Re: Definition of God

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:21:23 GMT, in alt.atheism
spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in
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>On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 10:11:09 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
>wrote:
>
>>>They are. Who do you think voted fro Gore and Kerry?
>
>>>Certainly no rational person would do anthing that idiotic.
>
>>Because you think it's rational to vote for the totally incompetent and
>>morally corrupt George W Bush.
>
>>Maybe you don't know what 'rational' means.
>
>Maybe you don't know what the lesser of evils means.
>
>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain,
>which has to be one of the most ****ed up places on Earth.

Your religious bias is showing.

 

[DanWood]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 16:25:04 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >There was no before.
>
> Our dinky little universe is just a very small part of the Universe,
>
Different people have different ideas as to what the universe is
to some the earth is their universe, I.e. "global warming is a universal
phenomenon" (I just read that). To others the universe is our solar
system. To others the universe is the entire cosmos. I personally
subscribe to the latter. This cosmos is _all_ we can observe.
So we have direct empirical evidence of only the cosmos.
Everything else is pure supposition.
>
> which is the totality of the material world. While our universe did
> begin in time, the Universe did not.
>
Are you not speaking in terms of our solar system, if so I would
agree. It was formed 4.56^9 years ago.
>
> The Universe has existed for eternity, because it is a Mode of
> Being, that is, a manifestation of certain characteristics of God.
> It has always existed just like God has always existed.
>
With all due respect, I must disagree. There is evidence for the
big bang. such as the expanding universe, the Cosmic Microwave
Background, which is the residual radiation from the BB explosion.
>
> >The big bang was the beginning. It was the
> >beginning of space time, the laws of physics and ultimately the
> >beginning of life on at least one planet.
>
> The Big Bang is not even a theory, because it has so many problems.
>
There is only a very few scientist who reject the BB theory. It is
actually the standard accepted theory by the overwhelming
majority most physicist, astro-physicist and astronomers.
>

> The latest notion from superstring theory is that our universe was
> created from a black hole in the Universe. Read Brian Greene's books
> to see how that happens.
>
I have read the "Elegant Universe". Also his string theory
has been on ETV at least two times. So I am somewhat familiar
with his work. But it's all supposition. Many scientism from Einstein
to Green to Hawking have tried to develop a unified field theory
which could encompass the four (Six according to Wheeler)
fundamental laws into one.
But no one has come up with a single prediction in which to test even
one of the 11 string theories or the "unified" string theory - "M" theory

Best Wishes,
Dan
>
> --
>
> I just neutered the cat - now he's French.

 

[Sean]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:44:37 GMT, Gospel Bretts
> <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>I agree that there's no reason for consciousness to have evolved
>>confined exclusively inside the brain
>
> Actually there is a very good reason.
>
> Consciousness is a result of electromagnetic activity in the brain.

You got the chicken and egg, or cause/effect back to front. No
consciousness, means no activity to begin with.


> Only the brain is constructed to support such activity.
>

and a slight adjustment here would read : The Brain is created or
constructed to support the activity of consciousness in the physical.

The brain runs on physics/biology etc. while the consciousness is Pure Being
the power behind physical reality. A faulty brain limits the expression of
consciousness into this reality. Brain dead stops that expression in the
current form, but the consciousness continues and does not die, unlike the
physical body.

a nde/obe is often enough to prove that to an individual without the need
for physical death, but I wouldn't recommend it unless you're willing to
re-formulate your world view much larger than it currently is. ;-)

 

[DanWood]

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me
> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed
> Dan Wood.
>
This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have
a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools
tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers,
connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers.

Dan
>
> This explains a lot.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
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>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
>> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me
>> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed
>> Dan Wood.
>>
>This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have
>a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools
>tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers,
>connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers.

Here's the message, with your signature.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net>
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Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM
Subject: Re: Definition of God


> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com...
> >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve
> >> by ignoring what you are told,
> >>
> >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are.
>
> I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion -
> where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders
> about those who ask the questions you beg.
>
> >You call it telling me facts,
>
> I was, liar.
>
This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all,
be
all
end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who
don't
agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so
far as
you are concerned.
It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer.

Good bye,
Dan Wood

 

[Bob]

On 26 Aug 2006 16:17:35 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:

>>>> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your
>>>> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions
>>>> (called axioms in formal logic systems).

>>>You can know death and taxes!

>> Not with absolute certainty.

>You admit our existence implicitly by discussing philosophy with us. If
>you doubted the existence of everything but yourself, who could you
>possibly be corresponding with?

I did not say I doubt your existence. I said I cannot know you exist
with absolute certainty. And there is nothing you can do to prove it
to me, even though it is absolutely certain to you.


--

I just neutered the cat - now he's French.

 

[Bob]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:26:47 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
wrote:

>>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain,
>>which has to be one of the most ****ed up places on Earth.

>Your religious bias is showing.

You mean my political bias is showing.

I can't have any religious bias because I do not subcribe to any
religion.

I am a Jesuitical Heathen Troll, which is about as far from being
religious as you can get. Atheists are frauds so they don't count.


--

I just neutered the cat - now he's French.

 

[Bob]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:47:00 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> This cosmos is _all_ we can observe.
>So we have direct empirical evidence of only the cosmos.
>Everything else is pure supposition.

Try telling that to productive physicists.


--

I just neutered the cat - now he's French.

 

[Enkidu]

spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in
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> On 26 Aug 2006 16:17:35 GMT, Enkidu <ox_qljjor@trashmail.net> wrote:
>
>>>>> There is only one thing you can be certain about and that is your
>>>>> knowledge that you exist. Everything else is based on assumptions
>>>>> (called axioms in formal logic systems).
>
>>>>You can know death and taxes!
>
>>> Not with absolute certainty.
>
>>You admit our existence implicitly by discussing philosophy with us.
>>If you doubted the existence of everything but yourself, who could you
>>possibly be corresponding with?
>
> I did not say I doubt your existence. I said I cannot know you exist
> with absolute certainty. And there is nothing you can do to prove it
> to me, even though it is absolutely certain to you.

Yeh? So what? This sort of speculation is fruitless. We accept the
existance of the universe as an axiom because we must, not because we
choose to. There is simply no alternative.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
http://www.thoughts.leaddogs.org/
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

As a set of cognitive beliefs, religion is a speculative hypothesis of
an extremely low order of probability.
-- Sidney Hook, The Partisan Review, March 1950

 

[Lizz Holmans]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 16:21:23 GMT, spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote:


>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain,
>which has to be one of the most ****ed up places on Earth.

I'll bet my hat against the hole in a doughnut that you have not been
conversant with British politics for the last 20 years. I've been a
happy ex-pat for nine; I've met real commies (usually a humorless
bunch).

If you live Over Here, vote LibDem. If you're not, then your
definitions of '****ed up' are diametricly opposed to the more
rational, less rabid 'social services.'

Lizz 'in other words, wrong, wrong, wrongity wrong wrong' Holmans
--
Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta

 

[DanWood]

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >newsiq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
> >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me
> >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed
> >> Dan Wood.
> >>
> >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we have
> >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools
> >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers,
> >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers.
>
> Here's the message, with your signature.
>
It doesn't matter what you think.

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> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM
> Subject: Re: Definition of God
>
>
> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com...
> > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> > >> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve
> > >> by ignoring what you are told,
> > >>
> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are.
> >
> > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion -
> > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders
> > about those who ask the questions you beg.
> >
> > >You call it telling me facts,
> >
> > I was, liar.
> >
> This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all,
> be
> all
> end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who
> don't
> agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so
> far as
> you are concerned.
> It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer.
>
> Good bye,
> Dan Wood
>

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
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>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
>> >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent me
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>> >> Dan Wood.
>> >>
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>>
>> Here's the message, with your signature.
>>
>It doesn't matter what you think.

It's not a matter of what "I think". dishnest trolling theist.

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>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net>
>> Newsgroups:
>> alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion
>> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM
>> Subject: Re: Definition of God
>>
>>
>> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> > >
>> > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com...
>> > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> > >> wrote:
>> > >>
>> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you achieve
>> > >> by ignoring what you are told,
>> > >>
>> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are.
>> >
>> > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your religion -
>> > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders
>> > about those who ask the questions you beg.
>> >
>> > >You call it telling me facts,
>> >
>> > I was, liar.
>> >
>> This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all,
>> be
>> all
>> end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who
>> don't
>> agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so
>> far as
>> you are concerned.
>> It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer.
>>
>> Good bye,
>> Dan Wood
^^^^^^^

 

[Michelle Malkin]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:44f1a2c7.652781@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 14:03:42 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
> wrote:
>
>>I do agree with you that you are nothing but a troll.
>
> But I am not the usual troll.

Sure you are. You think that by boasting about
how 'unusual' you are that this makes you
someone special? It doesn't. Most trolls really
have very tiny egos and try to conceal this by
telling people how wonderful they are. All this
shows is that they need to puff themselves up
in the eyes of those they are trying to bother.
It also shows that their egos are nearly non-
existent and they know it. Such trolls are
desperate for attention. That's you.

Did you choose the nym 'Free Lunch' because
there is no such thing as you?

 

[Free Lunch]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 17:15:33 GMT, in alt.atheism
spam@uce.gov (Bob) wrote in
<44f08156.70169875@news-server.houston.rr.com>:
>On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 11:26:47 -0500, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us>
>wrote:
>
>>>Gore and Kerry are bloody commies who would turn America into Britain,
>>>which has to be one of the most ****ed up places on Earth.
>
>>Your religious bias is showing.
>
>You mean my political bias is showing.
>
>I can't have any religious bias because I do not subcribe to any
>religion.
>
>I am a Jesuitical Heathen Troll, which is about as far from being
>religious as you can get. Atheists are frauds so they don't count.

I chose my words intentionally.

I do agree with you that you are nothing but a troll.

 

[DanWood]

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:q031f2hblv80i1dc5uptift4teeeel6ras@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:58:55 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >news:7ov0f2tdap65vrqhkdvq1h6j9hretsuofo@4ax.com...
> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 13:01:48 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> >newsiq0f2hmicdht1867n7mtuoaqhq2ldcje5@4ax.com...
> >> >> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 09:28:31 -0400, Christopher A. Lee
> >> >> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> It turns out that "DanWood" is actually R.D. Heilman. He just sent
me
> >> >> some slanderous email from the Heilman account at BellSouth, signed
> >> >> Dan Wood.
> >> >>
> >> >This is not true! I live in a up scale housing development where we
have
> >> >a community recreation center with in door and outdoor swimming pools
> >> >tennis courts, a electronic game room and a couple of computers,
> >> >connected to the internet. Any member has access to these computers.
> >>
> >> Here's the message, with your signature.
> >>
> >It doesn't matter what you think.
>
> It's not a matter of what "I think". dishnest trolling theist.
>
I'm rather new to this community. Someone set these computers up
long before I moved here. I pay my dues so I'm allowed full access
to these facilities including these computers. There are three computers
one is for kid games only. There is 200 more than households able to
use these recreational facilities. This is near Research Triangle Park in
Raleigh-Durham N.C.

Dan



>
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net>
> >> Newsgroups:
> >> alt.philosophy,sci.logic,sci.skeptic,alt.atheism,alt.religion
> >> Sent: Saturday, August 26, 2006 9:28 AM
> >> Subject: Re: Definition of God
> >>
> >>
> >> > On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 11:52:56 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> > >
> >> > >"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
> >> > >news:r3ate29siahcorlkuaa0dn4s5ma7ucokps@4ax.com...
> >> > >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 23:46:12 -0400, "DanWood"
<drwood@bellsouth.net>
> >> > >> wrote:
> >> > >>
> >> > >> Dan, you haven't a shred of honesty. What do you imagine you
achieve
> >> > >> by ignoring what you are told,
> >> > >>
> >> > >This is just it Chris. You presume to tell me how things are.
> >> >
> >> > I "presume" nothing, liar. This is the real world, not your
religion -
> >> > where you have to back up claims instead of resorting to slanders
> >> > about those who ask the questions you beg.
> >> >
> >> > >You call it telling me facts,
> >> >
> >> > I was, liar.
> >> >
> >> This is your stock in trade. By calling someone a liar that is an all,
> >> be
> >> all
> >> end all for you. I read your responses to others it seems anyone who
> >> don't
> >> agree with you you call a liar. No further reasoning is necessary so
> >> far as
> >> you are concerned.
> >> It's your stock in trade. I refuse to deal with this any longer.
> >>
> >> Good bye,
> >> Dan Wood
> ^^^^^^^

 

[Steve O]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:44f05477.58683031@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 02:43:26 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>>"If we evolved from monkeys, then why are monkeys still around? "
>
> We need someone to vote for the Demoncraps.
>
>
Please Bob!- by snipping the way you did, it makes me appear that it is a
statement I made or agree with.
I'm so embarrassed.
You could have at least included the part where I said it was a dumb
question.
But you had to go for the gag, right? ;-)


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[stoney]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism

>
><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Immortalist wrote:
>>
>> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
>> > [crutch-lever?].
>>
>> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
>> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
>>
>> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
>> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
>> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
>> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
>> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
>> of having pain inflicted on them.
>>
>> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
>> of human sexuality, would I not?
>>
>> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
>> > particular religious instincts survived and the
>> > atheists died.
>>
>> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
>>
>> None.
>>
>> How are you arriving at this claim?
>>
>There are people who go to their deaths completely
>assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
>will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
>have none of this [delusion]

Fixed it for ya, ****wit.




--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

 

[stoney]

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 12:02:28 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism

>
>"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:s23ue29tmvo756hji9e7mcd5jtb1ute0k3@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:41:21 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com...
>> >> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> ><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> >news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Immortalist wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
>> >> >> > [crutch-lever?].
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
>> >> >> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
>> >> >> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
>> >> >> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
>> >> >> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
>> >> >> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
>> >> >> of having pain inflicted on them.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
>> >> >> of human sexuality, would I not?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
>> >> >> > particular religious instincts survived and the
>> >> >> > atheists died.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> None.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> How are you arriving at this claim?
>> >> >>
>> >> >There are people who go to their deaths completely
>> >> >assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
>> >> >will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
>> >> >have none of this assurance.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but
>> >> they don't really.
>> >>
>> >Do you speak for Christians?
>> >>
>>
>> Dan, I don't have to be the Christians designated spokesperson to
>> comment on my observations. You guys repeatedly prove to all
>> non-biased observers that you really don't believe what you say you
>> believe.
>>
>You are painting with a _very_broad_ brush. I do not deny that
>there are times when many perhaps most Christians have times
>of doubt and disbelief. Certainly, I do.

That's part and parcel of being human, however I don't think that was
what he meant. The utilization of medical services and medication
instead of "thanking God" for the affliction and leaving the end result
to 'his will.' The utilization of said services, and technologies, both
in daily life and to fend off death and 'judgement day' for as long as
inhumanly possible (for others).



--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

 

[stoney]

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:01:17 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote in alt.atheism

>
>"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
>news:44f04ce3.56742796@news-server.houston.rr.com...
>> On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:44:37 GMT, Gospel Bretts
>> <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I agree that there's no reason for consciousness to have evolved
>> >confined exclusively inside the brain
>>
>> Actually there is a very good reason.
>>
>> Consciousness is a result of electromagnetic activity in the brain.
>> Only the brain is constructed to support such activity.
>>
>This may not be the best analogy, but I've seen a few patients who
>were in excruciating pain. But there was no physical reason. There
>was no test to measure pain in such cases, but one could not deny
>they were in pain. Perhaps it was psychosomatic, but real enough
>to them.

Misfiring in the brain can happen at any time for any duration. If the
pain receptors are activated then they're activated at whatever level.

[]



--
Fundies and trolls are cordially invited to
shove a wooden cross up their arses and rotate
at a high rate of speed. I trust you'll
be 'blessed' with a plethora of splinters.

 

[stoney]

On 22 Aug 2006 01:35:09 -0700, "Nosterill" <fladgate@hotmail.com> wrote
in alt.atheism

>
>Immortalist wrote:
>
>> God is a concept some humans use as a lever [crutch-lever?].
>
>Curious comment! I had always understood a crutch-lever to be a device
>utilised for the forcible removal of a chastity belt.

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