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Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

AP ^ | Mar 24, 2007 | FRANCES D'EMILIO


Posted on 03/24/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182


VATICAN CITY (AP) - Europe appears to be losing faith in its own
future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous
individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer
children.

"One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road
which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told
bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the
signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of
today's European Union.

Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile"-
though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent
for decades.

In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.

Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides
putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties
for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism,
careless about the consequences for the future."

"You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing
faith in its own future," Benedict said.

A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the
lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.

Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the
unemployment rate-at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about
losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often
until it is too late.

Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed
a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the
hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a
nation."

Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per
women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a
small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.

Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but
they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a
sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well
into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.

Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press
recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have
more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.

Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family
friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave,
has experienced a baby boom.

France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-
century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's
graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.

A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary
to keep a population from shrinking.
 
On Mar 24, 8:20 pm, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
wrote:
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>
> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
>
> AP ^ | Mar 24, 2007 | FRANCES D'EMILIO
>
> Posted on 03/24/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
>
> VATICAN CITY (AP) - Europe appears to be losing faith in its own
> future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous
> individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer
> children.
>
> "One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road
> which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told
> bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the
> signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of
> today's European Union.
>
> Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile"-
> though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent
> for decades.
>
> In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
> children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
> generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
>
> Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides
> putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties
> for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism,
> careless about the consequences for the future."
>
> "You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing
> faith in its own future," Benedict said.
>
> A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the
> lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.
>
> Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the
> unemployment rate-at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about
> losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often
> until it is too late.
>
> Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed
> a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the
> hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a
> nation."
>
> Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per
> women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a
> small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.
>
> Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but
> they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a
> sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well
> into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.
>
> Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press
> recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have
> more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.
>
> Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family
> friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave,
> has experienced a baby boom.
>
> France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-
> century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's
> graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.
>
> A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary
> to keep a population from shrinking.


Ill listen to that fat rich ***** when he produces just one miracle
 
"Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> copied-and-pasted
in news:1174796413.882547.65530@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com:

<...>
> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

<...>
> In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
> children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
> generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.

<..>


He's going to insist that priests, monks and nuns are married and have
children?

How many irony meters do I have to buy to get a discount?



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"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> wrote:
>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>>
>> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>
> And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
> say because...?
>



He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
 
Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> wrote:
> > http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
> >
> > Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>
> And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
> say because...?
>


let's see.....we are 'dangerously individualistic' if we don't have kids....
he is a saint for being celibate..... go figure.....
 
On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> > wrote:
> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts

>
> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>
> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
> > say because...?

>
> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?


Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
as he says? For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
contraception?
Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
 
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>"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
>> wrote:
>>> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>>>
>>> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>>
>> And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
>> say because...?

>
>He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?


Actually, he leads no one. He has no real power outside the church
hierarchy, and many Catholics ignore the Vatican (or just leave the
chruch for good.)
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> On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts

>>
>> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>>
>> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
>> > say because...?

>>
>> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?

>
> Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> as he says?


No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.


For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> contraception?
> Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?


I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws, even
if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a member
of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
deserted island.


>
 
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> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet" <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
> >>
> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
> >>
> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has to
> >> > say because...?
> >>
> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?

> >
> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> > as he says?

>
> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
>
>
> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> > contraception?
> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?

>
> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws, even
> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a member
> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
> deserted island.


And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of his
club what to do?
 
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> H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >>
>> >> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
>> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>> >>
>> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
>> >>
>> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
>> >> > to
>> >> > say because...?
>> >>
>> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
>> >
>> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
>> > as he says?

>>
>> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
>>
>>
>> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
>> > contraception?
>> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
>> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?

>>
>> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
>> even
>> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
>> member
>> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
>> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
>> deserted island.

>
> And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
> his
> club what to do?
>


You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what is
good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?
 
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> "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
> news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> >
> > H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> >>
> >> >> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> >> >>
> >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
> >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
> >> >>
> >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
> >> >>
> >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
> >> >> > to
> >> >> > say because...?
> >> >>
> >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
> >> >
> >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> >> > as he says?
> >>
> >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
> >>
> >>
> >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> >> > contraception?
> >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
> >>
> >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
> >> even
> >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
> >> member
> >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
> >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
> >> deserted island.

> >
> > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
> > his
> > club what to do?
> >

>
> You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what

is
> good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?


Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted. You
deserve each other.
 
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> H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> > "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
> > news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> > > H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
> > >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> > >> >> > wrote:
> > >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
> > >> >>
> > >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
> > >> >>
> > >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
> > >> >> > to
> > >> >> > say because...?
> > >> >>
> > >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
> > >> >
> > >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> > >> > as he says?
> > >>
> > >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
> > >>
> > >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> > >> > contraception?
> > >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> > >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
> > >>
> > >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
> > >> even
> > >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
> > >> member
> > >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
> > >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
> > >> deserted island.
> > >
> > > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
> > > his
> > > club what to do?

> >
> > You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what
> > is good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?

>
> Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
> touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted. You
> deserve each other.


Sheesh, this is weird.
These last two posts _seem_ to be from a person in the UK
answering a person in Australia. Neither of them appear to
know the difference between the pope, a head of the catholic
church and the American president, a head of completely
different outfit.
pjk
 
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> brique <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
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>> H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> news:9QDNh.1707$M.995@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > "brique" <briquenoir@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
>> > news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>> > > H Dickmann <herpem@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >> news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> > >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > >> >> news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
>> > >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
>> > >> >> > wrote:
>> > >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses
>> > >> >> > has
>> > >> >> > to
>> > >> >> > say because...?
>> > >> >>
>> > >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?
>> > >> >
>> > >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do
>> > >> > exactly
>> > >> > as he says?
>> > >>
>> > >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.
>> > >>
>> > >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
>> > >> > contraception?
>> > >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
>> > >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?
>> > >>
>> > >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without
>> > >> laws,
>> > >> even
>> > >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
>> > >> member
>> > >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules
>> > >> and
>> > >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
>> > >> deserted island.
>> > >
>> > > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members
>> > > of
>> > > his
>> > > club what to do?
>> >
>> > You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people
>> > what
>> > is good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?

>>
>> Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
>> touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted.
>> You
>> deserve each other.

>
> Sheesh, this is weird.
> These last two posts _seem_ to be from a person in the UK
> answering a person in Australia. Neither of them appear to
> know the difference between the pope, a head of the catholic
> church and the American president, a head of completely
> different outfit.
> pjk
>

Ever heard of a hypothetical example?
 
On 24 Mar 2007 21:20:13 -0700, "Sound of Trumpet"
<sound_of_trumpet@warpmail.net> wrote:

>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts
>
>
>Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future


Odd. I just read a piece here on Usenet where it's said
Europeans see a big future ahead, and while they see themselves as
much more powerful internationally, they see the US as much less so. I
guess sometimes the papacy decides to engage in pro-European PR.

>
>AP ^ | Mar 24, 2007 | FRANCES D'EMILIO
>
>
>Posted on 03/24/2007 2:58:27 PM PDT by Anti-Bubba182
>
>
>VATICAN CITY (AP) - Europe appears to be losing faith in its own
>future, Pope Benedict XVI said Saturday, warning against "dangerous
>individualism" on a continent where many people are having fewer
>children.
>
>"One must unfortunately note that Europe seems to be going down a road
>which could lead it to take its leave from history," the pontiff told
>bishops in Rome for ceremonies to mark the 50th anniversary of the
>signing of the Treaty of Rome, a major step toward the creation of
>today's European Union.
>
>Benedict said he was concerned about Europe's "demographic profile"-
>though he did not describe the trends that have alarmed the continent
>for decades.
>
>In countries like Italy, where many married couples have one or no
>children, the population is expected to shrink dramatically in a
>generation or two unless fertility rates quickly increase.
>
>Benedict expressed concern that Europe's population trends, "besides
>putting economic growth at risk, can also cause enormous difficulties
>for social cohesion, and, above all, favor dangerous individualism,
>careless about the consequences for the future."
>
>"You could almost think that the European continent is in fact losing
>faith in its own future," Benedict said.
>
>A recent Eurostat survey showed Poland's fertility rate to be the
>lowest in the EU, at 1.23 children per woman.
>
>Sociologists and economists blame the economy, particularly the
>unemployment rate-at 14.9 percent the highest in the EU. Worried about
>losing their jobs, many women in Poland put off having children, often
>until it is too late.
>
>Earlier this month, Polish Prime Minister Jaroslaw Kaczynski proposed
>a new program of tax exemptions and support for working mothers in the
>hope of encouraging births and ensuring that Poles "continue as a
>nation."
>
>Italy's fertility rate steadily plunged to a low of 1.25 children per
>women of childbearing age in 2001, with the last few years seeing a
>small turnaround, mainly due to births to immigrants.
>
>Italian experts cite Italian's desire for an easier lifestyle, but
>they also blame shortages of day care centers, expensive housing and a
>sluggish job market which sees many Italians living at home until well
>into their 30s as reasons for the country's relatively few children.
>
>Antonio Golini, an Italian demographer, told The Associated Press
>recently that unless the retirement age is raised, Italy will have
>more people drawing pensions than it will have workers in 2050.
>
>Spain also has a low fertility rate, while France, with family
>friendly policies such as cheap day care and generous parental leave,
>has experienced a baby boom.
>
>France had more babies in 2006 than in any year in the last quarter-
>century, capping a decade of rising fertility that has bucked Europe's
>graying trend. Its fertility rate in 2006 was 2.0 children per woman.
>
>A rate of 2.1 children per woman is considered the minimum necessary
>to keep a population from shrinking.
 
On 26 mar, 05:13, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
wrote:
> brique <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in messagenews:1174876868.16547.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> >news:9QDNh.1707$M.995@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
> > >news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> > > > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > >news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >>news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > >> >>news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
> > > >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts

>
> > > >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>
> > > >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
> > > >> >> > to
> > > >> >> > say because...?

>
> > > >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?

>
> > > >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> > > >> > as he says?

>
> > > >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.

>
> > > >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> > > >> > contraception?
> > > >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> > > >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?

>
> > > >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
> > > >> even
> > > >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
> > > >> member
> > > >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
> > > >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
> > > >> deserted island.

>
> > > > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
> > > > his
> > > > club what to do?

>
> > > You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what
> > > is good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?

>
> > Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
> > touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted. You
> > deserve each other.

>
> Sheesh, this is weird.
> These last two posts _seem_ to be from a person in the UK
> answering a person in Australia. Neither of them appear to
> know the difference between the pope, a head of the catholic
> church and the American president, a head of completely
> different outfit.


I'm in Austria (no kangaroo in Vienna...). My original question was
simply: why would atheists care about what the pope says. That's it.
 
"Parsifal" <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174893383.237216.22020@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 26 mar, 05:13, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
> wrote:
>> brique <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in
>> messagenews:1174876868.16547.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
>> > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> >news:9QDNh.1707$M.995@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > > "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
>> > >news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
>> > > > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>> > > >news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> > > >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > >>news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
>> > > >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
>> > > >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> > > >> >>news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
>> > > >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
>> > > >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
>> > > >> >> > wrote:
>> > > >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts

>>
>> > > >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

>>
>> > > >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing
>> > > >> >> > dresses has
>> > > >> >> > to
>> > > >> >> > say because...?

>>
>> > > >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?

>>
>> > > >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do
>> > > >> > exactly
>> > > >> > as he says?

>>
>> > > >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.

>>
>> > > >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
>> > > >> > contraception?
>> > > >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without
>> > > >> > having
>> > > >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?

>>
>> > > >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without
>> > > >> laws,
>> > > >> even
>> > > >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country,
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> member
>> > > >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules
>> > > >> and
>> > > >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on
>> > > >> a
>> > > >> deserted island.

>>
>> > > > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not
>> > > > members of
>> > > > his
>> > > > club what to do?

>>
>> > > You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people
>> > > what
>> > > is good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?

>>
>> > Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but
>> > your
>> > touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is
>> > noted. You
>> > deserve each other.

>>
>> Sheesh, this is weird.
>> These last two posts _seem_ to be from a person in the UK
>> answering a person in Australia. Neither of them appear to
>> know the difference between the pope, a head of the catholic
>> church and the American president, a head of completely
>> different outfit.

>
> I'm in Austria (no kangaroo in Vienna...).My original question was
> simply: why would atheists care about what the pope says. That's it.
>

So if the Pope tells you to go out of the way of a speeding train you are
going to ignore him because you are an atheist?

Look at the reality of Europe. It has been estimated that in 20 years from
now, 30% of women will chose not to have any children while others will only
have one child. Migrants on the other hand have 4 children or more. Do you
want the Opernhaus to be turned into a mosque? Do you like it when in just a
few generation all of Europe speaks Arabic? The Pope doesn't spell it out
that way, but that is what he was talking about. Don't be so damn anti
Catholic and listen to what he has to say.
 
Parsifal <jeanpascalvachon@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1174893383.237216.22020@l75g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
> On 26 mar, 05:13, "Paul J Kriha" <paul.nospam.kr...@paradise.net.nz>
> wrote:
> > brique <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in messagenews:1174876868.16547.0@demeter.uk.clara.net...
> > > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > >news:9QDNh.1707$M.995@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > "brique" <briquen...@freeuk.c0m> wrote in message
> > > >news:1174864221.13850.0@proxy02.news.clara.net...
> > > > > H Dickmann <her...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > > > >news:wkANh.1656$M.1115@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> > > > >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >>news:1174835887.370307.181600@p15g2000hsd.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> > On 25 Mrz., 12:53, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> > > > >> >> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> > > > >> >>news:1174812401.988679.59800@d57g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
> > > > >> >> > On 25 Mrz., 06:20, "Sound of Trumpet"
> > > > >> >> > <sound_of_trum...@warpmail.net>
> > > > >> >> > wrote:
> > > > >> >> >>http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1806213/posts

> >
> > > > >> >> >> Pope: Europe Losing Faith in Its Future

> >
> > > > >> >> > And we care about what a German septuagenarian wearing dresses has
> > > > >> >> > to
> > > > >> >> > say because...?

> >
> > > > >> >> He is the leader of a Billion people. Who are you?

> >
> > > > >> > Do you really think that one billion persons on the planet do exactly
> > > > >> > as he says?

> >
> > > > >> No, But then, not every American obeys the law of the land.

> >
> > > > >> For example, do you think that no catholics EVER use
> > > > >> > contraception?
> > > > >> > Who am I? Someone who can make decisions by myself without having
> > > > >> > someone "pre-chewing" them for me... Who are you?

> >
> > > > >> I'm a person who realises that Society can not function without laws,
> > > > >> even
> > > > >> if we don't like all the laws. If you are a citizen of a country, a
> > > > >> member
> > > > >> of a soccer club , a social club or a church, you have laws, rules and
> > > > >> regulations. If you want to do your own thing, you have to live on a
> > > > >> deserted island.

> >
> > > > > And since when did this 'Pope' get to tell people who are not members of
> > > > > his
> > > > > club what to do?

> >
> > > > You may be anti Bush, but does that mean that he can not tell people what
> > > > is good for America? Or even, what is good for other countries?

> >
> > > Bush can't even tell what day of the week it is without help... but your
> > > touching faith in leaders and willingness to be one of the led is noted. You
> > > deserve each other.

> >
> > Sheesh, this is weird.
> > These last two posts _seem_ to be from a person in the UK
> > answering a person in Australia. Neither of them appear to
> > know the difference between the pope, a head of the catholic
> > church and the American president, a head of completely
> > different outfit.

>
> I'm in Austria (no kangaroo in Vienna...). My original question was
> simply: why would atheists care about what the pope says. That's it.


You are indeed not posting from the UK or Australia.
Neither you wrote any of the last two posts I was
refering to. So I wasn't refering/talking to you, was I.

I knew what your original question was. Considering the
subject line, I was just puzzled why would those two
posters think you and others were talking about Bush.
pjk
 
On Mar 26, 4:25 am, "H Dickmann" <her...@bigpond.com> wrote:
> "Parsifal" <jeanpascalvac...@gmail.com> wrote in message


>
> So if the Pope tells you to go out of the way of a speeding train you are
> going to ignore him because you are an atheist?
>
> Look at the reality of Europe. It has been estimated that in 20 years from
> now, 30% of women will chose not to have any children while others will only
> have one child. Migrants on the other hand have 4 children or more. Do you
> want the Opernhaus to be turned into a mosque? Do you like it when in just a
> few generation all of Europe speaks Arabic? The Pope doesn't spell it out
> that way, but that is what he was talking about. Don't be so damn anti
> Catholic and listen to what he has to say.


When the Pope speaks of Europe losing "faith in its future" it is
reasonable suppose that he is using the word faith in his idiotic
religious interpretation of the word. If you read the text of what he
said he did not seem to be simply making a demographic observation.

As you point out, the demographic problem is real. Since one
can't really force people to reproduce if they do not want to, Europe
has allowed huge amounts of immigration so as to avoid a geriatric
society. But it was very stupid of them to accept so many Moslems.
They could have gotten plenty of immigrants from more reasonable parts
of the world (Latin America, Asia, etc.) As far as I can tell,
Europeans have made an informal decision to overturn Charles Martell's
victory at tours and simply "surrender" to the Moslem hoardes.
 
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