Until atheism can replace religion as a viable and REAL way to innerpeace and a reverence of humanit

On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:15:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
<mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:55:31 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:42:12 -0800, Sir Frederick
>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:16:18 -0500, "Robibnikoff" <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:3hm9n3dec10h7fomflsl70ddpeseeaeoc9@4ax.com...
>>>>> Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories (including
>>>>> music and rituals).
>>>>
>>>>No, it doesn't
>>>Then it will remain disconnected from humanity.
>>
>>What a remarkably stupid thing to say.
>To quote Robibnikoff :
>
>>In your opinion.

Fact, moron.

The lying idiot is too stupid to recognise his own non-sequitur.

Atheism is a human attribute, moron. How the **** can it be
"disconnected from humanity"? Let alone "remain" that way?
 
On Dec 28, 1:57�am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:26:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:0fc78e4e-e5a3-4afb-82d0-cbb88469c790@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> When you get rid of one thing it makes room for another.
>
> >When you get rid of smallpox, what does it make room for?
>
> Health.




True, but I don't see any evidence that atheism is a healthy way to
live if one gets rid of religion?

If the atheists gets rid of hatred, it may make room for compassion.


V
 
V wrote:
> On Dec 28, 1:57�am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:26:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>> "V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>>> news:0fc78e4e-e5a3-4afb-82d0-cbb88469c790@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>>>> When you get rid of one thing it makes room for another.
>>> When you get rid of smallpox, what does it make room for?
>> Health.
>
>
>
>
> True, but I don't see any evidence that atheism is a healthy way to
> live if one gets rid of religion?
>
> If the atheists gets rid of hatred, it may make room for compassion.

I hate no one. I am compassionate and feel pity for you, V, that you
are brainwashed into believing Han Solo is a real person.

--

DanielSan -- alt.atheism #2226
--------------------------------------------------
"I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act
of the whole American people which declared that
their legislature should make no law respecting
an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the
free exercise thereof, thus building a wall of
separation between church and state."
--Thomas Jefferson, 1802
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:42:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick
><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories (including music and rituals).
>>>>Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not sufficient.
>>>
>>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not
>>>believing in pixies, can do that?
>
>>Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story,
>
>Only those brainwashed that way.
>
>>in fact they demand that form of exercise.
>>Even atheist brains.
>
>Idiot.
>
>But your refusal to say how a non-event can do what you ask, confirms
>you were simply spouting rubbish.
>Even if they were, which you have only asserted, why didn't you answer
>the question?
Try studying some neuroscience, neurophilosophy, and
neurotheology.
Just because you ignore brain processes, doesn't make
them go away. It does keep you from hearing my answers.
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:11:09 -0800, Sir Frederick
<mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:42:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick
>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories (including music and rituals).
>>>>>Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not sufficient.
>>>>
>>>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not
>>>>believing in pixies, can do that?
>>
>>>Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story,
>>
>>Only those brainwashed that way.
>>
>>>in fact they demand that form of exercise.
>>>Even atheist brains.
>>
>>Idiot.
>>
>>But your refusal to say how a non-event can do what you ask, confirms
>>you were simply spouting rubbish.
>>Even if they were, which you have only asserted, why didn't you answer
>>the question?
>Try studying some neuroscience, neurophilosophy, and
>neurotheology.
>Just because you ignore brain processes, doesn't make
>them go away. It does keep you from hearing my answers.

Look up "non-sequitur", liar.

Go back and read your original stupidity and falsehood.


You were the one who started this off by lying that
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
> (including music and rituals).

Contender for "People Unclear on the Concept" award...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“It is one of the Christian delusions that Christianity
brought charity into the world. It did no such thing.
There were plenty of agencies for taking care of the
poor and helpless long before Christianity was heard
of, and even before Judaism. Both Christianity and
Judaism have converted charity into a sort of pious racket.”

- H. L. Mencken
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 04:42:12 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:16:18 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
>
>>"Sir Frederick" <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote in message
>>news:3hm9n3dec10h7fomflsl70ddpeseeaeoc9@4ax.com...
>>> Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>> (including music and rituals).
>>
>>No, it doesn't
>
> Then it will remain disconnected from humanity.

So what are we, minerals?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“In this world of sin and sorrow there is always
something to be thankful for; as for me,
I rejoice that I am not a Republican.”

- H. L. Mencken
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>>(including music and rituals). Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not
>>>sufficient.
>>
>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not believing
>>in pixies, can do that?
>
> Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story, in fact they demand
> that form of exercise. Even atheist brains.

And yet, they're not.

Funny that...

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
At a recent PTL convention, the hotel reported that over 80%
of the conventionites watched at least one x-rated movie on
the hotel's ppv cable...
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:11:09 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:42:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick
>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
>>><calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>>>>(including music and rituals). Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not
>>>>>sufficient.
>>>>
>>>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not
>>>>believing in pixies, can do that?
>>
>>>Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story,
>>
>>Only those brainwashed that way.
>>
>>>in fact they demand that form of exercise. Even atheist brains.
>>
>>Idiot.
>>
>>But your refusal to say how a non-event can do what you ask, confirms
>>you were simply spouting rubbish.
>>Even if they were, which you have only asserted, why didn't you answer
>>the question?
>
> Try studying some neuroscience, neurophilosophy, and neurotheology.
> Just because you ignore brain processes, doesn't make them go away. It
> does keep you from hearing my answers.

If it's possible to ignore these alleged "brain processes", then why are
you claiming they're necessary?

--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
------------------------------------------------------------
“...The only really respectable Protestants are the
Fundamentalists. Unfortunately, they are also palpable idiots...”

- H. L. Mencken
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 13:25:33 +0000, les_on_usenet
<delete-unread@leswell.freeuk.com> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>
>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories (including music and rituals).
>
>What to satisfy you?

He still has to explain how he expects a non-event that is no
different than not believing in leprechauns, to do that.

>>Human brains need that sort of thing.
>
>DO THEY?!!!

In his case it might.

But he's projecting.

>You can only speak for yourself. You might need it but I certainly do
>not.
>
>Sorry if atheism is not for you but c'est la vie (what's the French
>for c'est la vie?)

Dunno but I once saw a wine shop called cellar vie.

>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not sufficient.
>
>What a strange notion, still if that's the way your mind works that
>your affair....

I once had a frustrating time with an atheist who missed the
togetherness of his church. He tried organise pseudo-services with
pseudo-hymns for atheists and then complained that atheists weren't
interested.

He couldn't grasp that atheists wouldn't go qua atheists because all
it is, is not believing in the god of somebody else's religion.

People who like singing might do that sort of thing, as people who
like singing. Which might include some atheists. But they wouldn't do
it as atheists unless they liked not just music but the specific style
of music.

>Have you perhaps tried virtual reality? Oh, I guess if you believe
>there are gods and planes and spritual levels and things I guess you
>already have. Well as I say whatever

I don't do anything as a result of being atheist - all it means is
that I don't do certain things theists do because they are theist.

What I do, is because of other things, that motivate me.

What I am, not what I'm not.

Eg I model trains, walk in the country, like opera and classical
music, cook, enjoy ethnic food etc.

None of these are because of not believing in the god of somebody
else's religion.

If he wants to compose an opera with an atheistic theme, then I might
be interested if it is the same quality as La Boheme.

But that wouldn't be because I'm atheist.

I don't think any of us are like the Christian who listens to
"Christian music" because it's Christian.

>Les Hellawell
>Greetings from
>YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:52:28 -0800 (PST), V <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:

>On Dec 28, 1:57?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:26:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>> >"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> >news:0fc78e4e-e5a3-4afb-82d0-cbb88469c790@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
>> >> When you get rid of one thing it makes room for another.
>>
>> >When you get rid of smallpox, what does it make room for?
>>
>> Health.
>
>True, but I don't see any evidence that atheism is a healthy way to
>live if one gets rid of religion? If the atheists gets rid of hatred,
>it may make room for compassion.
>V

So in your opinion there's atheism and religion with nothing in
between? If so, your opinion is totally worthless as are it's
ramifications. There's a huge amount of folks who think religion is a
hindrance to the truth - what with all the dogma, orthodoxy, and just
plain crap that most organized religions foist upon its believers.
Ethics and religion are NOT one in the same. Folks can lead ethical
lives w/o benefit of religion. How many have been killed in the name
of atheism? And don't name Stalin and/or Mao as killers in the name of
atheism - they weren't. They were killers in the name of Communism -
their religion. How many have died in the name of organized religion -
uncountable millions. Personally I'm not an atheist - I'm one of those
who just doesn't know. But I do know to steer clear of those who seek
to make their unverifiable beliefs fact.

WB Yeats

BTW - if there were a God - he/she is on nobody's side no matter how
many fatted calves you slaughter in his/her name.
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
> (including music and rituals). Human brains need that sort of thing.

Speak for yourself, Kemo Sabe.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story, in fact they demand
> that form of exercise. Even atheist brains.

Speak for yourself, Kemo Sabe, not for me.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:11:09 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:

> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:42:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick
>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
>>><calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>>>>(including music and rituals). Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not
>>>>>sufficient.
>>>>
>>>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not
>>>>believing in pixies, can do that?
>>
>>>Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story,
>>
>>Only those brainwashed that way.
>>
>>>in fact they demand that form of exercise. Even atheist brains.
>>
>>Idiot.
>>
>>But your refusal to say how a non-event can do what you ask, confirms
>>you were simply spouting rubbish.
>>Even if they were, which you have only asserted, why didn't you answer
>>the question?
> Try studying some neuroscience, neurophilosophy, and neurotheology.
> Just because you ignore brain processes, doesn't make them go away. It
> does keep you from hearing my answers.

Try justifying your "answers" with data, rather than repeating something
you pulled out of your ass.

--
Enkidu AA#2165
EAC Chaplain and ordained minister,
ULC, Modesto, CA

Most people are bothered by those passages of Scripture they do not
understand, but the passages that bother me are those I do understand.
-- Mark Twain
 
On 28 Dec 2007 16:43:34 GMT, Enkidu <fox_aaguba@trashmail.net> wrote:

>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 06:11:09 -0800, Sir Frederick wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 08:42:46 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
>> <calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:11:53 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 07:38:53 -0500, Christopher A.Lee
>>>><calee@optonline.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 03:17:40 -0800, Sir Frederick
>>>>><mmcneill@fuzzysys.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>>>>>(including music and rituals). Human brains need that sort of thing.
>>>>>>Science and science fiction provide some of that, but are not
>>>>>>sufficient.
>>>>>
>>>>>And how do you propose that a non-event no different than not
>>>>>believing in pixies, can do that?
>>>
>>>>Human brains are susceptible to that sort of story,
>>>
>>>Only those brainwashed that way.
>>>
>>>>in fact they demand that form of exercise. Even atheist brains.
>>>
>>>Idiot.
>>>
>>>But your refusal to say how a non-event can do what you ask, confirms
>>>you were simply spouting rubbish.
>>>Even if they were, which you have only asserted, why didn't you answer
>>>the question?
>> Try studying some neuroscience, neurophilosophy, and neurotheology.
>> Just because you ignore brain processes, doesn't make them go away. It
>> does keep you from hearing my answers.
>
>Try justifying your "answers" with data, rather than repeating something
>you pulled out of your ass.

He still hasn't explained how he expects a non-event no different than
not believing in the fairies at the bottom of the garden, to "produce
some good religious experience stories (including music and rituals)".

Let alone why it "needs to".
 
On Fri, 28 Dec 2007 05:57:27 -0800, DanielSan wrote:

> V wrote:
>> [tripe]
> I hate no one. I am compassionate and feel pity for you, V, that you
> are brainwashed into believing Han Solo is a real person.

Just FYI, we have a mass plonk on for this particular letter of the
alphabet. It's an attention whore and will continue to reply with its
inanities as long as it feels it's receiving any attention at all. You
know that adage about atheists and herding cats? Well, that letter
achieved the impossible: Persuading nearly everyone here that it was not
worth reading and should be killfiled.
--
Frank Mayhar frank@exit.com http://www.exit.com/
Exit Consulting http://www.gpsclock.com/
http://www.exit.com/blog/frank/
http://www.zazzle.com/fmayhar
 
One fine day in alt.atheism, Sir Frederick <mmcneill@fuzzysys.com>
bloodied us up with this:

>>> Atheism needs to produce some good religious experience stories
>>> (including music and rituals).
>>
>>No, it doesn't
> Then it will remain disconnected from humanity.
> Granted, humanity is crazy, but there it is.

Atheism is deliverance from delusion. It is the new Renaissance. Rituals
are not required, since the joy of daily life suffices. It's a breath of
fresh air in a sea of supernatural fallout.

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack.
 
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:b6402b88-65ea-4557-9ba0-5fc9aa51b57f@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On Dec 28, 1:57?am, Michael Gray <mikeg...@newsguy.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Dec 2007 22:26:03 -0600, "Denis Loubet" <dlou...@io.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> >"V" <vf...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:0fc78e4e-e5a3-4afb-82d0-cbb88469c790@w56g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
> >> When you get rid of one thing it makes room for another.
>
> >When you get rid of smallpox, what does it make room for?
>
> Health.




> True, but I don't see any evidence that atheism is a healthy way to
> live if one gets rid of religion?

I don't see any evidence it's not.

> If the atheists gets rid of hatred, it may make room for compassion.

You first.


--
Denis Loubet
dloubet@io.com
http://www.io.com/~dloubet
http://www.ashenempires.com
 

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