Obama's Death Panel
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RoyalOrleans
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Ten little things the media won't tell you about American healthcare. An interesting report was prepared by a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution and a professor of radiology and chief of neuroradiology at Stanford University Medical School by the name of Scott W. Atlas. He has prepared ten reasons why America's health care system is in better condition than you might suppose. Here's an overview, but the whole thing is worth a read. This is for all of your liberal friends who are convinced that a single-payer, government healthcare system is going to "save" our healthcare system.
1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.
2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.
3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.
4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.
5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.
6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom.
7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed.
8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians.
9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain.
10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.
Well .. remember. No matter how good our medical care is today, it simply doesn't empower politicians enough. That's the goal of ObamaCare, and the sooner you realize that the better prepared you are to fight for your freedom. ObamaCare is not about improving health care in the United States. It is ALL about increasing the power that political hacks have over your life and your bank accounts.
1. Americans have better survival rates than Europeans for common cancers.
2. Americans have lower cancer mortality rates than Canadians.
3. Americans have better access to treatment for chronic diseases than patients in other developed countries.
4. Americans have better access to preventive cancer screening than Canadians.
5. Lower-income Americans are in better health than comparable Canadians.
6. Americans spend less time waiting for care than patients in Canada and the United Kingdom.
7. People in countries with more government control of health care are highly dissatisfied and believe reform is needed.
8. Americans are more satisfied with the care they receive than Canadians.
9. Americans have better access to important new technologies such as medical imaging than do patients in Canada or Britain.
10. Americans are responsible for the vast majority of all health care innovations.
Well .. remember. No matter how good our medical care is today, it simply doesn't empower politicians enough. That's the goal of ObamaCare, and the sooner you realize that the better prepared you are to fight for your freedom. ObamaCare is not about improving health care in the United States. It is ALL about increasing the power that political hacks have over your life and your bank accounts.
phreakwars
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Ahh, I see you have reached stage 3 of the death of the myth... BARGAINING.
Don't worry, only depression and acceptance are left.
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phreakwars
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Are you representing THIS as a fact?
Because at the top of the page it says: Here’s a Second Opinion
Followed by that stuff you posted, and not followed by any data research done.
Just like the DEATH PANEL myth, I wanna see the data for this as well.
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ImWithStupid
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It was a reference to the old medical saying of getting a second opinion on a diagnosis, by another doctor, before acting.
RoyalOrleans
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The article with cross references.
And I meant to post this over in the competition thread where you merged several different threads.
My bad.
Yeah... I don't doubt the possibility, but I haven't the foggiest where and if such data exists.
So don't fukken look at me.
RoyalOrleans
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Yeah... a play on words or a "non sequitur" maybe a hyperbole?
phreakwars
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Hugo you really creep me out at times because I tend to find reasons to agree with you more, but it's true!!
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timesjoke
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Exactly, the problem is that those who operate these programs are not very bright. There is not one Government employee who would be considered "top in their field", in fact, most would not be considered even 50%.
This is one of the biggest reasons why every Government program is so horribly wasteful, they just are not smart enough to do a better job. If they were good, they would be in the private sector making ten times what they would make with the Government even if you add in the kickbacks and payoffs the high up guys get.
So, these unimaginative and unqualified people end up running the equilivant of a microsoft company but will never be fired for running out of money.
And now Obama wants to put these same people in charge of our medical care.
Death panel? The name is provocative to be sure, but to a certain degeee that is a reasonable name because that is exactly what they will be deciding.......who is deserving of treatment, and who is not.
I actually like Sarah comming out like this. She more than anyone else in history has been the receiver of the most ugly attacks from the internet crowd. If anyone has earned the right to express themselves on the internet in return, she has.
timesjoke
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Bender's only comment in most of this is "show me the law".
The problem with that is once it "IS" law your already too late to change anything. We know what he (Obama) "WANTS" to do, and we are trying to prevent it. That is why there is so much resistence to this mess, what Obama says, and what is in the many versions of the bill do not match up. Obama is playing all of America as stupid and trying the "bait and switch" on them but many Americans are not happy with that same old Washington BS.
And "Same Old" is right, where is this new kind of politics Obama promised us? Right now he looks like every other partisan politician who has ever held the office.
timesjoke
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Bender shot down nothing Chi.
He is right that there is nothing written into law right now at this second, but the time to act and speak out is "BEFORE" it is law, not after.
Obama wants the Government running healthcare and already has set up the framework for a panel of advisors to determine who will get treatments and who will not based on their opinion of what is "not worth it" and what is.
He is right that there is nothing written into law right now at this second, but the time to act and speak out is "BEFORE" it is law, not after.
Obama wants the Government running healthcare and already has set up the framework for a panel of advisors to determine who will get treatments and who will not based on their opinion of what is "not worth it" and what is.
timesjoke
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See it what way?
A lot more people care than you want to admit Chi, that is why we see the tea parties and now the town hall meetings with every day people getting upset over how their elected officials refuse to do as the people want.
Obama wants what he wants, the liberal/socialist elite wants the same things becuase Obama is one of them, they will push for their vision of socialist healthcare no matter what the people say.
timesjoke
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The tea parties are simply an expression of Americans who feel they are not being represented by their government.
The same is true of the town hall meetings.
The fake townhall meeting Obama did with ABC has proven that Obama does not care what the people really think, he has his eye on the goal and anything he has to do or say, lie or truth, he will do it.
