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phreakwars
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Great opinion piece... is there ANYTHING SPECIFIC there?? All I see is accusations and rhetoric.
Short summary of what that just said:
That's all I read. :whistling:
If I'm wrong, then site the proof & or example in the quote, color it red so it stands out.
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jokersarewild
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An addition:
$533.8 billion in DoD spending. The request for the DoD in 2011 is $721.3 billion. So we're in debt up to our eyeballs, the US (and our closest allies) account for between 66% and 75% of military spending (of which the majority is the US), and we aren't spending enough on security?
Methinks we can afford a cut.
Nosey Parker
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will the democrats exist in 2 years or the republicans???
..whatever will be, will be...
..whatever will be, will be...
Seriously though, Canada just lowered their Corporate tax rate again, yet we are still at 35%. Why?????
jokersarewild
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That makes no sense.
builder
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Niether does politics in general, JAW, but let's move on, shall we?
I still see no clear winner in the stakes of which conservative candidate could be a viable alternative to the current administrator, that being a Kenyan half-breed, with an impeccable and seemingly flawless academic resume.
jokersarewild
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Well, I hear Hawaii will issue Certificates of Live Birth to any foreigner these days, so just get somebody from out of the US, create an academic record, and boom, he's the president. Simple.
atlantic
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I really have to say, Donald Trump is looking better to me everyday. He is a financial genius, and also understands who our allies really are. He is strong enough to do what is right for this country. I want the Donald, and if we can't have him, then Mitt Romney. Otherwise it's not looking good for this country.
jokersarewild
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The financial genius who's Casino companies keep filing for bankruptcy? He's been sued for his outstanding debts he can't pay. Financial Genius, he is not.
The LAST thing we need is somebody who can't keep their own companies from going into bankruptcy to be given the chance to run a country into the ground. I can almost promise Obama would be re-elected over this sorry bag of mismanaged finances and horrible hair.
jokersarewild
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The financial genius who's Casino companies keep filing for bankruptcy? He's been sued for his outstanding debts he can't pay. Financial Genius, he is not.
The LAST thing we need is somebody who can't keep their own companies from going into bankruptcy to be given the chance to run a country into the ground. I can almost promise Obama would be re-elected over this sorry bag of mismanaged finances and horrible hair.
jokersarewild
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Repost. Delete pls.
atlantic
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Did he file chapter 11 or 13 though. Lots of companies file for bankruptcy. I seem to remember Bank of America needed the country's help, and that bank was bailed out. Bankruptcy is a normal condition of our financial system lately - sadly. What scares me are there are now towns who are eliminating their police, fire and other important services. We need someone who not only understands international threats, international banking, the importance of a solid economy, and the elimination of free handouts. We need someone who cares about this country first. Not every other country period. Donald Trump does care. Although, I'm sure he wouldn't be elected because people don't pay enough attention to who they are voting for. I do believe he has some really good ideas.
jokersarewild
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11, I believe. My point is, he overextends himself financially, then files bankruptcy when it comes back to bite him in the ***.
jokersarewild
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11, I believe. My point is, he overextends himself financially, then files bankruptcy when it comes back to bite him in the ***.
timesjoke
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The first problem to anyone running for office is they have to be willing to be ripped apart by the other side and maybe even their own side of the political spectrum.
Let's take Phreak for one great example, Obama was his choice for President, he came here blindly defending Obama and his policies for a very long time and suddenly turns on Obama and starts calling Obama a Republican. Not one person who knows anything about politics would claim government power grabs over healthcare, the auto industry, or the takeover of the banking industry and even the recent expansions in other areas like the EPA who is taking away permits for things like coal mining under the order of Obama, any of these things would never be done by a conservative, most moderates in America are screaming against these actions as well and that is why the Democrats took the biggest beating in a mid term election ever recorded.
People in general are tired of two faced politicians who say whatever they have to say to get elected then they do whatever they want and forget all their promises after taking office.
So who can win in my opinion?
Anyone with a true conservative record and who wants to scale back the Government. Sarah Palin "could" be that person but you have radicals like Hugo who cover their ears and say over and over that Palin following State law was socialist and many of the stupid believe that mess but I once proved that even Hugo's state of texas takes massive taxes from oil companies and even has a "per quart" tax imposed so they are taking just as much from oil companies but they spend it themselves so the average Texas resident like Hugo pays less in taxes directly. The money turns out to be about the same, it is just shifted around in different ways. Hugo and his ilk actually help the radical left like Obama because he leads the bickering within instead of attacking the real enemy who is people like Obama.
I would agree with atlantic that someone like Donald Trump could be a good President. We have to remember that most of the business Trump has is here in america and things like casinos don't do very well in a depressed economy so his main priority would not be to smother business the way Obama has. The more people working, the more people with money to spend in places like a casino.......logic. Trump also saw massive losses during the mess that followed 9/11 so he will be strong against terrorist attacks where Obama has been almost understanding of terrorist actions like he wants to say they are justified but knows politically that would end him. I gurantee Trump would call a terrorist a terrorist without consulting the left wing political correcect handbook.
I know it will never happen soon but we will eventually need to end welfare as we know it. Welfare is a ponzi scheme, it requires way more people paying in them is taking out to stay viable, this is no longer the case. With the number of illegals now on welfare programs there is no way we can keep the system working. These illegals being able to get on the system is the very example of why a big government should not be running welfare because they give "free money" to people who don't deserve or need it. We need to go back to families and communities taking care of each other and give back the tax money being taken. If you are lazy and just don't want to work you can sit on your behind and get "free money" from the Government, it really is that easy, sure the amount you get will not buy you a fancy home or a nice car but you get the money for doing nothing so some people are willing to live that way. The illegals who get on the system have actually increased their standard of living ten times over compared to what they could have in Mexico so why not live on welfare?
Joker--------
Why not run America like a business?
Yes, Trump has had some of his business dealings go bad, but most have done well and nobody learns lessons better then to deal with failures. America is in financial trouble, we are following right behind California in spending money we don't have and just like California, it will never improve without some harsh business decisions being made. You speak of other people comming into office in California "saying" they wanted to treat it like a business but the problem was after they took office, they caved to political pressures and backed down. Someone like Trump would not back down. Nobody else being talked about has ever had to make these kinds of hard decisions, Trump has.
Let me put it to you this way:
If you have cancer do you want a doctor who is going to feel sorry for the tumor instead of you? If the doctor is making promises to cure you but every actions he does looks like he is actually helping the cancer spread what do you do?
If you ask me that question I tell you I get the doctor who will cut out the cancer and save the patient without feeling bad about the dead cancer.
All that said I don't know who I would vote for, we need to get closer and see how things settle into place for the election run. Someone may come out of nowhere to step up and Phreak is right about one thing, the smartest thing the Democrats can do is let someone else run under the Democrat ticket and have Obama claim his has no desire for a second term. Right now there are too many promises he turned his back on and can be made into nice election videos against him for him to get re-elected. All a decent conservative canidate has to do is remind Americans how Obama and the Democrats cheated their way into passing Obamacare excluding all Republicans from the process and most Americans will refuse to support Obama because he plays dirty politics and Americans are tired of dirty politics. Remind them about the private meeting between Obama and Unions to give them their sweet exceptions to higher healthcare taxes all normal Americans have to pay, remind Americans that insurance companies gave millions to Obama to help him get elected and as a reward he gave the insurance companies 40 million new forced customers.
Believe it or not, while many Americans don't practice it themselves, they still believe in "fair play" and they will hold the Democrats accountable for their dirty back room deals and tricks as long as they are reminded just becfore election day.
Let's take Phreak for one great example, Obama was his choice for President, he came here blindly defending Obama and his policies for a very long time and suddenly turns on Obama and starts calling Obama a Republican. Not one person who knows anything about politics would claim government power grabs over healthcare, the auto industry, or the takeover of the banking industry and even the recent expansions in other areas like the EPA who is taking away permits for things like coal mining under the order of Obama, any of these things would never be done by a conservative, most moderates in America are screaming against these actions as well and that is why the Democrats took the biggest beating in a mid term election ever recorded.
People in general are tired of two faced politicians who say whatever they have to say to get elected then they do whatever they want and forget all their promises after taking office.
So who can win in my opinion?
Anyone with a true conservative record and who wants to scale back the Government. Sarah Palin "could" be that person but you have radicals like Hugo who cover their ears and say over and over that Palin following State law was socialist and many of the stupid believe that mess but I once proved that even Hugo's state of texas takes massive taxes from oil companies and even has a "per quart" tax imposed so they are taking just as much from oil companies but they spend it themselves so the average Texas resident like Hugo pays less in taxes directly. The money turns out to be about the same, it is just shifted around in different ways. Hugo and his ilk actually help the radical left like Obama because he leads the bickering within instead of attacking the real enemy who is people like Obama.
I would agree with atlantic that someone like Donald Trump could be a good President. We have to remember that most of the business Trump has is here in america and things like casinos don't do very well in a depressed economy so his main priority would not be to smother business the way Obama has. The more people working, the more people with money to spend in places like a casino.......logic. Trump also saw massive losses during the mess that followed 9/11 so he will be strong against terrorist attacks where Obama has been almost understanding of terrorist actions like he wants to say they are justified but knows politically that would end him. I gurantee Trump would call a terrorist a terrorist without consulting the left wing political correcect handbook.
I know it will never happen soon but we will eventually need to end welfare as we know it. Welfare is a ponzi scheme, it requires way more people paying in them is taking out to stay viable, this is no longer the case. With the number of illegals now on welfare programs there is no way we can keep the system working. These illegals being able to get on the system is the very example of why a big government should not be running welfare because they give "free money" to people who don't deserve or need it. We need to go back to families and communities taking care of each other and give back the tax money being taken. If you are lazy and just don't want to work you can sit on your behind and get "free money" from the Government, it really is that easy, sure the amount you get will not buy you a fancy home or a nice car but you get the money for doing nothing so some people are willing to live that way. The illegals who get on the system have actually increased their standard of living ten times over compared to what they could have in Mexico so why not live on welfare?
Joker--------
Why not run America like a business?
Yes, Trump has had some of his business dealings go bad, but most have done well and nobody learns lessons better then to deal with failures. America is in financial trouble, we are following right behind California in spending money we don't have and just like California, it will never improve without some harsh business decisions being made. You speak of other people comming into office in California "saying" they wanted to treat it like a business but the problem was after they took office, they caved to political pressures and backed down. Someone like Trump would not back down. Nobody else being talked about has ever had to make these kinds of hard decisions, Trump has.
Let me put it to you this way:
If you have cancer do you want a doctor who is going to feel sorry for the tumor instead of you? If the doctor is making promises to cure you but every actions he does looks like he is actually helping the cancer spread what do you do?
If you ask me that question I tell you I get the doctor who will cut out the cancer and save the patient without feeling bad about the dead cancer.
All that said I don't know who I would vote for, we need to get closer and see how things settle into place for the election run. Someone may come out of nowhere to step up and Phreak is right about one thing, the smartest thing the Democrats can do is let someone else run under the Democrat ticket and have Obama claim his has no desire for a second term. Right now there are too many promises he turned his back on and can be made into nice election videos against him for him to get re-elected. All a decent conservative canidate has to do is remind Americans how Obama and the Democrats cheated their way into passing Obamacare excluding all Republicans from the process and most Americans will refuse to support Obama because he plays dirty politics and Americans are tired of dirty politics. Remind them about the private meeting between Obama and Unions to give them their sweet exceptions to higher healthcare taxes all normal Americans have to pay, remind Americans that insurance companies gave millions to Obama to help him get elected and as a reward he gave the insurance companies 40 million new forced customers.
Believe it or not, while many Americans don't practice it themselves, they still believe in "fair play" and they will hold the Democrats accountable for their dirty back room deals and tricks as long as they are reminded just becfore election day.
jokersarewild
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I believe that Trump wouldn't smother businesses, you're right. He would probably be the most business-minded President we've had in quite awhile, though I've only been alive for 3 (technically 4, but seeing Bush Sr.'s last two years as an infant doesn't count in my book), so I suppose I couldn't rightfully claim that. shrug
Welfare does need reform. Lots of it. There are many people who can't actually work, and those people need the money to survive. But the lazy ******** who don't work, or better yet, don't get a real job, then go sell drugs and have nicer cars than most of us working stiffs, shouldn't get a damned penny out of us. Quite simply, SSI and the like shouldn't be given to people who can still work. If you can stand in one place for 8 hours, door greet at Wal-Mart. It's minimum wage, but it has to be the easiest job I can think of. And it's a JOB. That's the important part.
Foodstamps, however, are a different matter entirely. Most of the time that I've seen (as a Wal-Mart cashier), the people who have foodstamps have at least 1 kid. As much as I would love to do away with the program for the most part, it seems as if the children would suffer, and that's not right.
The problem is that Trump has no **** business sense. It's why he keeps having to file bankruptcy. He's been careful to not have to file bankruptcy personally, but he's had to file twice, and is currently being sued by one of the banks who loaned to him (Deutsche Bank), because he's asking for an extension on a loan he can't pay. Guess who will probably file a third time? I would be scared if he somehow got into office. If he can't run his business properly (and seriously, even in hard times, people seem compelled to give money to casinos hand over fist. We have a local casino where the parking lot is always, always 3/4s of the way full at least), why the **** do I want him to run our country "as a business"? "Oh man, looks like I screwed up again. Can the US file bankruptcy? Not without completely crashing the world economy and taking the planet into a global clusterfuck of epic proportions? Damnit, that's always my goto!"
timesjoke
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The real question is, who makes jobs? People like Trump, he knows they don't need handouts as much as they need a solid set of rules as a foundation to move foward. The biggest fear Progressives like Obama delivers to the business community is that there are no set rules, they change the rules all the time and that makes it very hard to do business.
But you miss why it can never work, the system must be run by Government employees who don't care if the money is wasted. Each person who "really needs help" has a family, friends, neighbors, all sorts of people know them and can help them if they really do need help, we don't need, and can no longer afford, to blindly give money away.
I feel bad for the kids too, but again if they truly need help, their own family will help. You have other family I am sure Joker, if someone in your family truly needed help, would you help? Your parents? This is my point and when you make people turn to their own family for help, they most likely will not get away with just being lazy. Being 30 years old and going to your father asking for a handout is a lot more difficult than asking the Government to give you a handout. Suddenly you eliminate 90% of the lazy and at the same time you eliminate 90% of the illegals too because they don't have the "free money" anymore.
Well you just sounded very foolish right there. How much business sense does Obama have? Before he was President he never even managed a fast food restaurant. Obama as well as the majority of the Democrats in power have "zero" experience in the private sector.
Yes, Trump has had to deal with the same economic problems most business people have had to deal with, my own business income has declined about 20% over the last 3 years mostly because people don't have the same money to spend they had before. The best manager in the world can't fix these things on their own. Trump has had more success than defeat and his motivation is to get the economy moving again so he makes more money.
The Progressive gains nothing if the economy improves. Only with this downfall was it possible for the Progressives to bully more entitlements. Depressions offer the Progressives the chance to give the Government more power over the people and less power to the every day man. This latest depression gave Obama and company the excuse to take over a massive chunk of the American auto industry and force them to build "eco friendly" (and other) cars the Progressives want people to drive, they took over the banking industry and have new sweeping powers to manipulate it, and they have created a massive new buracracy with open ended powers to manipulate and control a large part of the healthcare industry.
So what do you truly want Joker?
A progressive who has everything to gain by keeping the economy broken?
Or a businessman who has everything to gain by fixing the economy?