RE: So f’n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

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BearsOMG

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I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware Aniversary
Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes, and Super
Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all the
viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the internet.
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Bueller? Bueller? Bueller?


"unknown" wrote:
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> </span>
 
Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 18:46, BearsOMG escreveu:
<span style="color:blue">
> I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware Aniversary
> Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes, and
> Super Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all
> the viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the
> internet.</span>


i have my network safer without any of that crap.
 
Re: So f’n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
<span style="color:blue">
>I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware Aniversary
>Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes, and Super
>Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all the
>viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the internet.</span>

I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been online
for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a problem.

N O T O N C E !
 
Re: So f’n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:09:29 -0500, Nate Grossman
<nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote:
<span style="color:blue">
> BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
> <span style="color:green">
> >I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware Aniversary
> >Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes, and Super
> >Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all the
> >viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the internet.</span>
>
> I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been online
> for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
> several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a problem.
>
> N O T O N C E !</span>


Good for you. But that's like saying "I drove with NO seat belt
protection for years without incident. I've now been driving WITH my
seat belt on for several years and not ONCE have I had a problem."

I've never had my anti-malware software detect a problem anyway, nor
has my seat belt ever saved my life. But nevertheless I continue to
use both.

If you are careful, you can keep your risk of problems low even
without anti-malware protection. But you can never make it zero. Using
anti-malware software lowers your risk over running without it. Not
using it is foolhardy.

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
Please Reply to the Newsgroup
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Similar to the seatbelt analogy, I think of it like a person walking
around a large city - he can stick to walking round well-lit "decent"
parts of town, or he can venture into far more disreputable corners -
where it's far more likely that you will be the target of many unwanted
solicitations and the victim of a mugging...

There are places on the Internet that ARE hazardous to any unprotected
PC!

Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
click on anything!).

To remain unaffected without any malware protection at all, you would
have to keep to 100% reputable websites and then you'd still need [some]
luck...

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
news:uh2n555ql1iuqomqvo9af7me1d6ro63rku@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue">
> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:09:29 -0500, Nate Grossman
> <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote:
><span style="color:green">
>> BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>><span style="color:darkred">
>> >I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware
>> >Aniversary
>> >Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes,
>> >and Super
>> >Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all
>> >the
>> >viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the
>> >internet.</span>
>>
>> I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been online
>> for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
>> several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a problem.
>>
>> N O T O N C E !</span>
>
>
> Good for you. But that's like saying "I drove with NO seat belt
> protection for years without incident. I've now been driving WITH my
> seat belt on for several years and not ONCE have I had a problem."
>
> I've never had my anti-malware software detect a problem anyway, nor
> has my seat belt ever saved my life. But nevertheless I continue to
> use both.
>
> If you are careful, you can keep your risk of problems low even
> without anti-malware protection. But you can never make it zero. Using
> anti-malware software lowers your risk over running without it. Not
> using it is foolhardy.
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 23:58, Tim Meddick escreveu:<span style="color:blue">
>
> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
> click on anything!).
> </span>
Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't be infected?
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

If you are talking about OS-X (and versions of Linux for many of
today's 'Webbooks') then you should know that Mac users now more than
ever before are becoming the target of writers of malicious code.

For a while, an Operating System that is new and at the 'fringes' of the
mainstream market, won't be targeted.

By definition, it seems, it's the more popular platforms that grab the
attention of the creators of malware.

But no OS is going to escape the attention of these people for ever,
eventually every system comes under attack, one way or another.

There is no such thing as a totally secure platform.

....or were you being humorous ?

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:h3gg09$dop$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:blue">
> Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 23:58, Tim Meddick escreveu:<span style="color:green">
>>
>> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
>> click on anything!).
>></span>
> Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't be infected?
>
> </span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

"Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@gawab.com> wrote:
<span style="color:blue">
>Similar to the seatbelt analogy, I think of it like a person walking
>around a large city - he can stick to walking round well-lit "decent"
>parts of town, or he can venture into far more disreputable corners -
>where it's far more likely that you will be the target of many unwanted
>solicitations and the victim of a mugging...
>
>There are places on the Internet that ARE hazardous to any unprotected
>PC!
>
>Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
>click on anything!).</span>

Except GO there... which I do not do.
<span style="color:blue">
>To remain unaffected without any malware protection at all, you would
>have to keep to 100% reputable websites and then you'd still need [some]
>luck...</span>

I don't click a link just because it's there, and I don't download
software without reviewing it and then only if it's from a reputable
site. OH... and I don't use p2p sharing services.

<span style="color:blue">
>
>==
>
>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>news:uh2n555ql1iuqomqvo9af7me1d6ro63rku@4ax.com...<span style="color:green">
>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:09:29 -0500, Nate Grossman
>> <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote:
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> >I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware
>>> >Aniversary
>>> >Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes,
>>> >and Super
>>> >Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with all
>>> >the
>>> >viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the
>>> >internet.
>>>
>>> I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been online
>>> for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
>>> several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a problem.
>>>
>>> N O T O N C E !</span>
>>
>>
>> Good for you. But that's like saying "I drove with NO seat belt
>> protection for years without incident. I've now been driving WITH my
>> seat belt on for several years and not ONCE have I had a problem."
>>
>> I've never had my anti-malware software detect a problem anyway, nor
>> has my seat belt ever saved my life. But nevertheless I continue to
>> use both.
>>
>> If you are careful, you can keep your risk of problems low even
>> without anti-malware protection. But you can never make it zero. Using
>> anti-malware software lowers your risk over running without it. Not
>> using it is foolhardy.
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup </span>
></span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Yes, well, that's just what I was saying....

If you do try your best to only visit sites of an impeccable reputation,
you can avoid attack by malicious software - indefinitely.

However, most of us like to be able to follow a series of 'links' to
their conclusion - wherever that is. This will inevitably mean that you
will accidentally end up in the 'seedy side of town' once in a while.

This is where AV protection comes in.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"Nate Grossman" <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote in message
news:vcin55durcsc6umtb51kl9s7i0qrrog7ct@4ax.com...<span style="color:blue">
> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@gawab.com> wrote:
><span style="color:green">
>>Similar to the seatbelt analogy, I think of it like a person walking
>>around a large city - he can stick to walking round well-lit "decent"
>>parts of town, or he can venture into far more disreputable corners -
>>where it's far more likely that you will be the target of many
>>unwanted
>>solicitations and the victim of a mugging...
>>
>>There are places on the Internet that ARE hazardous to any
>>unprotected
>>PC!
>>
>>Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>>areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
>>click on anything!).</span>
>
> Except GO there... which I do not do.
><span style="color:green">
>>To remain unaffected without any malware protection at all, you would
>>have to keep to 100% reputable websites and then you'd still need
>>[some]
>>luck...</span>
>
> I don't click a link just because it's there, and I don't download
> software without reviewing it and then only if it's from a reputable
> site. OH... and I don't use p2p sharing services.
>
><span style="color:green">
>>
>>==
>>
>>Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>"Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>news:uh2n555ql1iuqomqvo9af7me1d6ro63rku@4ax.com...<span style="color:darkred">
>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:09:29 -0500, Nate Grossman
>>> <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> >I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware
>>>> >Aniversary
>>>> >Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes,
>>>> >and Super
>>>> >Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with
>>>> >all
>>>> >the
>>>> >viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the
>>>> >internet.
>>>>
>>>> I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been
>>>> online
>>>> for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
>>>> several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a
>>>> problem.
>>>>
>>>> N O T O N C E !
>>>
>>>
>>> Good for you. But that's like saying "I drove with NO seat belt
>>> protection for years without incident. I've now been driving WITH my
>>> seat belt on for several years and not ONCE have I had a problem."
>>>
>>> I've never had my anti-malware software detect a problem anyway, nor
>>> has my seat belt ever saved my life. But nevertheless I continue to
>>> use both.
>>>
>>> If you are careful, you can keep your risk of problems low even
>>> without anti-malware protection. But you can never make it zero.
>>> Using
>>> anti-malware software lowers your risk over running without it. Not
>>> using it is foolhardy.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span>
>> </span></span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Em Terça 14 Julho 2009 00:44, Tim Meddick escreveu:
<span style="color:blue">
> If you are talking about OS-X (and versions of Linux for many of
> today's 'Webbooks') then you should know that Mac users now more than
> ever before are becoming the target of writers of malicious code.</span>
i'm not talking about macs.
<span style="color:blue">
> For a while, an Operating System that is new and at the 'fringes' of the
> mainstream market, won't be targeted.</span>
wrong, most enterprise and internet servers run on linux/unix/solaris and
they old the best goodies in... aren't they tempting targets?
<span style="color:blue">
>
> By definition, it seems, it's the more popular platforms that grab the
> attention of the creators of malware.</span>
wrong again... recently a linux distro was created for palms, this linux
distro is not configured has linux sould be because of the palm's
limitations. a few days later 2 virus appeared specifically written for that
distro. how many people do you think that removes the pré-installed os from
a palm to install a linux distro?
<span style="color:blue">
>
> But no OS is going to escape the attention of these people for ever,
> eventually every system comes under attack, one way or another.</span>
believe it, no OS escape there attention... the diference is that they can
only attack who allows to be attacked.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> There is no such thing as a totally secure platform.</span>
no there isn't, but instead of hiden behing anti-malware programs for live,
some OSs correct the flaws and facilities that malware exploits... doing so,
the problem is solved permanently without the use of anti-malware. and this
is done for every new exploit discovered.
an malware-remover could be seen as a temporary solution only.

<span style="color:blue">
>
> ...or were you being humorous ?</span>
damn serious


<span style="color:blue">
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
> "ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
> news:h3gg09$dop$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:green">
>> Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 23:58, Tim Meddick escreveu:<span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>>> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
>>> click on anything!).
>>></span>
>> Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't be infected?
>>
>></span></span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

My comments were obviously generalizations to an extent - and as such I
stand by them.

Mac users were saying for some time, up until quite recently, how there
OS was virtually free of viruses.

It is a fact that only relatively recently have AV Software vendors
written Mac versions of their software.

When you talk about security issues surrounding servers, it's totally
different, as most viruses depend on interaction with the user for
access.

The discussion was really about safer browsing and malware and viral
attacks, not on the general vulnerability of computer systems to
hacking.

All I was saying was it remains a fact that one is safer visiting only
websites that one is 100% sure of .

You then went on to comment "Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't
be infected?" .

To which I replied "There's no such thing as a totally secure OS.....
or were you being humorous?"

Since you then replied "dead serious" , I ask you what OS do you think
is 100% secure?

Quite frankly I think you are being pedantic, picking at opinions I've
stated here - and pulling them out of context.

What is your point?

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:h3glad$g3g$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:blue">
> Em Terça 14 Julho 2009 00:44, Tim Meddick escreveu:
><span style="color:green">
>> If you are talking about OS-X (and versions of Linux for many of
>> today's 'Webbooks') then you should know that Mac users now more than
>> ever before are becoming the target of writers of malicious code.</span>
> i'm not talking about macs.
><span style="color:green">
>> For a while, an Operating System that is new and at the 'fringes' of
>> the
>> mainstream market, won't be targeted.</span>
> wrong, most enterprise and internet servers run on linux/unix/solaris
> and
> they old the best goodies in... aren't they tempting targets?
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> By definition, it seems, it's the more popular platforms that grab
>> the
>> attention of the creators of malware.</span>
> wrong again... recently a linux distro was created for palms, this
> linux
> distro is not configured has linux sould be because of the palm's
> limitations. a few days later 2 virus appeared specifically written
> for that
> distro. how many people do you think that removes the pré-installed os
> from
> a palm to install a linux distro?
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> But no OS is going to escape the attention of these people for ever,
>> eventually every system comes under attack, one way or another.</span>
> believe it, no OS escape there attention... the diference is that they
> can
> only attack who allows to be attacked.
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> There is no such thing as a totally secure platform.</span>
> no there isn't, but instead of hiden behing anti-malware programs for
> live,
> some OSs correct the flaws and facilities that malware exploits...
> doing so,
> the problem is solved permanently without the use of anti-malware. and
> this
> is done for every new exploit discovered.
> an malware-remover could be seen as a temporary solution only.
>
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> ...or were you being humorous ?</span>
> damn serious
>
>
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
>> news:h3gg09$dop$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:darkred">
>>> Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 23:58, Tim Meddick escreveu:
>>>>
>>>> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>>>> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have
>>>> to
>>>> click on anything!).
>>>>
>>> Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't be infected?
>>>
>>></span></span>
>
> </span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Em Terça 14 Julho 2009 02:23, Tim Meddick escreveu:
<span style="color:blue">
> My comments were obviously generalizations to an extent - and as such I
> stand by them.
>
> Mac users were saying for some time, up until quite recently, how there
> OS was virtually free of viruses.</span>
i'm not a mac user and i don't know any thing about macs...
<span style="color:blue">
>
> It is a fact that only relatively recently have AV Software vendors
> written Mac versions of their software.</span>
so what? there are also linux versions of a lot of AVs, maybe they are
trying to grab a few more clients, but a linux/unix/solaris/bsd user will
only install an AV if he is highly paranoic.

on other hand, if you have a samba server, you might wanna have a AV trying
to keep it clear so that windows clients don't get infected using your
server. for that you'll need an AV ported to the system that holds the samba
server.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> When you talk about security issues surrounding servers, it's totally
> different, as most viruses depend on interaction with the user for
> access.</span>
worms don't, and those are designed to exploit open ports and services
listening at those ports, like all servers have.
<span style="color:blue">
> The discussion was really about safer browsing and malware and viral
> attacks, not on the general vulnerability of computer systems to
> hacking.</span>
all things are connected, you do safer browsing with a safer OS. not to
mention faster also...
<span style="color:blue">
>
> All I was saying was it remains a fact that one is safer visiting only
> websites that one is 100% sure of .</span>
what's the fun of that? it's like doing a google search but can't click on
any of the results...

<span style="color:blue">
>
> You then went on to comment "Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't
> be infected?" .
>
> To which I replied "There's no such thing as a totally secure OS.....
> or were you being humorous?"
>
> Since you then replied "dead serious" , I ask you what OS do you think
> is 100% secure?</span>
i've put several non-windows systems in users the most dumber you can
imagine, they have adapt quickly to the diferent system and so far none of
them was able to infect the system i've installed and configured. some of
them are using linux for 5 years now. none of them have an AV installed.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> Quite frankly I think you are being pedantic, picking at opinions I've
> stated here - and pulling them out of context.</span>
out of context? you're the one that sayd that windows is more targeted
because it's the most used... that's the opinion of most people but they are
wrong.
it's easy to create malware for windows, while for other systems it's almost
impossible... that fact is: the easier way to trash a non-windows
instalation with a virus is to create a virus that runs on windows and
delete any partition unknown to the windows system. that of course can only
happen in a multi-boot system.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> What is your point?</span>
the same:
don't fight malware with anti-malware... it's useless.

the battle malware/anti-malware was won by malware long ago
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Any OS can be infected. Are you forgetting where the "Original" Rootkit came
from. It was derived from Unix type systems and adapted to Windows. Any OS
that has any weakness that can be exploited (and ALL of them do) cam come
under attack. The better OS companies correct the weakness in the OS and do
not rely on third party malware programs to do their jobs.

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Your Installation Specialist
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"ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:h3gg09$dop$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:blue">
> Em Segunda 13 Julho 2009 23:58, Tim Meddick escreveu:<span style="color:green">
>>
>> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have to
>> click on anything!).
>></span>
> Aren't you forgetting that good OSs can't be infected?
>
> </span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Em Terça 14 Julho 2009 05:15, Randem escreveu:
<span style="color:blue">
> Any OS can be infected. Are you forgetting where the "Original" Rootkit
> came from. </span>
It doesn't work any more.

<span style="color:blue">
> It was derived from Unix type systems and adapted to Windows.</span>
the first virus was writen for unix, sure... in the time microsoft was still
writing the basic interpreter for the type Z processors.
<span style="color:blue">
> Any OS that has any weakness that can be exploited (and ALL of them do)</span>
don't be so sure about that. there are OSs that right now have all the
weakness known so far corrected. Unless you find a new one, you can't attack
it... most malware writers relly on simple tricks that exploit weakness
found by others.
<span style="color:blue">
> cam come under attack. The better OS companies correct the weakness in the
> OS and do not rely on third party malware programs to do their jobs.</span>
oh, there you go. this last frase says it all.
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

"Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@gawab.com> wrote in message
news:%23aIQxfBBKHA.4336@TK2MSFTNGP04.phx.gbl<span style="color:blue">
> Yes, well, that's just what I was saying....
>
> If you do try your best to only visit sites of an impeccable
> reputation, you can avoid attack by malicious software - indefinitely.</span>

Well, "maybe", and from ONLY that type of source. There are many ways
malware can enter a machine other than from a web site. Then you have
the issues such as recently occurred where places like CNET, ESPN, etc,
were hacked and sending malware out. Nothing is perfect, but it can be
helped a lot by judicious surfing and tools to combat malware. One
should never, ever enter a known "bad boy" site for any reason.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> However, most of us like to be able to follow a series of 'links' to
> their conclusion - wherever that is. This will inevitably mean that
> you will accidentally end up in the 'seedy side of town' once in a
> while.</span>

Very true.
<span style="color:blue">
>
> This is where AV protection comes in.</span>

Absolutely!
It also works to cover all all the other accessible methods, including
unintentionall downloading malware with a legitimate download. They're
getting better at it every day and it won't end soon.

HTH,

Twayne`

<span style="color:blue">
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
> "Nate Grossman" <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote in message
> news:vcin55durcsc6umtb51kl9s7i0qrrog7ct@4ax.com...<span style="color:green">
>> "Tim Meddick" <timmeddick@gawab.com> wrote:
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> Similar to the seatbelt analogy, I think of it like a person walking
>>> around a large city - he can stick to walking round well-lit
>>> "decent" parts of town, or he can venture into far more
>>> disreputable corners - where it's far more likely that you will be
>>> the target of many unwanted
>>> solicitations and the victim of a mugging...
>>>
>>> There are places on the Internet that ARE hazardous to any
>>> unprotected
>>> PC!
>>>
>>> Without AV protection ANY PC will get infected if you go to certain
>>> areas of the web and just "visit" those sites (you don't even have
>>> to click on anything!).</span>
>>
>> Except GO there... which I do not do.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> To remain unaffected without any malware protection at all, you
>>> would have to keep to 100% reputable websites and then you'd still
>>> need [some]
>>> luck...</span>
>>
>> I don't click a link just because it's there, and I don't download
>> software without reviewing it and then only if it's from a reputable
>> site. OH... and I don't use p2p sharing services.
>>
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> ==
>>>
>>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> "Ken Blake, MVP" <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote in message
>>> news:uh2n555ql1iuqomqvo9af7me1d6ro63rku@4ax.com...
>>>> On Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:09:29 -0500, Nate Grossman
>>>> <nategrossmann@stvryn.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> BearsOMG <BearsOMG@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> I manage to keep my computer safe by having AVG 8.5, Ad-Aware
>>>>>> Aniversary
>>>>>> Edition, Spybot Search and Destroy, SpywareBlaster, Malwarebytes,
>>>>>> and Super
>>>>>> Anti spyware. It may seem like a lot, but it helps so much with
>>>>>> all
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> viruses. Spywareblaster and AVG help with the viruses from the
>>>>>> internet.
>>>>>
>>>>> I ran with NO protection for years without incident (have been
>>>>> online
>>>>> for nearly 18 years). I've now been running WITH protection for
>>>>> several years, and not ONCE has that "protection" detected a
>>>>> problem.
>>>>>
>>>>> N O T O N C E !
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Good for you. But that's like saying "I drove with NO seat belt
>>>> protection for years without incident. I've now been driving WITH
>>>> my seat belt on for several years and not ONCE have I had a
>>>> problem." I've never had my anti-malware software detect a problem
>>>> anyway,
>>>> nor has my seat belt ever saved my life. But nevertheless I
>>>> continue to use both.
>>>>
>>>> If you are careful, you can keep your risk of problems low even
>>>> without anti-malware protection. But you can never make it zero.
>>>> Using
>>>> anti-malware software lowers your risk over running without it. Not
>>>> using it is foolhardy.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience
>>>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup</span></span></span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

Arame,
What on earth are you on about? (Or even; "What on earth are
you on?")

Trying to "chase" up on every point I make in my posts and then
"picking" at them.

I purposely made statements that were purely opinions but you still
"have a go" at them, point-by-point, when they were obviously just
that - opinions.

People's opinions are their own, it is pedantic and futile to treat
someone's opinions as if it they were facts that could possibly be
either right or wrong - they can't!

I'm sure you'll have a go at this reply also, well, be my guest..., but
you're on your own now....

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:h3gq93$ea2$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:blue">
> Em Terça 14 Julho 2009 02:23, Tim Meddick escreveu:
><span style="color:green">
>> My comments were obviously generalizations to an extent - and as such
>> I
>> stand by them.
>>
>> Mac users were saying for some time, up until quite recently, how
>> there
>> OS was virtually free of viruses.</span>
> i'm not a mac user and i don't know any thing about macs...
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> It is a fact that only relatively recently have AV Software vendors
>> written Mac versions of their software.</span>
> so what? there are also linux versions of a lot of AVs, maybe they are
> trying to grab a few more clients, but a linux/unix/solaris/bsd user
> will
> only install an AV if he is highly paranoic.
>
> on other hand, if you have a samba server, you might wanna have a AV
> trying
> to keep it clear so that windows clients don't get infected using your
> server. for that you'll need an AV ported to the system that holds the
> samba
> server.
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> When you talk about security issues surrounding servers, it's totally
>> different, as most viruses depend on interaction with the user for
>> access.</span>
> worms don't, and those are designed to exploit open ports and services
> listening at those ports, like all servers have.
><span style="color:green">
>> The discussion was really about safer browsing and malware and viral
>> attacks, not on the general vulnerability of computer systems to
>> hacking.</span>
> all things are connected, you do safer browsing with a safer OS. not
> to
> mention faster also...
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> All I was saying was it remains a fact that one is safer visiting
>> only
>> websites that one is 100% sure of .</span>
> what's the fun of that? it's like doing a google search but can't
> click on
> any of the results...
>
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> You then went on to comment "Aren't you forgetting that good OSs
>> can't
>> be infected?" .
>>
>> To which I replied "There's no such thing as a totally secure OS.....
>> or were you being humorous?"
>>
>> Since you then replied "dead serious" , I ask you what OS do you
>> think
>> is 100% secure?</span>
> i've put several non-windows systems in users the most dumber you can
> imagine, they have adapt quickly to the diferent system and so far
> none of
> them was able to infect the system i've installed and configured. some
> of
> them are using linux for 5 years now. none of them have an AV
> installed.
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> Quite frankly I think you are being pedantic, picking at opinions
>> I've
>> stated here - and pulling them out of context.</span>
> out of context? you're the one that sayd that windows is more targeted
> because it's the most used... that's the opinion of most people but
> they are
> wrong.
> it's easy to create malware for windows, while for other systems it's
> almost
> impossible... that fact is: the easier way to trash a non-windows
> instalation with a virus is to create a virus that runs on windows and
> delete any partition unknown to the windows system. that of course can
> only
> happen in a multi-boot system.
><span style="color:green">
>>
>> What is your point?</span>
> the same:
> don't fight malware with anti-malware... it's useless.
>
> the battle malware/anti-malware was won by malware long ago
>
>
> </span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

So, you're a spoiled child that doesn't accept that somebody tells you
you're wrong, a since you've allways run away from any of my statements,
that makes you a coward also

bye, and keep you stupid opinions to yourself next time


Em Quinta 16 Julho 2009 02:11, Tim Meddick escreveu:
<span style="color:blue">
> Arame,
> What on earth are you on about? (Or even; "What on earth are
> you on?")
>
> Trying to "chase" up on every point I make in my posts and then
> "picking" at them.
>
> I purposely made statements that were purely opinions but you still
> "have a go" at them, point-by-point, when they were obviously just
> that - opinions.
>
> People's opinions are their own, it is pedantic and futile to treat
> someone's opinions as if it they were facts that could possibly be
> either right or wrong - they can't!
>
> I'm sure you'll have a go at this reply also, well, be my guest..., but
> you're on your own now....
>
> ==
>
> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>
>
>
>
> "ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
> news:h3gq93$ea2$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:green">
>> Em Ter�a 14 Julho 2009 02:23, Tim Meddick escreveu:
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> My comments were obviously generalizations to an extent - and as such
>>> I
>>> stand by them.
>>>
>>> Mac users were saying for some time, up until quite recently, how
>>> there
>>> OS was virtually free of viruses.</span>
>> i'm not a mac user and i don't know any thing about macs...
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> It is a fact that only relatively recently have AV Software vendors
>>> written Mac versions of their software.</span>
>> so what? there are also linux versions of a lot of AVs, maybe they are
>> trying to grab a few more clients, but a linux/unix/solaris/bsd user
>> will
>> only install an AV if he is highly paranoic.
>>
>> on other hand, if you have a samba server, you might wanna have a AV
>> trying
>> to keep it clear so that windows clients don't get infected using your
>> server. for that you'll need an AV ported to the system that holds the
>> samba
>> server.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> When you talk about security issues surrounding servers, it's totally
>>> different, as most viruses depend on interaction with the user for
>>> access.</span>
>> worms don't, and those are designed to exploit open ports and services
>> listening at those ports, like all servers have.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> The discussion was really about safer browsing and malware and viral
>>> attacks, not on the general vulnerability of computer systems to
>>> hacking.</span>
>> all things are connected, you do safer browsing with a safer OS. not
>> to
>> mention faster also...
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> All I was saying was it remains a fact that one is safer visiting
>>> only
>>> websites that one is 100% sure of .</span>
>> what's the fun of that? it's like doing a google search but can't
>> click on
>> any of the results...
>>
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> You then went on to comment "Aren't you forgetting that good OSs
>>> can't
>>> be infected?" .
>>>
>>> To which I replied "There's no such thing as a totally secure OS.....
>>> or were you being humorous?"
>>>
>>> Since you then replied "dead serious" , I ask you what OS do you
>>> think
>>> is 100% secure?</span>
>> i've put several non-windows systems in users the most dumber you can
>> imagine, they have adapt quickly to the diferent system and so far
>> none of
>> them was able to infect the system i've installed and configured. some
>> of
>> them are using linux for 5 years now. none of them have an AV
>> installed.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> Quite frankly I think you are being pedantic, picking at opinions
>>> I've
>>> stated here - and pulling them out of context.</span>
>> out of context? you're the one that sayd that windows is more targeted
>> because it's the most used... that's the opinion of most people but
>> they are
>> wrong.
>> it's easy to create malware for windows, while for other systems it's
>> almost
>> impossible... that fact is: the easier way to trash a non-windows
>> instalation with a virus is to create a virus that runs on windows and
>> delete any partition unknown to the windows system. that of course can
>> only
>> happen in a multi-boot system.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>>
>>> What is your point?</span>
>> the same:
>> don't fight malware with anti-malware... it's useless.
>>
>> the battle malware/anti-malware was won by malware long ago
>>
>>
>></span></span>
 
Re: So f'n sick of viruses from just surfing the web!

I would have said the same thing to you, however, we are living in a
free country(s).

....and at least I am a polite child.

Have a nice day.

==

Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)




"ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
news:h3m0rl$n34$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:blue">
> So, you're a spoiled child that doesn't accept that somebody tells you
> you're wrong, a since you've allways run away from any of my
> statements,
> that makes you a coward also
>
> bye, and keep you stupid opinions to yourself next time
>
>
> Em Quinta 16 Julho 2009 02:11, Tim Meddick escreveu:
><span style="color:green">
>> Arame,
>> What on earth are you on about? (Or even; "What on earth
>> are
>> you on?")
>>
>> Trying to "chase" up on every point I make in my posts and then
>> "picking" at them.
>>
>> I purposely made statements that were purely opinions but you still
>> "have a go" at them, point-by-point, when they were obviously just
>> that - opinions.
>>
>> People's opinions are their own, it is pedantic and futile to treat
>> someone's opinions as if it they were facts that could possibly be
>> either right or wrong - they can't!
>>
>> I'm sure you'll have a go at this reply also, well, be my guest...,
>> but
>> you're on your own now....
>>
>> ==
>>
>> Cheers, Tim Meddick, Peckham, London. :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> "ArameFarpado" <a-farpado.spam@netcabo.pt> wrote in message
>> news:h3gq93$ea2$1@news.eternal-september.org...<span style="color:darkred">
>>> Em Ter?a 14 Julho 2009 02:23, Tim Meddick escreveu:
>>>
>>>> My comments were obviously generalizations to an extent - and as
>>>> such
>>>> I
>>>> stand by them.
>>>>
>>>> Mac users were saying for some time, up until quite recently, how
>>>> there
>>>> OS was virtually free of viruses.
>>> i'm not a mac user and i don't know any thing about macs...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> It is a fact that only relatively recently have AV Software vendors
>>>> written Mac versions of their software.
>>> so what? there are also linux versions of a lot of AVs, maybe they
>>> are
>>> trying to grab a few more clients, but a linux/unix/solaris/bsd user
>>> will
>>> only install an AV if he is highly paranoic.
>>>
>>> on other hand, if you have a samba server, you might wanna have a AV
>>> trying
>>> to keep it clear so that windows clients don't get infected using
>>> your
>>> server. for that you'll need an AV ported to the system that holds
>>> the
>>> samba
>>> server.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> When you talk about security issues surrounding servers, it's
>>>> totally
>>>> different, as most viruses depend on interaction with the user for
>>>> access.
>>> worms don't, and those are designed to exploit open ports and
>>> services
>>> listening at those ports, like all servers have.
>>>
>>>> The discussion was really about safer browsing and malware and
>>>> viral
>>>> attacks, not on the general vulnerability of computer systems to
>>>> hacking.
>>> all things are connected, you do safer browsing with a safer OS. not
>>> to
>>> mention faster also...
>>>
>>>>
>>>> All I was saying was it remains a fact that one is safer visiting
>>>> only
>>>> websites that one is 100% sure of .
>>> what's the fun of that? it's like doing a google search but can't
>>> click on
>>> any of the results...
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> You then went on to comment "Aren't you forgetting that good OSs
>>>> can't
>>>> be infected?" .
>>>>
>>>> To which I replied "There's no such thing as a totally secure
>>>> OS.....
>>>> or were you being humorous?"
>>>>
>>>> Since you then replied "dead serious" , I ask you what OS do you
>>>> think
>>>> is 100% secure?
>>> i've put several non-windows systems in users the most dumber you
>>> can
>>> imagine, they have adapt quickly to the diferent system and so far
>>> none of
>>> them was able to infect the system i've installed and configured.
>>> some
>>> of
>>> them are using linux for 5 years now. none of them have an AV
>>> installed.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Quite frankly I think you are being pedantic, picking at opinions
>>>> I've
>>>> stated here - and pulling them out of context.
>>> out of context? you're the one that sayd that windows is more
>>> targeted
>>> because it's the most used... that's the opinion of most people but
>>> they are
>>> wrong.
>>> it's easy to create malware for windows, while for other systems
>>> it's
>>> almost
>>> impossible... that fact is: the easier way to trash a non-windows
>>> instalation with a virus is to create a virus that runs on windows
>>> and
>>> delete any partition unknown to the windows system. that of course
>>> can
>>> only
>>> happen in a multi-boot system.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> What is your point?
>>> the same:
>>> don't fight malware with anti-malware... it's useless.
>>>
>>> the battle malware/anti-malware was won by malware long ago
>>>
>>>
>>></span></span>
>
> </span>
 

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