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Pastor Frank wrote:
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>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>
>>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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>>>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message
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>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they
>>>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence
>>>>>>and never do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that
>>>>>Bill's
>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>>>>>become
>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the
>>>>>cross
>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John
>>>>>14:6-10)
>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
>>>>>John 3:3)
>>>>
>>>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to
>>>>explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and
>>>>operations of Nature.
>>>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination,
>>>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every
>>>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of
>>>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the
>>>>"gods" in THEIR minds.
>>>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god"
>>>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as
>>>>models.
>>>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men.
>>>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her
>>>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by
>>>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare
>>>>that such a being does not have any existence in reality.
>>>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein
>>>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person
>>>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating
>>>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal
>>>>cosmic process itself.
>>>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist
>>>>
> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>
>>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
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>>>
>>>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>"Andrew" <thecroft@macunlimited.net> wrote in message
>>>>>news:2007110718563716807-thecroft@macunlimitednet...
>>>>>
>>>>>>On 2007-11-06 19:11:36 +0000, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Religious wackos will not face up to objective evidence because they
>>>>>>>rely on religious beliefs to assuage their panic fear of the finality
>>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>death.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>So you say Bill - but you keep promising to supply oibjective evidence
>>>>>>and never do.
>>>>>
>>>>> Bill doesn't need "objective evidence", for we all agree, that
>>>>>Bill's
>>>>>gods don't exist. However our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16)
>>>>>become
>>>>>fully manifested in Jesus Christ giving His life for us sinners on the
>>>>>cross
>>>>>of Calvary. We therefore know our God and have seen Him. (Jesus in John
>>>>>14:6-10)
>>>>> Atheists don't know our God and therefore cannot see Him, (Jesus in
>>>>>John 3:3)
>>>>
>>>>===>The truth is, "Gods" are the original hypotheses created by humans to
>>>>explain their world by personifying, anthropomorphizing the forces and
>>>>operations of Nature.
>>>>Hundreds of different "gods" were thus created by human imagination,
>>>>just as today there is a "god" being created in the mind of every
>>>>believer who typically uses some models derived from the writings of
>>>>previous believers and/or the description preachers give of the
>>>>"gods" in THEIR minds.
>>>>You say "our" God, but he is only YOURS, you developed that "love god"
>>>>inside your head, using some vague statements from the Bible as
>>>>models.
>>>>Thus, all gods are the creations of men.
>>>>By believers, each of whom creates one to his/her own liking in his/her
>>>>own mind, with whom they can have a "personal relationship, or by
>>>>"atheists" who also create one to their own disliking, which they declare
>>>>that such a being does not have any existence in reality.
>>>>The only meaningful concept of a "God" is the one Albert Einstein
>>>>called "Spinoza's God", which is not some anthropomorphic person
>>>>(or three piece suit) in "heaven", nor some "spirit" permeating
>>>>Nature, but is Nature, the cosmic totality of all existence, the eternal
>>>>cosmic process itself.
>>>>By definition, there can be no being, no power, nothing that could exist
>>>>
