Nomination: Pierre Sallinger HL&S: Russ Allberry & The Big 8 Management Board

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Aratzio

Guest
I for one appreciate a good troll, but I must admit I bit this hook as
hard as anyone. Russ and his group of trolls fooled everyone. Creating
a board to manage the Big-8 hierarchy, sending out control messages
for dead groups, pretending to disenfranchise usenetizens from the
process by hiding in a private clubhouse. I guess we all should have
guessed when they started discussing RMGROUPS. Come on, RMGROUPs? How
in the world did we miss that clue?

According to Google these are the last postings by the board in the
news.groups.proposals clubhouse:
Tim Skirvin: 04 Dec 2007
Dave Sill: 24 Jan 2008
Mark Kramer: 11 Jan 2008
Doug McLaren: 13 Jan 2008
Martin X Moleski: 21 Jan 2008
Kathy Morgan: 12 Feb 2008
Helge Nareid: 07 Jan 2008
Jeremy Nixon: 13 Sep 2007
Thomas Lee: 02 Feb 2008


Over a month since they were seen continuing the troll. It is time to
call the troll.

To Russ, a well done sir. How you planned and pulled this off is an
achievement worthy of the greatest trolls in usenet history. This may
actually surpass the 2-belo/Kehoe troll.

To the board , well played <insert applause here>, I do not think
anyone saw it coming, you fooled us all with those votes and the
discussions . The stomping off like spoilt little children to
news.groups proposals was an absolute master stroke. Brilliant, I bow
before thee in homage to your ability to perform in such a whiney,
cry-baby and truculent manner. The whole we support Nazi's thing
right out of the box and the follow-up misogyny is good sub-trolls
could not have set a better tone.

I am particularly impressed with the manner in which you replaced
players in the troll. Just when your troll would start to lose steam
you would hold elections. Bring in fresh blood. Adding Jeremy and
getting people to believe that rationality would return to the
process, suckered all of us. The completely without clue act of the
latest additions is hilarious.

All the bit parts like having Thomas Lee as the hypocrite, Moleski and
Morgan as the morons, Jeremy Nixon as the whiney curmudgeon.

As a final note, Tim Skirvin, the ability to take one of the finest
usenet reputations and dash it on the rocks just for the sake of the
Troll. A HUGE tip of the sombrero to you. That took some guts pal.

In the fading light that is usenet, this will be the final shining
beacon in a long and storied history of usenet trolling.

Seconds:

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On Sat, 23 Feb 2008 15:05:56 -0800, Aratzio wrote:

>
> I for one appreciate a good troll, but I must admit I bit this hook as
> hard as anyone. Russ and his group of trolls fooled everyone. Creating
> a board to manage the Big-8 hierarchy, sending out control messages
> for dead groups, pretending to disenfranchise usenetizens from the
> process by hiding in a private clubhouse. I guess we all should have
> guessed when they started discussing RMGROUPS. Come on, RMGROUPs? How
> in the world did we miss that clue?
>
> According to Google these are the last postings by the board in the
> news.groups.proposals clubhouse:
> Tim Skirvin: 04 Dec 2007
> Dave Sill: 24 Jan 2008
> Mark Kramer: 11 Jan 2008
> Doug McLaren: 13 Jan 2008
> Martin X Moleski: 21 Jan 2008
> Kathy Morgan: 12 Feb 2008
> Helge Nareid: 07 Jan 2008
> Jeremy Nixon: 13 Sep 2007
> Thomas Lee: 02 Feb 2008
>
>
> Over a month since they were seen continuing the troll. It is time to
> call the troll.
>
> To Russ, a well done sir. How you planned and pulled this off is an
> achievement worthy of the greatest trolls in usenet history. This may
> actually surpass the 2-belo/Kehoe troll.
>
> To the board , well played <insert applause here>, I do not think
> anyone saw it coming, you fooled us all with those votes and the
> discussions . The stomping off like spoilt little children to
> news.groups proposals was an absolute master stroke. Brilliant, I bow
> before thee in homage to your ability to perform in such a whiney,
> cry-baby and truculent manner. The whole we support Nazi's thing
> right out of the box and the follow-up misogyny is good sub-trolls
> could not have set a better tone.
>
> I am particularly impressed with the manner in which you replaced
> players in the troll. Just when your troll would start to lose steam
> you would hold elections. Bring in fresh blood. Adding Jeremy and
> getting people to believe that rationality would return to the
> process, suckered all of us. The completely without clue act of the
> latest additions is hilarious.
>
> All the bit parts like having Thomas Lee as the hypocrite, Moleski and
> Morgan as the morons, Jeremy Nixon as the whiney curmudgeon.
>
> As a final note, Tim Skirvin, the ability to take one of the finest
> usenet reputations and dash it on the rocks just for the sake of the
> Troll. A HUGE tip of the sombrero to you. That took some guts pal.
>
> In the fading light that is usenet, this will be the final shining
> beacon in a long and storied history of usenet trolling.
>
> Seconds:


Seconded with Glee!
 
On 2008-02-23, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> To Russ, - - -
>
> To the board , - - -


What of the good and sound chaps of the news.groups.proposals
moderation team?

I feel left out, and my feelings have been hurt. This omission is not
at all in the spirit of harmony, mutual understanding, kittens, and
holding-of-hands that Daedalus helped to foster in news.groups.

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
Aratzio wrote:
> I for one appreciate a good troll, but I must admit I bit this hook as
> hard as anyone. Russ and his group of trolls fooled everyone. Creating
> a board to manage the Big-8 hierarchy, sending out control messages
> for dead groups, pretending to disenfranchise usenetizens from the
> process by hiding in a private clubhouse. I guess we all should have
> guessed when they started discussing RMGROUPS. Come on, RMGROUPs? How
> in the world did we miss that clue?
>
> According to Google these are the last postings by the board in the
> news.groups.proposals clubhouse:
> Tim Skirvin: 04 Dec 2007
> Dave Sill: 24 Jan 2008
> Mark Kramer: 11 Jan 2008
> Doug McLaren: 13 Jan 2008
> Martin X Moleski: 21 Jan 2008
> Kathy Morgan: 12 Feb 2008
> Helge Nareid: 07 Jan 2008
> Jeremy Nixon: 13 Sep 2007
> Thomas Lee: 02 Feb 2008
>
>
> Over a month since they were seen continuing the troll. It is time to
> call the troll.
>
> To Russ, a well done sir. How you planned and pulled this off is an
> achievement worthy of the greatest trolls in usenet history. This may
> actually surpass the 2-belo/Kehoe troll.
>
> To the board , well played <insert applause here>, I do not think
> anyone saw it coming, you fooled us all with those votes and the
> discussions . The stomping off like spoilt little children to
> news.groups proposals was an absolute master stroke. Brilliant, I bow
> before thee in homage to your ability to perform in such a whiney,
> cry-baby and truculent manner. The whole we support Nazi's thing
> right out of the box and the follow-up misogyny is good sub-trolls
> could not have set a better tone.
>
> I am particularly impressed with the manner in which you replaced
> players in the troll. Just when your troll would start to lose steam
> you would hold elections. Bring in fresh blood. Adding Jeremy and
> getting people to believe that rationality would return to the
> process, suckered all of us. The completely without clue act of the
> latest additions is hilarious.
>
> All the bit parts like having Thomas Lee as the hypocrite, Moleski and
> Morgan as the morons, Jeremy Nixon as the whiney curmudgeon.
>
> As a final note, Tim Skirvin, the ability to take one of the finest
> usenet reputations and dash it on the rocks just for the sake of the
> Troll. A HUGE tip of the sombrero to you. That took some guts pal.
>
> In the fading light that is usenet, this will be the final shining
> beacon in a long and storied history of usenet trolling.
>
> Seconds:


Troia Legata

(Do you get the feeling that most reading don't even know what or who
you're talking about? Usenet but not porn, who cares anymore?)


Decided to rant lightly on the topic; below the sig, please snip
accordingly esp. as it's an unworthy rant.


-- Troia


Ratz:

Thanks for the recap. But where's the reaction?

A sad story, though. Is it mis-assigning the underlying cause to
recognize that non-binaries groups seem to be getting written off as
somehow "obsolete" and thereby needing vast reconstruction, even by
those who should know better, thus the kneejerk decision to pervert a
working <something> in the name of "progress"?

"Leaving well enough alone" would have been impossible? Or at least
recognizing the value of what has worked enduringly for more years than
anyone might've ever imagined?

I suppose that what amounts to anarchic primarily-self-regulating
heirarchy is just too open a concept in these well-regulated paranoiac
days. "We need more management!" but then nobody really wants to manage
that which hardly calls for heavy-handed management.

Actually, it reads a bit too much like the stories of "management by
team" that tanked so many a corporation in the 80's.

Nevermind. S'pose I'm just disappointed that there wasn't a loud chorus
of seconds. Not enough people seem invested beyond ego, sorry to say;
you're pure sterling sometimes, 'Ratz.


-- TL
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 17:47:15 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-23, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> To Russ, - - -
>>
>> To the board , - - -

>
>What of the good and sound chaps of the news.groups.proposals
>moderation team?
>
>I feel left out, and my feelings have been hurt. This omission is not
>at all in the spirit of harmony, mutual understanding, kittens, and
>holding-of-hands that Daedalus helped to foster in news.groups.


That would be a separate nomination for the Bob Allisat Memorial HL&S.



--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> That would be a separate nomination for the Bob Allisat Memorial HL&S.


Wonderful. I wouldn't want to be left out, my sycophancy
unrewarded. Very kind of you, all this. Here, have a kitten.

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 18:26:13 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> That would be a separate nomination for the Bob Allisat Memorial HL&S.

>
>Wonderful. I wouldn't want to be left out, my sycophancy
>unrewarded. Very kind of you, all this. Here, have a kitten.


HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.


I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.


I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.


I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:55:42 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.

>
>I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
>superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
>degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!


OH NO! What will I do for soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:55:42 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.

>
>I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
>superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
>degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!


OH NO! What will I do for soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 19:55:42 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> HAH, bribing the voters, you are disqualified.

>
>I will be reporting this distraughting behaviour on your part to my
>superiors, who, no doubt, will take swift action and punish you to the
>degree deemed necessary. No kittens for you from now on!


OH NO! What will I do for soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> OH NO! What will I do for soup?


Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
on American science fiction writers.

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> OH NO! What will I do for soup?


Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
on American science fiction writers.

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> OH NO! What will I do for soup?


Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
on American science fiction writers.

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:16:50 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> OH NO! What will I do for soup?

>
>Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
>on American science fiction writers.


Cat Noodle Soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:16:50 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> OH NO! What will I do for soup?

>
>Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
>on American science fiction writers.


Cat Noodle Soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008 20:16:50 GMT, in the land of alt.aratzio, Aatu
Koskensilta <aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi> got double secret probation
for writing:

>On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
>> OH NO! What will I do for soup?

>
>Noodles? I hear Stanislaw Lem used to eat noodle soup before spitting
>on American science fiction writers.


Cat Noodle Soup?

--

Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?

Aratzio - Usenet ruiner #2
 
On 2008-02-24, in alt.config, Aratzio wrote:
> Cat Noodle Soup?


Possibly. I fear, though, that such obscure allusions are out of place
in a board like this. I mean, isn't the Interweb and such forums and
blogs like this intended for the masses? Should not we, of the
vanguard, the keepers of the way, dumb down everything so as to make
these Google groups welcoming for even the terminally stupid, the
brain-dead quadriplegic hoi polloi?

--
Aatu Koskensilta (aatu.koskensilta@xortec.fi)

"Wovon man nicht sprechen kann, daruber muss man schweigen"
- Ludwig Wittgenstein, Tractatus Logico-Philosophicus
 
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