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How many of those think the dems are dong a good job/
how many thing repubs are doing a good job/
Put it here.
"HarryNadds" <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Apr 1, 4:19 pm, Viejo Vizcacha <nats_ugly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:07 am, HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 3:07 pm, Viejo Vizcacha <nats_ugly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 3:59 pm, HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 1:00 pm, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 31, 1:51 pm, Sunny <eviltwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The Iraq Legacy: Millions of Women's Lives Destroyed
>
> > > > > > By Nadje Al-Ali, Posted March 31, 2008.
>
> > > > > > Politicians hoped the Iraq war would see the advance of women's
> > > > > > rights. Instead, Iraqi women face violence, sexual abuse and
> > > > > > segregation.
>
> > > > > > On International Women's Day in 2004, nearly a year after the
invasion
> > > > > > of Iraq, George Bush, the US President, addressed 250 women from
> > > > > > around the world who had gathered at the White House. "The
advance of
> > > > > > women's rights and the advance of liberty are ultimately
inseparable,"
> > > > > > he said. Supported by his wife Laura, who herself hailed the
> > > > > > administration's success in achieving greater rights for Afghan
women,
> > > > > > the president claimed that "the advance of freedom in the
greater
> > > > > > Middle East has given new rights and new hopes to women there."
>
> > > > > > Advance. New rights. New hopes. Stirring stuff, but totally
empty
> > > > > > claims. In fact, Iraq's women have become the biggest losers in
the
> > > > > > post-invasion disaster. While men have borne the brunt in terms
of
> > > > > > direct armed violence, women have been particularly hard-hit by
> > > > > > poverty, malnutrition, lack of health services and a crumbling
> > > > > > infrastructure, not least chronic power cuts which in some areas
of
> > > > > > Iraq see electricity only available for two hours a day.
>
> > > > > > More than 70 percent of the four million people forced out of
their
> > > > > > homes in the past five years in Iraq have been women and
children.
> > > > > > Many have found temporary shelter with relatives who share their
> > > > > > limited space, food and supplies. But this, according to the UN
> > > > > > refugee agency, has created "rising tension between families
over
> > > > > > scarce resources." Many displaced women and children find
themselves
> > > > > > in unsanitary and overcrowded public buildings under constant
threat
> > > > > > of eviction.
>
> > > > > > Meanwhile, rampant political violence has also engulfed women in
Iraq.
> > > > > > Islamist militias with links to political parties in government
and
> > > > > > insurgent groups opposing both the government and the occupation
have
> > > > > > particularly targeted Iraqi women and girls. A new Islamist
puritanism
> > > > > > is seeing women and girls being violently pressured to conform
to
> > > > > > rigid dress codes. Personal movement and social behaviour are
being
> > > > > > "regulated," with acid attacks (deliberately designed to
disfigure
> > > > > > "transgressive" women's faces), just one of the sanctions of the
new
> > > > > > moral guardians of post-Saddam Iraq.
>
> > > > > > Suad F, a former accountant and mother of four children who
lives in a
> > > > > > previously mixed neighbourhood in Baghdad, was telling me during
a
> > > > > > visit to Amman in 2006: "I resisted for a long time, but last
year
> > > > > > also started wearing the hijab, after I was threatened by
several
> > > > > > Islamist militants in front of my house. They are terrorising
the
> > > > > > whole neighbourhood, behaving as if they were in charge. And
they are
> > > > > > actually controlling the area. No one dares to challenge them. A
few
> > > > > > months ago they distributed leaflets around the area warning
people to
> > > > > > obey them and demanding that women should stay at home."
>
> > > > > > By 2008, the threat posed by Islamist militias and extremist
groups
> > > > > > has gone far beyond dress codes and calls for gender segregation
at
> > > > > > universities. Despite -- or even partly because of US and UK
rhetoric
> > > > > > about liberation and women's rights -- women have been pushed
back
> > > > > > into their homes.
>
> > > > > > Women who have a public profile -- as teachers, doctors,
academics,
> > > > > > lawyers, NGO activists or politicians -- are now systematically
> > > > > > threatened, seen as legitimate targets for assassinations.
Criminal
> > > > > > gangs have joined in. Though rarely reported in Britain, the
criminal
> > > > > > kidnapping of women for ransom, for trafficking into forced
> > > > > > prostitution outside Iraq, and for out and out sexual abuse have
all
> > > > > > taken root in post-Saddam Iraq.
>
> > > > > > Killings in Basra in 2007 provide a snapshot. According to a
study by
> > > > > > the Basra Security Committee, 133 women were killed last year in
the
> > > > > > UK-controlled city, either by religious vigilantes or as a
result of
> > > > > > so-called honour killings. Of these, 79 were deemed to have
"violated
> > > > > > Islamic teachings," 47 were killed to preserve supposed family
honour,
> > > > > > and the remaining seven were targeted for their political
> > > > > > affiliations. As Amnesty International said last year,
"politically
> > > > > > active women, those who did not follow a strict dress code, and
women
> > > > > > [who are] human rights defenders are increasingly at risk of
abuses,
> > > > > > including by armed groups and religious extremists."
>
> > > > > > The invasion and occupation of Iraq has also directly added to
> > > > > > suffering of women. While aerial bombings of residential areas
have
> > > > > > been responsible for thousands of civilian deaths, many Iraqis
have
> > > > > > lost their lives while being shot at by American or British
troops.
> > > > > > Whole families have been wiped out as they approached a
checkpoint or
> > > > > > did not recognize areas marked as prohibited.
>
> > > > > > In addition to the killing of innocent women, men and children,
the
> > > > > > occupation forces have also been engaged in other forms of
violence
> > > > > > against women. There have been numerous documented accounts of
> > > > > > physical assaults at checkpoints and during house searches.
American
> > > > > > and British forces have also arrested wives, sisters and
daughters of
> > > > > > suspected insurgents in order to pressure them to surrender.
Recent
> > > > > > figures show that the US and Iraqi forces are currently holding
> > > > > > (mostly without charge) many thousands of detainees, and even
where
> > > > > > women have not been detained as bargaining chips they have spent
> > > > > > frantic months or even years trying to discover where their
family
> > > > > > members were being held and why.
>
> > > > > > Women in Iraq suffered from discrimination and violence well
before
> > > > > > 2003. Deep-rooted patriarchy (especially in rural and tribal
areas)
> > > > > > and the pervasive repression of all women politically resistant
to
> > > > > > Saddam's Ba'athist project were hallmarks of life in Iraq in the
> > > > > > 1960s, 70s and 80s.
>
> > > > > > But there were subtleties which gave women relative freedom.
First,
> > > > > > Saddam's political acuity meant that he was perfectly capable of
a
> > > > > > policy of "state feminism" that partly shifted patriarchal power
away
> > > > > > from fathers, husbands and brothers, investing this power in the
state
> > > > > > itself -- Saddam himself becoming the father of the nation. As
long as
> > > > > > you steered clear of all oppositional politics, this created 20
years
> > > > > > (from the late 1960s on) of moderate liberty for at least Iraq's
urban
> > > > > > middle-class women.
>
> > > > > > Then, with the growing militarization of Iraq after the
Iran-Iraq war
> > > > > > and the major reverse of the Gulf war of 1991, Saddam switched
policy
> > > > > > toward cultivating political allegiance through tribal leaders.
The
> > > > > > upshot for women? A re-assertion of traditional conservative
values
> > > > > > that saw women's rights used as bargaining chips and their
bodies the
> > > > > > repositories of tribal and familial "honor."
>
> > > > > > As he stood before his female audience in 2004 did President
Bush
> > > > > > actually understand any of this? Was it factored at all? Or
instead,
> > > > > > did the US's infamous lack of post-invasion planning include a
blind
> > > > > > spot over women's rights? Perhaps George and Laura would like to
> > > > > > update us.
>
> > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/80609/?page=entire
>
> > > > > In Syria, now home to about 2 million Iraqi refugees, Iraqi women
and
> > > > > girls have turned to prostitution because they have no other means
of
> > > > > self-support.
>
> > > > > George W. Bush and his gang of neocon thugs are directly to blame
for
> > > > > this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Oh yeah,the muslim women had it so much better under Saddam.Now they
> > > > drive cars,have jobs and actually can show their faces without being
> > > > drawn and quartered or stoned to death.Oh,for the good old
> > > > days.Goddamned George Bush !!!
>
> > > Nope. They were able to drive cars, have jobs, and show their faces
> > > without being drawn and quartered to death.
>
> > > Now they can't.
>
> > > Are all war mongers this ignorant, or just the ones posting in
> > > newsgroups?
>
> > > VV- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Would you care to make a wager on that?? It's nothing but welfare
> > money so what do you have to lose??
>
> With the evidence I have, I would say that you are a fair
> representative of the war mongers trolling the newsgroups. Now, I read
> that 25% of the people in the US still support Bush.
>
> TWENTY FREAKING FIVE PER CENT!!!!! That means that one in four
> supports Bush. So, when I am in an elevator with three others, one of
> us is an imbecile supporter of Bush. Now, since sure as hell it is not
> me, it means one of these three is a total moron. That is a scary
> thought!
>
> VV- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If I'm in a room with 100 people only 19 of those think the democrat
controlled congress is doing a good job so far.Sucks does'nt it?
how many thing repubs are doing a good job/
Put it here.
"HarryNadds" <hoofhearted07@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:022595a9-a3fd-4990-b76b-d14dc16e26bd@c65g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Apr 1, 4:19 pm, Viejo Vizcacha <nats_ugly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Apr 1, 11:07 am, HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Mar 31, 3:07 pm, Viejo Vizcacha <nats_ugly...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Mar 31, 3:59 pm, HarryNadds <hoofhearte...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Mar 31, 1:00 pm, "John B." <johnb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Mar 31, 1:51 pm, Sunny <eviltwi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > The Iraq Legacy: Millions of Women's Lives Destroyed
>
> > > > > > By Nadje Al-Ali, Posted March 31, 2008.
>
> > > > > > Politicians hoped the Iraq war would see the advance of women's
> > > > > > rights. Instead, Iraqi women face violence, sexual abuse and
> > > > > > segregation.
>
> > > > > > On International Women's Day in 2004, nearly a year after the
invasion
> > > > > > of Iraq, George Bush, the US President, addressed 250 women from
> > > > > > around the world who had gathered at the White House. "The
advance of
> > > > > > women's rights and the advance of liberty are ultimately
inseparable,"
> > > > > > he said. Supported by his wife Laura, who herself hailed the
> > > > > > administration's success in achieving greater rights for Afghan
women,
> > > > > > the president claimed that "the advance of freedom in the
greater
> > > > > > Middle East has given new rights and new hopes to women there."
>
> > > > > > Advance. New rights. New hopes. Stirring stuff, but totally
empty
> > > > > > claims. In fact, Iraq's women have become the biggest losers in
the
> > > > > > post-invasion disaster. While men have borne the brunt in terms
of
> > > > > > direct armed violence, women have been particularly hard-hit by
> > > > > > poverty, malnutrition, lack of health services and a crumbling
> > > > > > infrastructure, not least chronic power cuts which in some areas
of
> > > > > > Iraq see electricity only available for two hours a day.
>
> > > > > > More than 70 percent of the four million people forced out of
their
> > > > > > homes in the past five years in Iraq have been women and
children.
> > > > > > Many have found temporary shelter with relatives who share their
> > > > > > limited space, food and supplies. But this, according to the UN
> > > > > > refugee agency, has created "rising tension between families
over
> > > > > > scarce resources." Many displaced women and children find
themselves
> > > > > > in unsanitary and overcrowded public buildings under constant
threat
> > > > > > of eviction.
>
> > > > > > Meanwhile, rampant political violence has also engulfed women in
Iraq.
> > > > > > Islamist militias with links to political parties in government
and
> > > > > > insurgent groups opposing both the government and the occupation
have
> > > > > > particularly targeted Iraqi women and girls. A new Islamist
puritanism
> > > > > > is seeing women and girls being violently pressured to conform
to
> > > > > > rigid dress codes. Personal movement and social behaviour are
being
> > > > > > "regulated," with acid attacks (deliberately designed to
disfigure
> > > > > > "transgressive" women's faces), just one of the sanctions of the
new
> > > > > > moral guardians of post-Saddam Iraq.
>
> > > > > > Suad F, a former accountant and mother of four children who
lives in a
> > > > > > previously mixed neighbourhood in Baghdad, was telling me during
a
> > > > > > visit to Amman in 2006: "I resisted for a long time, but last
year
> > > > > > also started wearing the hijab, after I was threatened by
several
> > > > > > Islamist militants in front of my house. They are terrorising
the
> > > > > > whole neighbourhood, behaving as if they were in charge. And
they are
> > > > > > actually controlling the area. No one dares to challenge them. A
few
> > > > > > months ago they distributed leaflets around the area warning
people to
> > > > > > obey them and demanding that women should stay at home."
>
> > > > > > By 2008, the threat posed by Islamist militias and extremist
groups
> > > > > > has gone far beyond dress codes and calls for gender segregation
at
> > > > > > universities. Despite -- or even partly because of US and UK
rhetoric
> > > > > > about liberation and women's rights -- women have been pushed
back
> > > > > > into their homes.
>
> > > > > > Women who have a public profile -- as teachers, doctors,
academics,
> > > > > > lawyers, NGO activists or politicians -- are now systematically
> > > > > > threatened, seen as legitimate targets for assassinations.
Criminal
> > > > > > gangs have joined in. Though rarely reported in Britain, the
criminal
> > > > > > kidnapping of women for ransom, for trafficking into forced
> > > > > > prostitution outside Iraq, and for out and out sexual abuse have
all
> > > > > > taken root in post-Saddam Iraq.
>
> > > > > > Killings in Basra in 2007 provide a snapshot. According to a
study by
> > > > > > the Basra Security Committee, 133 women were killed last year in
the
> > > > > > UK-controlled city, either by religious vigilantes or as a
result of
> > > > > > so-called honour killings. Of these, 79 were deemed to have
"violated
> > > > > > Islamic teachings," 47 were killed to preserve supposed family
honour,
> > > > > > and the remaining seven were targeted for their political
> > > > > > affiliations. As Amnesty International said last year,
"politically
> > > > > > active women, those who did not follow a strict dress code, and
women
> > > > > > [who are] human rights defenders are increasingly at risk of
abuses,
> > > > > > including by armed groups and religious extremists."
>
> > > > > > The invasion and occupation of Iraq has also directly added to
> > > > > > suffering of women. While aerial bombings of residential areas
have
> > > > > > been responsible for thousands of civilian deaths, many Iraqis
have
> > > > > > lost their lives while being shot at by American or British
troops.
> > > > > > Whole families have been wiped out as they approached a
checkpoint or
> > > > > > did not recognize areas marked as prohibited.
>
> > > > > > In addition to the killing of innocent women, men and children,
the
> > > > > > occupation forces have also been engaged in other forms of
violence
> > > > > > against women. There have been numerous documented accounts of
> > > > > > physical assaults at checkpoints and during house searches.
American
> > > > > > and British forces have also arrested wives, sisters and
daughters of
> > > > > > suspected insurgents in order to pressure them to surrender.
Recent
> > > > > > figures show that the US and Iraqi forces are currently holding
> > > > > > (mostly without charge) many thousands of detainees, and even
where
> > > > > > women have not been detained as bargaining chips they have spent
> > > > > > frantic months or even years trying to discover where their
family
> > > > > > members were being held and why.
>
> > > > > > Women in Iraq suffered from discrimination and violence well
before
> > > > > > 2003. Deep-rooted patriarchy (especially in rural and tribal
areas)
> > > > > > and the pervasive repression of all women politically resistant
to
> > > > > > Saddam's Ba'athist project were hallmarks of life in Iraq in the
> > > > > > 1960s, 70s and 80s.
>
> > > > > > But there were subtleties which gave women relative freedom.
First,
> > > > > > Saddam's political acuity meant that he was perfectly capable of
a
> > > > > > policy of "state feminism" that partly shifted patriarchal power
away
> > > > > > from fathers, husbands and brothers, investing this power in the
state
> > > > > > itself -- Saddam himself becoming the father of the nation. As
long as
> > > > > > you steered clear of all oppositional politics, this created 20
years
> > > > > > (from the late 1960s on) of moderate liberty for at least Iraq's
urban
> > > > > > middle-class women.
>
> > > > > > Then, with the growing militarization of Iraq after the
Iran-Iraq war
> > > > > > and the major reverse of the Gulf war of 1991, Saddam switched
policy
> > > > > > toward cultivating political allegiance through tribal leaders.
The
> > > > > > upshot for women? A re-assertion of traditional conservative
values
> > > > > > that saw women's rights used as bargaining chips and their
bodies the
> > > > > > repositories of tribal and familial "honor."
>
> > > > > > As he stood before his female audience in 2004 did President
Bush
> > > > > > actually understand any of this? Was it factored at all? Or
instead,
> > > > > > did the US's infamous lack of post-invasion planning include a
blind
> > > > > > spot over women's rights? Perhaps George and Laura would like to
> > > > > > update us.
>
> > > > > >http://www.alternet.org/reproductivejustice/80609/?page=entire
>
> > > > > In Syria, now home to about 2 million Iraqi refugees, Iraqi women
and
> > > > > girls have turned to prostitution because they have no other means
of
> > > > > self-support.
>
> > > > > George W. Bush and his gang of neocon thugs are directly to blame
for
> > > > > this.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > > Oh yeah,the muslim women had it so much better under Saddam.Now they
> > > > drive cars,have jobs and actually can show their faces without being
> > > > drawn and quartered or stoned to death.Oh,for the good old
> > > > days.Goddamned George Bush !!!
>
> > > Nope. They were able to drive cars, have jobs, and show their faces
> > > without being drawn and quartered to death.
>
> > > Now they can't.
>
> > > Are all war mongers this ignorant, or just the ones posting in
> > > newsgroups?
>
> > > VV- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > Would you care to make a wager on that?? It's nothing but welfare
> > money so what do you have to lose??
>
> With the evidence I have, I would say that you are a fair
> representative of the war mongers trolling the newsgroups. Now, I read
> that 25% of the people in the US still support Bush.
>
> TWENTY FREAKING FIVE PER CENT!!!!! That means that one in four
> supports Bush. So, when I am in an elevator with three others, one of
> us is an imbecile supporter of Bush. Now, since sure as hell it is not
> me, it means one of these three is a total moron. That is a scary
> thought!
>
> VV- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
If I'm in a room with 100 people only 19 of those think the democrat
controlled congress is doing a good job so far.Sucks does'nt it?