more important than he really is. This was about Stewart feeding his own ego, not trying to have a serious conversation about the facts. And to be honest, that is what he is supposed to do. Going back to the original point, Stewart is a comedian, he entertains and his brand of entertainment is being disrespectful to those who are in power most of the time. That is why so many immature kids like him because they also hate authority and want to thrash against the system.

He was saying "You haven't actually done what you've promised. You passed healthcare reform on top of the same corrupt system you promised to change." If you actually took time to read this, you'd understand. But the guy who talks trash behind others backs (while still claiming to respect them) can't possibly be bothered to do anything more than trash talk. Classic.

It was a huge mistake for Obama to go on that show, if I was running against him in 2012, I definately would have that part of Stewats calling Obama 'timid' in the campaign notes for later use, lol.

And someone probably will.

 

[timesjoke]

Hm. An idiotic, bullshit response where you parrot your previous posts as if they're actual talking points.

You mean like you saying Stewart is a big person on the same level as the President when he is not?

All I can do is keep telling the truth and keeping things in the realm of reality kid, if that means the truth must be spoken over and over to keep the conversation in reality...then so be it.

Oh, and according to you, everybody else in the country is small time. So Obama should just cocoon himself in his office since even his advisors are so beneath him, to converse with them would soil his great office. Again, Obama went on HIS show. Obviously he's not that small time.

Where did I say "everyone" kid? Another lie by you inserted into the conversation to give you an excuse to flame? This style of yours to lie is very childish kid.

Obama should not avoid anyone kid, I never said he should avoid people, just that as President of the United States he has to take control of these things. I guess you don't know but it is common practice for strong public personalities to set limits and restrictions on these little guys before they will appear on their shows to prevent these kinds of things from happening. They will actually have an appearance contract. Obama went on this idiots show and didn't even bother to put him in his place with the same kind of appearance contract even Oprah requires before she will allow an interview.

The fact that Stewart took advantage of Obama's lack of planning and went so far to even be completely disrespectful shows just how small Stewart really is.

I don't worship Stewart. I'm defending his interview against your puritanical vision of "respect".

Bull, any idiot can see that when measured side by side, the respect level between comedian on a barely watched comedy show and the President of the United States "SHOULD" be a world apart. Stewart treated Obama as beneath him, that was the disrespect.

He was saying "You haven't actually done what you've promised. You passed healthcare reform on top of the same corrupt system you promised to change." If you actually took time to read this, you'd understand. But the guy who talks trash behind others backs (while still claiming to respect them) can't possibly be bothered to do anything more than trash talk. Classic.

And being so immature you missed the point in your desperation to defend your little entertainment *** Stewart. Stewart twists the truth in politics just enough to make it funny, well funny to the immature crowd who watches his show. What "corrupt system" did Stewart think needed to be removed? The only thing Obama did not do is put the private healthcare companies out of business...is that what Stewart was complaining about? And if so, show me the direct quote from Obama saying he would put them out of business for Stewart to hold him accountable for?

And someone probably will.

Oh, and Stewart calling him "dude" like a nobody, that would really hurt Obama's campaign when even a nobody comedian stuck on the cartoon channel does not have any respect for Obama as the President either. Just loop him calling Obama dude and timid over and over, who wants a "timid dude" as President?