Right-Wing Anti-Immigration Movement Spurs Hate: "Hate Group Count Reaches 844 in 2006"

[Herb Martin]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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>>> "Rudy Canoza" <pipes@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
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>>>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <pipes@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <pipes@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>>>> the liar timmmmmmie crawley lied:
>>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 11:20 am, "Steve" <st...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> "TimothyCrowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> news:1184614152.563915.179000@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 10:07 am, "Steve" <st...@nospam.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> How about ending illegal immigration and taking away the issue
>>>>>>>>>>>> they are
>>>>>>>>>>>> rallying around.-
>>>>>>>>>>> We had a bill that would have made great strives in doing so.
>>>>>>>>>>> The anti-
>>>>>>>>>>> immigration kkkult proved they don't care whether it's legal or
>>>>>>>>>>> illegal, most of 'em are just filled with hate and fear.
>>>>>>>>>> The immigration bill?? It wouldn't have done anything except
>>>>>>>>>> create a huge
>>>>>>>>>> amnesty incentive
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Actually, there was NO amnesty provision in that bill.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It was an amnesty bill. It removed all criminal penalties for the
>>>>>>>> crime the illegal immigrants committed when they came here. That
>>>>>>>> is amnesty.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So what? We have somewhere around 20 million illegals in this
>>>>>>> country. You cannot come up with a scheme to get rid of them all, so
>>>>>>> live with the fact that they will be here as long as they want to be
>>>>>>> here, and they are not caught.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It doesn't have to be that way, but that's not my point. My point is
>>>>>> to demonstrate that the failed immigration "reform" bill was, indeed,
>>>>>> an amnesty bill.
>>>>>
>>>>> Big deal. It solves nothing.....
>>>>
>>>> Recognizing that it was an amnesty will have implications for future
>>>> efforts. Americans do not want a blatant amnesty.
>>>
>>> A phony argument. It does not matter whether it was "amnesty" or it was
>>> not "amesty". the simple fact is there are some 20 million of them in
>>> this country, with more coming every day. You either figure out a way
>>> to get rid of them (a mission impossible task in itself), or you learn
>>> to live with the fact that they are here, and the odds are they are here
>>> as long as they want to be here.
>>
>> It would be fairly straight forward to stop this and to arrange for them
>> to self-deport
>> in 90% of the cases.
>
> How?
>>
>> Make it impossible for them to get a job or to get ANY services beyond
>> immediate (medical) emergencies services.
>
> How do you make it "impossible" for them to get a job?
>>
>> Provide transportation for those who cannot afford to leave.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Oh great, we spend money for transportation, and they just turn right
> around and re-enter the country illegally again....great solution.....

Not if there are NO JOBS. That is easy:

Fine Employers:

$100 first offense for each illegal
$1000 second offense for each illegal
$10000 third offense for each illegal
2 years prison for every Executive and Hiring Manager in the chain
of
authority for each subsequent offense for each illegal

Disallow ALL non-emergency services for illegals also. Set the broken
arm sends those with long term illnesses HOME.

 

[Herb Martin]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "Herb Martin" <news@learnquick.com> wrote in message
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>>>> timmmmmmmie crawley wrote a meaningless load of ****:
>>>>
>>>> [snip timmmmmmmmie's meaningless ****]
>>>>
>>>> Try this instead, timmmmmmmmie:
>>>>
>>>> Taking a pragmatic view on a divisive issue, a large majority of
>>>> Americans want to change the immigration laws to allow illegal
>>>> immigrants to gain legal status and to create a new guest worker
>>>> program to meet future labor demand, the poll found.
>>>>
>>>> At the same time, Americans have mixed feelings about whether the
>>>> recent wave of immigration has been beneficial to the country, the
>>>> survey found, and they are sharply divided over how open the United
>>>> States should be to future immigrants.
>>>>
>>>> Half of all Americans say they are ready to transform the process for
>>>> selecting new immigrants as proposed in the bill, giving priority to
>>>> job skills and education levels over family ties to the United States,
>>>> which have been the foundation of the immigration system for four
>>>> decades.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Two-thirds of those polled said illegal immigrants who have a good
>>>> employment history and no criminal record should gain legal status as
>>>> the bill proposes: by paying at least $5,000 in fines and fees and
>>>> receiving a renewable four-year visa.
>>>>
>>>> [...]
>>>>
>>>> Most of those polled agreed that illegal immigrants should eventually
>>>> be allowed to apply to become American citizens. But 59 percent said
>>>> that former illegal immigrants should be considered for citizenship
>>>> only after legal immigrants who have played by the rules.
>>>>
>>>> http://www.nytimes.com/2007/05/24/u...tml?ex=1185076800&en=5cc5fe3620f64eb1&ei=5070
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> So, it is, of course, not as clear cut as the liar timmmmmmmmmie
>>>> crawley wants to pretend. The key element in the Times's story is that
>>>> Americans DO NOT want family reunification to be the goal of
>>>> immigration laws, which means that unskilled Juan who manages to gain
>>>> citizenship (because of amnesty) can now easily bring in Pedro and
>>>> Lupe. Instead, Americans want the value of potential immigrants TO
>>>> AMERICA to be the primary consideration.
>>>>
>>>> In addition, while a majority of Americans want to be fair and generous
>>>> with those illegal immigrants already here, they do NOT intend for
>>>> the amnesty to cause the flood to continue. Generosity toward those
>>>> already here; SLAM THE DOOR on those who might attempt to enter
>>>> illegally in future.
>>>>
>>>> You are wrong, timmmmmmmmmie - Americans DO NOT WANT illegal
>>>> immigration to continue as it has been.
>>>
>>> This is real simple to understand. People come to this country because
>>> they think they have a shot at a better life in the United States vs.
>>> the country of their birth. No society has been able to figure out a
>>> way to prevent people from doing what they want to do.
>>
>> Make what "they want to do" more expensive than the benefit.
>
> Nice idea, how do you do that? "If" you lived in Mexico, and you and your
> family can hardly have the food you need to survive, how much worse can
> you make it in the United States, for them not to want to come here?
>>
>> Remove the attraction (no jobs or services.)
>
> How do you do that?

See above but escalating Fines and eventually Jail for repeat employers

>> Remove the automatic citizenship for children born of those not legally
>> in the US (i.e., not under the authority of the US.)
>>
>>
>
> How does that solve the problem?


It doesn't solve the whole problem but it solves one of the sub-issues and
problems, and reduces the overall motivation.

> What percentage of illegals are here with children? Certainly not 100% of
> them. Besides, it goes back to the same basic question. If you do not
> have the means to take care of your family needs in say Mexico, are you
> bringing your family to the United States just so any child born here
> becomes a citizen, or are you bringing your family to the United States
> because you have a better chance of providing them with the means to
> survive?

 

[Timothy Crowley]

On Jul 21, 5:01 pm, "Herb Martin" <n...@learnquick.com> wrote:
> "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj...@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> >>> "Rudy Canoza" <pi...@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
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> >>>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
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> >>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <pi...@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
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> >>>>>> Jerry Okamura wrote:
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> >>>>>>> "Rudy Canoza" <pi...@thedismalscience.net> wrote in message
> >>>>>>>news:sR6oi.8783$rR.6379@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
> >>>>>>>> the liar timmmmmmie crawley lied:
> >>>>>>>>> On Jul 17, 11:20 am, "Steve" <st...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>> "TimothyCrowley" <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> >>>>>>>>>>news:1184614152.563915.179000@d30g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
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> >>>>>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 10:07 am, "Steve" <st...@nospam.net> wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>> How about ending illegal immigration and taking away the issue
> >>>>>>>>>>>> they are
> >>>>>>>>>>>> rallying around.-
> >>>>>>>>>>> We had a bill that would have made great strives in doing so.
> >>>>>>>>>>> The anti-
> >>>>>>>>>>> immigration kkkult proved they don't care whether it's legal or
> >>>>>>>>>>> illegal, most of 'em are just filled with hate and fear.
> >>>>>>>>>> The immigration bill?? It wouldn't have done anything except
> >>>>>>>>>> create a huge
> >>>>>>>>>> amnesty incentive
>
> >>>>>>>>> Actually, there was NO amnesty provision in that bill.
>
> >>>>>>>> It was an amnesty bill. It removed all criminal penalties for the
> >>>>>>>> crime the illegal immigrants committed when they came here. That
> >>>>>>>> is amnesty.
>
> >>>>>>> So what? We have somewhere around 20 million illegals in this
> >>>>>>> country. You cannot come up with a scheme to get rid of them all, so
> >>>>>>> live with the fact that they will be here as long as they want to be
> >>>>>>> here, and they are not caught.
>
> >>>>>> It doesn't have to be that way, but that's not my point. My point is
> >>>>>> to demonstrate that the failed immigration "reform" bill was, indeed,
> >>>>>> an amnesty bill.
>
> >>>>> Big deal. It solves nothing.....
>
> >>>> Recognizing that it was an amnesty will have implications for future
> >>>> efforts. Americans do not want a blatant amnesty.
>
> >>> A phony argument. It does not matter whether it was "amnesty" or it was
> >>> not "amesty". the simple fact is there are some 20 million of them in
> >>> this country, with more coming every day. You either figure out a way
> >>> to get rid of them (a mission impossible task in itself), or you learn
> >>> to live with the fact that they are here, and the odds are they are here
> >>> as long as they want to be here.
>
> >> It would be fairly straight forward to stop this and to arrange for them
> >> to self-deport
> >> in 90% of the cases.
>
> > How?
>
> >> Make it impossible for them to get a job or to get ANY services beyond
> >> immediate (medical) emergencies services.
>
> > How do you make it "impossible" for them to get a job?
>
> >> Provide transportation for those who cannot afford to leave.
>
> > Oh great, we spend money for transportation, and they just turn right
> > around and re-enter the country illegally again....great solution.....
>
> Not if there are NO JOBS. That is easy:
>
> Fine Employers:
>
> $100 first offense for each illegal
> $1000 second offense for each illegal
> $10000 third offense for each illegal
> 2 years prison for every Executive and Hiring Manager in the chain
> of
> authority for each subsequent offense for each illegal
>
> Disallow ALL non-emergency services for illegals also. Set the broken
> arm sends those with long term illnesses HOME.

How many elected officials have you found that will support such a
bill?