Stay the course

Crispy Critter

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The naysayers use the following argument:

The administration took us to war on faulty intelligence...in fact; they fabricated or embellished intelligence to take the country to war... The administration has no creditability and even outed an undercover CIA agent...

We don’t have a plan to get out... We don’t have a victory plan... So, we should cut our losses!

The administration, thinking the folks on the left will be laughed off the stage fails to react for a couple weeks allowing the comedy shows to paint the guilt portrayed on the administration... The administration, realizing the public is susceptible to liberal talking point lies repeated often enough to have creditability refutes the allegations on the basis of war but continues to not speak on open investigation of the outing of the CIA agent.

Enter War Hero congressman... How about we leave now? Let’s take our troops out of harm’s way and watch the Iraqi government fight the insurgents in Kuwait and help them “if” they need help.

So the people have a choice to make... what is one to believe? Cut and run or “stay the course”?

Let’s look at the problem objectively... The congress voted overwhelmingly to give GWB administration the authority to do exactly what he did. They placed no restrictions on his method. They have voted to support with funds the actions since the first bomb fell. The War plan, according to Bush administration, is to allow battlefield commanders to run the war, establish an Iraqi government, train their security force and leave when the security force can properly operate. (Assumed is that the force must be able to protect borders from Syria, Turkey and Iran in addition to protecting the Iraqi population.) That sounds like a plan! The National Intelligence Statement provided to the Congress supported the war action. There was no fabrication of intelligence or lie for a reason to go to war. The elected officials of both parties actually believed we should go to war with Iraq. To argue that Bush fooled them actually makes them a bigger FOOL!

OK, then why cut and run talk by a Democratic war hero? Is his position supporting Bush lied? Bush administration outed a CIA agent? Where does the traction to leave after such an investment of soldiers and tax dollars come from?

Recent news indicates the outing of a CIA agent was more like Nancy Peloicy being married to Dennis Kusinish, with Nancy working a desk job at CIA and sending Dennis to confirm Iraq didn’t want any yellow cake from Africa and nothing to do with an actual outing of a CIA agent.

So, what’s the thing that grabs the American public to change thinking on the war? One can only think the casualties. After all we don’t have an exit strategy for Korea, Germany or Bosnia Hertsokovina either and the public doesn’t seem to care. One can conclude a majority thinks that GWB outsmarted our stupid republican and democratic senators and congressmen... he lied about why war was necessary. He is covering for a person who outed a CIA agent and therefore we should cut and run.

If such thought is logical then why did he do it? If he was smart enough to fool a thousand lawyers in Congress by using “made up” intelligence and punishing opposing points of view why didn’t he plant some WMD to include yellow cake in Iraq to insure no one doubted the reasoning? Only a liberal can justify being fooled by an idiot from Texas yet can’t explain why he stopped being so smart to continue his plan to feed big oil.

So if Bush did it on purpose he had to be pretty cunning... don’t you think he could have made a lot more money using such brilliance in a way that left him looking a little better? Are wars to have no casualties, or less than ten to be acceptable? Would we tell the Army to cut and run if the terrorist were doing the bombing in American weddings, funerals and stores and against our police stations?
 
For a stupid old hick cowboy he sure is pretty slick isn't he.:rolleyes:


Excellently said!!
 
Very nice!

I think it's safe to say that after 2008 is over the Bush presidency will not be considered a sucess. You can mark that down as the "duh" statement of the day.
 
I don't belive in the conspiracy theories being injected into the WMD issue. If you remove yourself from your own political loyalties then I think it becomes obvious that American intelligence is a broke down machine. However that does not exclude Bush from bearing blame as he is our 'leader', and leaders take responsibility even for mistakes made underneath them.
Personaly i'm not the least bit disapointed that America has removed Sadaam and staked a firm foot in this region. It will come into play soon as we make our move on other fronts.
 
italiano_Pride said:
Very nice!

I think it's safe to say that after 2008 is over the Bush presidency will not be considered a sucess. You can mark that down as the "duh" statement of the day.
Guess you should listen to some fireside chats and hear the rest of the story without depending on left news and late-nite comedy to base your analysis on.
 
Crispy Critter said:
Guess you should listen to some fireside chats and hear the rest of the story without depending on left news and late-nite comedy to base your analysis on.


By default your proclaiming Bushs presidency to be a sucess. What is it he has suceeded in?
 
Jhony5 said:
By default your proclaiming Bushs presidency to be a sucess. What is it he has suceeded in?
During his administration he reduced taxes that saved the economy in the aftermath of 9-11, Katrina and much more. Unemployment is at an unbelieveably level... The countries growth constantly outperforms EU and the world... After 9-11 we freed Afghanistan.... after more than twelve years and 16 UN resolutions we freed Iraq form a brutal dictator... More movements towards peace in Israel have occurred in his administration than in the previous six administrations combined. He did all of this while liberal democrats and 24-7 liberal news fought against him. He appointed a sane Supreme Court Justice... He nominated another sane justice to the Supreme Court that will, when confirmed keep faggots and entitlement ******s in their place for decades... Hope he gets a hard on for illegal Mexican’s next week. For my support for “stay the course” check out the site:

http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB627.pdf
For those not willing to read the entire thing, this is from the Conclusion:

1. U.S. Government leaders must never forget that the United States will achieve its key objectives once the Iraqi government is viewed by the majority of its people, regardless of sect or ethnicity, as a legitimate government that is worth fighting and dying for; and the Iraqi security forces have the training, know-how, and equipment to put these convictions into practice.

2. The United States must develop detailed plans for implementing a withdrawal of significant numbers of troops under a variety of much less than optimal conditions.

3. U.S. military and intelligence leaders must be painfully honest in addressing the question of when Iraqi security forces will be able to function without a coalition troop presence to prop them up.

4. Senior U.S. military leaders must resist the view that they are “grading themselves” when they are asked to train the security forces and to evaluate Iraqi readiness to assume more expanded duties for military and security operations.

5. The United States MUST NOT establish a timetable to withdraw from Iraq so long as U.S. leaders consider the situation in Iraq to be redeemable.

6. As a last resort for preventing near-term civil war, the United States may have to swallow the bitter pill of allowing local militias to retain a significant and ongoing role in Iraqi politics if the Iraqi government is interested in pursuing this option and if the Iraqi security forces cannot take full responsibility for the nation’s safety.

7. The United States needs to renounce interest in permanent bases in Iraq on a strong and continuing basis.

8. The United States needs to deemphasize rhetoric that may cause Iraqi citizens to believe their government has been put in place to wage war on U.S. enemies in the Muslim World and otherwise serve U.S. interests.

9. U.S. leadership must recognize that it may still continue to support democracy after U.S. forces are withdrawn from Iraq, providing that the nation is stable when it leaves.

10. U.S. leaders should continually note the courage, commitment, and sacrifice of our troops in the field, while realizing that these same qualities are reasons to safeguard their lives even more carefully.

PS...**** > YOU TOO!!!

I forgot his administration saved America from socialized health care. Billions of dollars will be saved as a result of the legislation... not to mention America's drug inovation ranking best in the world using capitalism as a basis for research.
 
Crispy Critter said:
During his administration he reduced taxes that saved the economy in the aftermath of 9-11, Katrina and much more. Unemployment is at an unbelieveably level... The countries growth constantly outperforms EU and the world... After 9-11 we freed Afghanistan.... after more than twelve years and 16 UN resolutions we freed Iraq form a brutal dictator... More movements towards peace in Israel have occurred in his administration than in the previous six administrations combined. He did all of this while liberal democrats and 24-7 liberal news fought against him. He appointed a sane Supreme Court Justice... He nominated another sane justice to the Supreme Court that will, when confirmed keep faggots and entitlement ******s in their place for decades... Hope he gets a hard on for illegal Mexican
 
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