Re: So f=3Fn sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Leythos · Jul 13, 2009

In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
@k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
> 

I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
infected.

If you're an IT person you should be following the basic rules for
securing the computer and surfing/playing - if you follow them you would
not get infected - they have been known for more than a decade and still
apply.

Dump AVG, get a quality AV solution - in my experience, AVG is one of
the least protective solutions.

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SPAMCOP User · Jul 13, 2009

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Alias · Jul 13, 2009

Leythos wrote:
> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
>> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
>>
>
> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
> as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
> available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
> infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
> infected.

Liar.

Alias

Leythos · Jul 13, 2009

In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
> > @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
> >> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
> >> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
> >>
> >
> > I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
> > as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
> > available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
> > infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
> > infected.
>
> Liar.
>
> Alias

I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from
his own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.

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Alias · Jul 13, 2009

Leythos wrote:
> In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
>>> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
>>>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
>>>> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
>>>>
>>> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
>>> as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
>>> available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
>>> infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
>>> infected.
>> Liar.
>>
>> Alias
>
> I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from
> his own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.
> 

I see you're using unfounded insults to divert attention away from the
fact that you're a liar.

As I use Linux, I have no need to secure that which cannot be secured:
Windows. The only way to keep Windows secure is to not allow Windows
on the Net. Fact is, your precious Norton CRAP can only detect viruses
it knows about, not new ones. This is Computer Security 101, sport.

Alias

Dan H · Jul 13, 2009

That is true that the only 100% security is unplugging it from the net, but
what fun is that? ;-)
Personally I never got a virus but either my son or wife did download some
nasty spyware one time.

There are precautions you can definitely take to minimize risk. And for me
after all these years those precautions seem to pay off.

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h3fesh$tgc$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
>>>> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
>>>>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
>>>>> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
>>>>>
>>>> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
>>>> as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
>>>> available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
>>>> infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
>>>> infected.
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from his
>> own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.
>>
>
> I see you're using unfounded insults to divert attention away from the
> fact that you're a liar.
>
> As I use Linux, I have no need to secure that which cannot be secured:
> Windows. The only way to keep Windows secure is to not allow Windows on
> the Net. Fact is, your precious Norton CRAP can only detect viruses it
> knows about, not new ones. This is Computer Security 101, sport.
>
> Alias

Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] · Jul 13, 2009

Alias <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote:
> Dan H wrote:
>> That is true that the only 100% security is unplugging it from the
>> net, but what fun is that? ;-)
>> Personally I never got a virus but either my son or wife did
>> download some nasty spyware one time.
>>
>> There are precautions you can definitely take to minimize risk. And
>> for me after all these years those precautions seem to pay off.
>
> Most computer owners who are part of a botnet don't know they have
> been pawned. 100% of the computers in botnets are Windows machines
> and they are the ones who bring you tons and tons of spam. You may
> very well be infected and not even know it, especially if you use
> Internet Explorer or Windows Live Messenger.
>
> So, what I do is use the toy operating system -- Windows -- for gaming
> and Ubuntu Linux for everything else.
>
> Alias

`Who cares for you?' said Alice, (she had grown to her full size by this
time.) `You're nothing but a pack of cards!'

At this the whole pack rose up into the air, and came flying down upon her:
she gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, and tried to
beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank, with her head in the lap
of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves that had
fluttered down from the trees upon her face.

Alias · Jul 13, 2009

Lanwench [MVP - Exchange] wrote:
> Alias <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote:
>> Dan H wrote:
>>> That is true that the only 100% security is unplugging it from the
>>> net, but what fun is that? ;-)
>>> Personally I never got a virus but either my son or wife did
>>> download some nasty spyware one time.
>>>
>>> There are precautions you can definitely take to minimize risk. And
>>> for me after all these years those precautions seem to pay off.
>> Most computer owners who are part of a botnet don't know they have
>> been pawned. 100% of the computers in botnets are Windows machines
>> and they are the ones who bring you tons and tons of spam. You may
>> very well be infected and not even know it, especially if you use
>> Internet Explorer or Windows Live Messenger.
>>
>> So, what I do is use the toy operating system -- Windows -- for gaming
>> and Ubuntu Linux for everything else.
>>
>> Alias
>
> `Who cares for you?' said Alice, (she had grown to her full size by this
> time.) `You're nothing but a pack of cards!'
>
> At this the whole pack rose up into the air, and came flying down upon her:
> she gave a little scream, half of fright and half of anger, and tried to
> beat them off, and found herself lying on the bank, with her head in the lap
> of her sister, who was gently brushing away some dead leaves that had
> fluttered down from the trees upon her face.
>
> 

Are you, through quoting a known pedophile, trying to say that viruses
and malware don't exist?

Alias

Twayne · Jul 13, 2009

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h3fesh$tgc$1@news.eternal-september.org
> Leythos wrote:
>> In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>> iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
>>>> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
>>>>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m
>>>>> not a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
>>>>>
>>>> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS
>>>> OS for as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as
>>>> it's been available, in all that time I've never had any of my own
>>>> computers infected and none of my customers that have managed
>>>> networks have been infected.
>>> Liar.
>>>
>>> Alias
>>
>> I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from
>> his own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.
>>
>
> I see you're using unfounded insults to divert attention away from the
> fact that you're a liar.
>
> As I use Linux, I have no need to secure that which cannot be secured:
> Windows. The only way to keep Windows secure is to not allow Windows
> on the Net. Fact is, your precious Norton CRAP can only detect viruses
> it knows about, not new ones. This is Computer Security 101, sport.
>
> Alias

Actually, that's not true. Whether it's windows, linux or any other OS
it has many holes in it and needs external securing applied.

Norton in fact has several ways of monitoring things and notifying you
if/when there could be viruses or other malware at work. But in
addition to that, the very huge majority of malware IS already known and
several companies actively seek it in many different ways from many
different places.
Most all of the other AV progs ONLY find what they "know about" and
nothing more, and they protect quite well. Not only that, but you might
find it interesting to research WHERE these companies get their lists of
viruses and malware from.
And finally, it takes more than AV to protect a computer. A host of
several things are required in order to do a good job of protection and
securing a system. Linux is no different except it has such a small
installed base in comparison it's not worth scammer/spammer/hackers time
to go after them very strongly. There aren't enough of them to make it
profitable, even though there have been more hacks occurring in the last
year than ever before.
If/when Linux overtakes the market share that MS currently still
enjoys, you'll be saying that same thing about Linux; don't let it on
the 'net. People who think any OS is secure from the git-go are not
only fooling themselves, they are devoid of a well rounded education on
the matters.

HTH,

Twayne`

Leythos · Jul 13, 2009

In article <h3fesh$tgc$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>
> Leythos wrote:
> > In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
> >> Leythos wrote:
> >>> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
> >>> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
> >>>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m not
> >>>> a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
> >>>>
> >>> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS OS for
> >>> as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as it's been
> >>> available, in all that time I've never had any of my own computers
> >>> infected and none of my customers that have managed networks have been
> >>> infected.
> >> Liar.
> >>
> >> Alias
> >
> > I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from
> > his own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.
> > 
>
> I see you're using unfounded insults to divert attention away from the
> fact that you're a liar.

You admitted you have little experience in the real world and you even
admitted all your comments about Vista were before you had even used it
- claiming it was ABC while you had never even ran it on a machine
yourself. You constantly show how little you know about Linux or
Windows, in your own words...

> As I use Linux, I have no need to secure that which cannot be secured:
> Windows. The only way to keep Windows secure is to not allow Windows
> on the Net. Fact is, your precious Norton CRAP can only detect viruses
> it knows about, not new ones. This is Computer Security 101, sport.

And yet your installation can be compromised if you don't follow the
basics of security - and if you do follow them, Windows or Linux, you
won't have any real issues with being compromised.

I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
all known OS platforms.

--
You can't trust your best friends, your five senses, only the little
voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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Alias · Jul 13, 2009

Twayne wrote:
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h3fesh$tgc$1@news.eternal-september.org
>> Leythos wrote:
>>> In article <h3f6hb$vtr$1@news.eternal-september.org>,
>>> iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com says...
>>>> Leythos wrote:
>>>>> In article <15d63900-a71d-4568-a6c9-85135e6c5df2
>>>>> @k26g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>, yerk55@gmail.com says...
>>>>>> This is mostly a rant I guess. I work in IT and I?m a MCP, so I?m
>>>>>> not a total idiot with Windows or PC?s in general.
>>>>>>
>>>>> I've been working with computers for more than 30 years, with MS
>>>>> OS for as long as it's been available, with Windows as long as
>>>>> it's been available, in all that time I've never had any of my own
>>>>> computers infected and none of my customers that have managed
>>>>> networks have been infected.
>>>> Liar.
>>>>
>>>> Alias
>>> I see the resident troll is back trying to divert attention away from
>>> his own failure to learn anything about securing Windows.
>>>
>> I see you're using unfounded insults to divert attention away from the
>> fact that you're a liar.
>>
>> As I use Linux, I have no need to secure that which cannot be secured:
>> Windows. The only way to keep Windows secure is to not allow Windows
>> on the Net. Fact is, your precious Norton CRAP can only detect viruses
>> it knows about, not new ones. This is Computer Security 101, sport.
>>
>> Alias
>
> Actually, that's not true. Whether it's windows, linux or any other OS
> it has many holes in it and needs external securing applied.
>
> Norton in fact has several ways of monitoring things and notifying you
> if/when there could be viruses or other malware at work. But in
> addition to that, the very huge majority of malware IS already known and
> several companies actively seek it in many different ways from many
> different places.
> Most all of the other AV progs ONLY find what they "know about" and
> nothing more, and they protect quite well. Not only that, but you might
> find it interesting to research WHERE these companies get their lists of
> viruses and malware from.
> And finally, it takes more than AV to protect a computer. A host of
> several things are required in order to do a good job of protection and
> securing a system. Linux is no different except it has such a small
> installed base in comparison it's not worth scammer/spammer/hackers time
> to go after them very strongly. There aren't enough of them to make it
> profitable, even though there have been more hacks occurring in the last
> year than ever before.
> If/when Linux overtakes the market share that MS currently still
> enjoys, you'll be saying that same thing about Linux; don't let it on
> the 'net. People who think any OS is secure from the git-go are not
> only fooling themselves, they are devoid of a well rounded education on
> the matters.
>
> HTH,
>
> Twayne`
>
>
> 

Oh, dear. Yet another "Linux has a small 'market share', so malware
writers don't attack it" post. <sigh>
Wrong. Linux machines are highly prized by crackers, but they are much
tougher to write malware for than Windows machines. There are more Linux
servers running the Internet (about 60% according to Ballmer) than
Windows ones, & yet it's always the windoze machines which are
attacked. Why? Because they are easier to crack than Linux ones, &
not because Windows is a "big target".

http://librenix.com/?inode=21

http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1...er-than-windows

Alias

Peter Foldes · Jul 13, 2009

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Alias · Jul 13, 2009

Leythos wrote:

>
> I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
> personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
> all known OS platforms.

Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. And you give humility classes at night school too,
don't you?

Alias

The Real Truth MVP · Jul 13, 2009

Ethics classes.

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"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
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> Leythos wrote:
>
>>
>> I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
>> personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
>> all known OS platforms.
>
> Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. And you give humility classes at night school too,
> don't you?
>
> Alias

SC Tom · Jul 13, 2009

"Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
news:h3gfkl$2t2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> Leythos wrote:
>
>>
>> I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
>> personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
>> all known OS platforms.
>
> Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. And you give humility classes at night school too,
> don't you?
>
> Alias

I'm just curious as to why you doubt what he says. In my 18 years as an
IT/IS tech and manager, I can make the same statement as Leythos. With the
proper procedures, policies, and user education, it's not that hard of a
feat to accomplish. Granted, 18 isn't 30, but I have more of a tendency to
believe him than to disbelieve him.

SC Tom

Leythos · Jul 13, 2009

In article <uHFn1MBBKHA.5020@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl>, sc@tom.net says...
>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h3gfkl$2t2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
> > Leythos wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
> >> personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
> >> all known OS platforms.
> >
> > Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. And you give humility classes at night school too,
> > don't you?
> >
> > Alias
>
> I'm just curious as to why you doubt what he says. In my 18 years as an
> IT/IS tech and manager, I can make the same statement as Leythos. With the
> proper procedures, policies, and user education, it's not that hard of a
> feat to accomplish. Granted, 18 isn't 30, but I have more of a tendency to
> believe him than to disbelieve him.

Like PCBUTTS1, it's in Alias's best interest to not allow the truth to
be presented - Alias was making claims, from his personal experience,
about Vista and then exposed himself when he said he had never installed
it or even used it at that point... He's also exposed himself as having
a very limited experience base, but he claims that his experience is
enough to prove that no person can secure a windows machine and still
use it online....

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Jim Moriarty · Jul 13, 2009

"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:

>> Alias
>
>I'm just curious as to why you doubt what he says. 

I am curious why you waste your time replying to "Alias"? Surely you
know the expatriate fool is only here to annoy people.

Leythos · Jul 13, 2009

In article <07in55lmnsm757fjqmjpunnv0ue0lstuee@4ax.com>,
jmoriarty@aconandoyle.invalid says...
>
> "SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote:
> 
> >> Alias
> >
> >I'm just curious as to why you doubt what he says. 
>
> I am curious why you waste your time replying to "Alias"? Surely you
> know the expatriate fool is only here to annoy people.

Sometime you like to have fun with the fools, making them look more
foolish - and there is always someone willing to believe a fool once in
a while, so it's good to put their lies down as quickly as possible.

--
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voice inside you that most civilians don't even hear -- Listen to that.
Trust yourself.
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The Real Truth MVP · Jul 13, 2009

1. Leythos is a liar
2. Norton is crap.
3. Norton is always 24 hours or more behind in updating its definitions
files for corporate customers compared to lets say McAfee, probably more for
public. In that amount of time your system gets infected. Now because
Symantec gets updated then detects and remove it the system was still
compromised. That is why his statement is a lie.

4. Leythos is a liar.

--
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WARNING Do NOT follow any advice given by the people listed below.
They do NOT have the expertise or knowledge to fix your issue. Do not waste
your time.
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"SC Tom" <sc@tom.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Alias" <iamaliasTAK3THIS@OUTOFHEREgmail.com> wrote in message
> news:h3gfkl$2t2$1@news.eternal-september.org...
>> Leythos wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have never had a computer that I was responsible for, client or
>>> personal, compromised in all my 30+ years of working with computers and
>>> all known OS platforms.
>>
>> Yeah, riiiiiiiiiight. And you give humility classes at night school too,
>> don't you?
>>
>> Alias
>
> I'm just curious as to why you doubt what he says. In my 18 years as an
> IT/IS tech and manager, I can make the same statement as Leythos. With the
> proper procedures, policies, and user education, it's not that hard of a
> feat to accomplish. Granted, 18 isn't 30, but I have more of a tendency to
> believe him than to disbelieve him.
>
> SC Tom
>
>

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