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Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. Bagram has received just
a fraction of the world attention paid to Guantanamo, but the two
facilities have prompted very similar complaints about prisoners
held incommunicado for weeks or months, the lack of recourse to any
system of legal redress, and persistent reports of prisoner
mistreatment that many human rights campaigners have characterised
as torture.

"His blood rose and he asked the occupying soldiers to stop beating
the woman," they said in the statement. "Their answer through the
translator was:

'We will do what we want.' So he opened fire on them." Killer of
U.S. Soldiers Becomes a Hero By Ali al-Fadhily and Dahr Jamail 07
Jan 2008 On Dec. 26, an Iraqi soldier opened fire on U.S. soldiers
accompanying him during a joint military patrol in the northern
Iraqi city Mosul. He killed the U.S. captain and another sergeant,
and wounded three others, including an Iraqi interpreter. Conflicting
versions of the killing have arisen. Col. Hazim al-Juboory, uncle
of the attacker Kaissar Saady al-Juboory, told IPS that his nephew
at first watched the U.S. soldiers beat up an Iraqi woman. When he
asked them to stop, they refused, so he opened fire.

2 Fires in Hit Iraqi Refinery; 1 Dead 07 Jan 2008 Two fires broke
out Monday in Iraq's largest oil refinery in the northern town of
Beiji, killing one person and injuring nine, police and hospital
officials said. The U.S.

military said two separate fires broke out in the refinery in the
town 155 miles north of Baghdad due to a mechanical fault [?].

Fire destroys Iraq refinery's LPG unit - engineer 07 Jan 2008 Iraq's
largest oil refinery was continuing to operate on Monday despite a
fire that destroyed its liquified petroleum gas (LPG) unit, an
engineer at the facility told Reuters. The engineer at Baiji refinery,
who spoke on condition of anonymity, said the fire had stopped
spreading but firefighters were struggling to extinguish the blaze
and had asked for reinforcements.

Bush to push Turkey, Iraq on Kurd fighters 08 Jan 2008 US President
[sic] George W. Bush was to encourage Turkish President Abdullah
Gul Tuesday to work with Iraq on a "long-term political solution"
to clashes with Kurdish fighters, the White House said.

US almost opened fire on Iranian boats, Pentagon says 08 Jan 2008
The US and Iran have engaged in their most serious military
confrontation in recent times, with American warships on the verge
of opening fire on gunboats of the Revolutionary Guards which had
threatened to blow them up.

Iranian boats confront U.S. warships in Strait of Hormuz 07 Jan
2008 In a confrontation in the strategic Strait of Hormuz, five
armed Iranian boats approached three U.S. Navy warships in international
Iranian waters, taking aggressive actions in a brief weekend
confrontation described by the Pentagon as "reckless and dangerous."

2 Hornets crash in Persian Gulf, crews safe 07 Jan 2008 Two F/A-18
Super Hornet fighter jets from the carrier Harry S. Truman collided
in midair over the northern Persian Gulf on Monday afternoon. Rescue
teams saved the three aviators involved in the crash and safely
returned all three to the ship.

Mega barf alert! More than 10,000 police will guard Bush during
Israel visit 07 Jan 2008 Israeli officials in Jerusalem are to
deploy more than 10,000 police officers in a vast security operation
ahead of the arrival this week of George Bush, the first US president
to visit in a decade. Graffiti are being cleaned off walls, road
markings are being repainted and hundreds of American flags are
being put up across the city.

Discrimination recorded against Yemenis in Guantanamo Bay 08 Jan
2008 International human rights activists accuse the American
government of exercising discrimination against Yemenis by keeping
most of them incarcerated in the Guantanamo Bay prison while most
other foreign nationals have been returned to their respective home
countries. Of the 107 incarcerated Yemenis, only thirteen have been
returned.

Heathrow Terror Plot Extremist Jailed 08 Jan 2008 A man arrested
at Heathrow Airport has been jailed for four-and-a-half years after
he admitted planning to fly to Pakistan with the intention of
committing acts of terrorism. Sohail Qureshi admitted three charges
of preparing or commissioning terrorist acts, possessing articles
likely to be used in a terror act and possessing records likely to
be useful in terrorism.

ACLU rips plan to track R.I. students 07 Jan 2008 A tech company
with ties to a school district plans to test a tracking system by
putting computer chips on grade-schoolers' backpacks, an experiment
the ACLU ripped Monday as invasive and unnecessary. [Just destroy
the backpacks --problem solved!]

In the toilet: Bush convenes Plunge Protection Team 08 Jan 2008
Bears beware.

The New Deal of 2008 is in the works. The US Treasury is about to
shower households with rebate cheques to head off a full-blown
slump, and save the Bush p_residency. On Friday, Mr Bush convened
the so-called Plunge Protection Team for its first known meeting
in the Oval Office. The black arts unit - officially the President's
Working Group on Financial Markets - was created after the 1987
crash... The Plunge Protection Team - long kept secret - was last
mobilised to calm the markets after 9/11. It then went into hibernation
during the long boom.

US recession is already here, warns Merrill 07 Jan 2008 The US has
entered its first full-blown economic recession in 16 years, according
to investment bank Merrill Lynch. Merrill, itself one of Wall
Street's biggest casualties of the sub-prime crisis, is the first
major bank to declare that a recession in the world's biggest economy
is now underway.

Pending home sales sink 2.6% in November 08 Jan 2008 Sales contracts
on previously owned U.S. homes fell by 2.6% in November, a sign
that home sales will continue to decline. The pending home sales
index, based on contracts signed but not closed in November, fell
2.6% in November and was down 19.2% in the past year, the National
Association of Realtors reported Tuesday.

Baltimore Is Suing Bank Over Foreclosure Crisis 08 Jan 2008 Baltimores
mayor and City Council are suing Wells Fargo Bank, contending that
its lending practices discriminated against black borrowers and led
to a wave of foreclosures that has reduced city tax revenues and
increased its costs.

Bloomberg, Others Urge Bipartisanship --N.Y. Mayor, Former Lawmakers
Use Forum to Ask for Unified Government 08 Jan 2008 New York Mayor
[GOPervert] Michael R. Bloomberg, declaring once again that he is
"not a candidate" for the presidency, joined a bipartisan forum
Monday of mostly former elected officials seeking new ways to solve
Washington's partisan gridlock. [The Democrats are winning, so the
PentaPost urges 'bipartisanship!' The power-brokers who run the US
know that the people are starting to demand a curb of Bush-style
predatory capitalism, and they can't have that. Hence, the emergence
of the 'bipartisanship card.' That's code for surrender to Bush and
allowance for the corpora-terrorists to continue to plunder the
National Treasury. God only knows, we've had enough of that for
7 years. Eliminate the Bush dictatorship; gridlock will end. --LRP]

Obama widens lead over Clinton in New Hampshire 08 Jan 2008 Democrat
Barack Obama expanded his lead over Hillary Clinton in New Hampshire
to 13 points as voting began in the state's critical presidential
primary, according to a Reuters/C-SPAN/Zogby poll released on
Tuesday.

Obama and McCain get early win in New Hampshire hamlet --GOP gets
7 votes;

Dems, 10 08 Jan 2008 Sen. Barack Obama won seven of the 10 votes
cast for Democrats in the first balloting of the New Hampshire
primary on Tuesday in the northern hamlet of Dixville Notch, while
Sen. John McCain won the Republican balloting.

Edwards burns the midnight oil 08 Jan 2008 Presidential candidates
often call on America to "wake up" but John Edwards is bringing
that message to voters literally. The couple launched a 36-hour bus
tour of New Hampshire that began on Sunday and ended in the early
hours of today - the day that polls open.

Huckabee vows to defy birthright citizenship 08 Jan 2008 Mike
Huckabee wants to amend the Constitution to prevent children born
in the U.S. to illegal aliens from automatically becoming American
citizens, according to his top immigration surrogate -- a radical
step no other major presidential candidate has embraced.

Court Stays Out of Mich. Abortion Case 07 Jan 2008 The Supreme Court
turned down efforts by Michigan and an anti-abortion group Monday
to revive the state's law banning the procedure opponents call
partial-birth abortion.

Scientists: Flu virus must pick lock before entering human 07 Jan
2008 U.S.

researchers found that flu viruses must be able to pick a very
specific type of lock before entering human respiratory cells, media
reports quoted researchers as saying Monday. [And Bush's bioterrorists
have the key.]

Groups cite oil leases in U.S. delay on rating polar bear's status
08 Jan 2008 Environmental groups fear that political meddling and
a rush to sell oil leases in Arctic waters are behind the Bush
administration's announcement Monday that it will miss a legal
deadline to determine whether to list the polar bear under the
Endangered Species Act. Climate scientists predict that floating
polar ice will disappear by midcentury, leaving the bear without
food and habitat. Two-thirds of the population could disappear by
2050, scientists say.

Polar Bear Fate Undecided --U.S. Agency Says It Will Miss Deadline
for Endangered Species Decision 07 Jan 2008 The head of the U.S.
Fish and Wildlife Service took responsibility Monday for missing a
deadline requiring a final decision on whether to give polar bears
federal protection under the Endangered Species Act. "Rather than
speed up protections for this iconic animal, the Bush administration
is speeding up its giveaway of polar bear habitat to big oil," said
Rep. Edward Markey, D-Mass., in a statement. Markey chairs the House
Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Decision on Listing Polar Bear Postponed 08 Jan 2008 Federal officials
said Monday that they will need a few more weeks to decide whether
polar bears need protection under the Endangered Species Act because
of global warming. The deadline was Wednesday, but the U.S. Fish
and Wildlife Service said it now hopes to provide a recommendation
to Interior Secretary Dirk Kempthorne in time for a decision by him
within the next month. [Please sign NRDC's petition to add the polar
bear to the "threatened" list.]

Pittsburgh basking in 66 degrees in January 08 Jan 2008 According
to the National Weather Service, the high temperature for Pittsburgh
yesterday reached 66, shattering the old record of 63 set on Jan.
7, 1930, by an almost-balmy three degrees of separation. "And we'll
probably break the record again," said Roger Stairs, a meteorologist
with the weather service, which is forecasting highs in the mid-
to upper 60s today.

Rare winter tornadoes pop up in nation's midsection 08 Jan 2008 A
tornado was reported blowing across eastern Arkansas Tuesday, a day
after a freak cluster of January twisters sprung up in the unseasonably
warm Midwest and demolished houses, knocked a railroad locomotive
off its tracks and shuttered a courthouse.

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[Previous lead stories:] Al-Qaeda: bombs waiting for Bush visit 07
Jan 2008 An 'al Qaeda' member [Adam Pearlman] warned on a videotape
Sunday that U.S.

President [sic] George Bush's upcoming trip to the Middle East will
meet bombs and booby-traps instead of roses and applause, media
reported Monday.

U.S. says Iranian gunboats harassed warships --Officials describe
incident as a 'significant provocative act' 07 Jan 2008 Iranian
Revolutionary Guard gunboats harassed three U.S. Navy warships in
the Strait of Hormuz Sunday, in what the U.S. military officials
described as a "significant provocative act."

Military officials told NBC News Monday that two U.S. Navy destroyers
and one frigate were heading into the Persian Gulf through the
international Iranian waters of the Strait of Hormuz when five armed
"fast boats" of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard approached a high
speed, darting in and out of the formation. At one point a radio
message from one of the Iranian boats warned, "You are going to
blow up within minutes." [How can you 'harass' a (foreign) warship
in your own waters? Its existence in your waters is, in itself, a
provocation. --LRP]

Navy fighter jets crash in Persian Gulf 07 Jan 2008 Two U.S. Navy
fighter jets plunged into the Persian Gulf Monday, after what initial
reports suggest was a mid-air collision, a defense official said.
All three pilots ejected safely from the planes and were headed
back to the USS Harry Truman, the aircraft carrier they were operating
from, according to the official, who requested anonymity because
the information was preliminary and not yet released publicly.

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cor <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote:

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They're definitely trying harder!
 
"cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message
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> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.


BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should get
the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva
convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have
accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva
convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in
the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their
Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around
comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame **** that Bush
caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of years
and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane
asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!
 
On Thu, 10 Jan 2008 13:30:31 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:

>
>"cor" <corDEL@exchangenet.net> wrote in message
>news:13obrdh4r0vlo0c@corp.supernews.com...
>>
>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>
>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should get
>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva
>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have
>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva
>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in
>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their
>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around
>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame **** that Bush
>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of years
>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane
>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!


But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
some of us anyway.

WB Yeats
 
<wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message
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>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.

>>
>>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should
>>get
>>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva
>>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have
>>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva
>>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in
>>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their
>>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around
>>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame **** that Bush
>>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of
>>years
>>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane
>>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!


> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
> some of us anyway.


Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

Sorry if you place yourself outside the rules of civilized conduct -
there you are. Choice was yours. "We're better than that?" That only makes
us DEAD! Bullshit on that! We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.
They want to fly an airplane into our skyscrapers? We should fly our B-2 to
their villages and drop a nuke on them. Problem solved! Kill 3,000 of us,
we kill 3 million of you. See how long those odds keep working fer ya!
Seems they are already running our of MARTYRS in Iraq. They ran out of
virgins LONG ago.

Better than WHAT?
 
" krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
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>


>
> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.


The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters that say otherwise.

Mens sana.
 
Mens sana wrote:
> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...
>
>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>
> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters


Go live in one you scumbag.
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:42:13 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:

>
><wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message
>news:r24fo354a9io6deh5ct56rl01827g5r481@4ax.com...
>>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
>>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
>>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
>>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
>>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
>>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
>>>
>>>BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should
>>>get
>>>the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva
>>>convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have
>>>accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva
>>>convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in
>>>the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their
>>>Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around
>>>comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame **** that Bush
>>>caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of
>>>years
>>>and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane
>>>asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!

>
>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
>> some of us anyway.

>
>Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!


A pox on both Islam and Xtianity. Exactly what has either of these
done for the poor? The disenfranchised? Peace? The founders of these
movements would be sick to observe what has happened to both.
"Convert or die?" Sounds like the Catholic Inquisition as much as the
war cry of Islam.

> Sorry if you place yourself outside the rules of civilized conduct -
>there you are. Choice was yours. "We're better than that?" That only makes
>us DEAD! Bullshit on that! We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.
>They want to fly an airplane into our skyscrapers? We should fly our B-2 to
>their villages and drop a nuke on them. Problem solved! Kill 3,000 of us,
>we kill 3 million of you. See how long those odds keep working fer ya!
>Seems they are already running our of MARTYRS in Iraq. They ran out of
>virgins LONG ago.


You espouse a jihadi type war against one of the world's major
religions. If one walks like a duck, etc; one is most likely a duck.
Why do you possibly feel you're any better than Mohammed Atta?
An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth leaves everybody blind and
hungry. Dumb, dumb, dumb!

>Better than WHAT?


Than you to start. Than blind vengeance for another.

WB Yeats

Watch our what you do with that gun, sonny. You'll shoot your eye out.
 
wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 10:42:13 GMT, " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> <wbyeats@ireland.com> wrote in message
>> news:r24fo354a9io6deh5ct56rl01827g5r481@4ax.com...
>>>>> Bagram detention centre now twice the size of Guantanamo 08 Jan
>>>>> 2008 The United States has quietly expanded the number of "enemy
>>>>> combatants" being held in judicial limbo at its Bagram military
>>>>> base in Afghanistan, a facility which has now grown to more than
>>>>> twice the size of the controversial and much more widely discussed
>>>>> military prison at Guantanamo Bay in Cuba.
>>>> BOO FUKKING HOO! The bastards (terrorists) who have been captured should
>>>> get
>>>> the same treatment they have given people like Paul Johnson. Geneva
>>>> convention? HA! The Geneva convention applies ONLY to people who have
>>>> accepted it and HONOR it! NOT to THUGS. For them there is NO Geneva
>>>> convention, what they sew so SHALL they reap! They want to shoot women in
>>>> the back of the head because they show too much ankle from under their
>>>> Burkas, or behead folks, they they MUST get the SAME. What ya send around
>>>> comes around. And PLEASE - jerkoff - do NOT try the lame **** that Bush
>>>> caused all of this. These people have been doing this for thousands of
>>>> years
>>>> and Bush isn't quite THAT old. Now just go back to that rock at the insane
>>>> asylum you crawled out from underneath and STFU NUTJOB!
>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
>>> some of us anyway.

>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>
> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.



A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.

Islime chop heads.

Christians do not.

http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php

Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad
literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the
word has come to mean "holy war".

There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,
which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser
Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our
purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the
Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli
interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and
Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no
surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a
Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.

Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is
so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As
you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad
against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:

"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies
of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto
you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)

"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if
they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).

"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from
where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;
But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you
there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those
who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most
Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And
the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no
hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).

"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked
to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye
prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the
comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go
forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in
your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power
over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous
penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the
least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).

"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)

"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no
friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)

"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,
beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
(Surah 9:5)

As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels
comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the
Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of
which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the
practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to
the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet
Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify
scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:
"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in
Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah
and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or
booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed
in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my
followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and
I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,
and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His
cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira
added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy
battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to
die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.
"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out
Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His
Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into
Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to
his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:
Narrated Abu Huraira.

Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize
that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim
who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,
you are an enemy.

It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations
make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these
nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very
practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even
sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are
Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their
own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!
 
"Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message
news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...
> Mens sana wrote:
>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...
>>
>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.

>>
>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>
> Go live in one you scumbag.



Is the poor little Merkin all upset at the truth?

The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had
to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

Mens sana.
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>
wrote:


>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had
>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.


Well, no -- that's not what happened.

The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched
into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite
nicely.
 
Mens sana wrote:
> "Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message
> news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...
>> Mens sana wrote:
>>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.
>>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>> Go live in one you scumbag.

>
>
> Is the poor little Merkin


DIE YOU SCUM!
 
Mens sana wrote:
> "Seal Harbor" <lion@rock.sea> wrote in message
> news:Ii6ij.230228$uv7.211281@fe05.news.easynews.com...
>> Mens sana wrote:
>>> " krp" <web2457k@verizon.net> wrote in message
>>> news:9Q0ij.7390$W73.4471@trnddc04...
>>>
>>>> We ARE better. Better shots and better at war.
>>> The Viet Cong have lots of rusty helicopters

>> Go live in one you scumbag.

>
>
> Is the poor little Merkin all upset at the truth?
>
> The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had
> to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.
>
> Mens sana.
>
>
>

DIE YOU SCUM!
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:


>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
>>>> some of us anyway.
>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!

>>
>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>
>
>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.
>
>Islime chop heads.
>
>Christians do not.
>
>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php
>
>Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad
>literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the
>word has come to mean "holy war".
>
>There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,
>which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser
>Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our
>purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the
>Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli
>interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and
>Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no
>surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a
>Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.
>
>Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is
>so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As
>you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad
>against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:
>
>"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
>including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies
>of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto
>you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)
>
>"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if
>they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).
>
>"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
>limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from
>where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;
>But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you
>there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those
>who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most
>Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And
>the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no
>hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).
>
>"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked
>to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye
>prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the
>comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go
>forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in
>your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power
>over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous
>penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the
>least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).
>
>"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)
>
>"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no
>friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)
>
>"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,
>beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
>(Surah 9:5)
>
>As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels
>comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the
>Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of
>which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the
>practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to
>the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet
>Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify
>scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:
>"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in
>Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah
>and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or
>booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed
>in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my
>followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and
>I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,
>and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His
>cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.
>"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira
>added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy
>battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to
>die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.
>"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out
>Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His
>Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into
>Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to
>his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:
>Narrated Abu Huraira.
>
>Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize
>that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim
>who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,
>you are an enemy.
>
>It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations
>make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these
>nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very
>practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even
>sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are
>Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their
>own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!



It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing of
innocent people even after the Ten Commandments said
 
"Don Homuth" <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote in message
news:ev3io3p02gcfuuodgad4mbt73g2nqvkoa5@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>
> wrote:
>
>
>>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had
>>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

>
> Well, no -- that's not what happened.
>
> The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched
> into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite
> nicely.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7ccOdonCo

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVO7obuT9e0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQoQDkhbYw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDF2aQpYZc


Helicopters bearing US insignia ditching beside a US aircraft carrier or
being pushed off a US aircraft carrier by US military personnel. Helicopters
that had taken off from US territory carrying fleeing Americans, including
US Marines ("These colours don't run" LOL) and collaborators.

It was a rout. A first class arse kicking.

Mens sana.
 
Mens sana wrote:

> "Don Homuth" <dhomuthoneatcomcast.net@> wrote in message
> news:ev3io3p02gcfuuodgad4mbt73g2nqvkoa5@4ax.com...
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:57:03 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>
>>wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>The Viet Cong, a peasant army, kicked America's arse so badly that you had
>>>to throw your helicopters into the sea in your panic to run away.

>>
>>Well, no -- that's not what happened.
>>
>>The photos of the helicopters you saw being thrown into or ditched
>>into the sea had been piloted by RVN personnel. Ours landed quite
>>nicely.

>
>
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bV7ccOdonCo
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SVO7obuT9e0
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcQoQDkhbYw
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oVDF2aQpYZc


> Helicopters bearing US insignia ditching beside a US aircraft carrier or
> being pushed off a US aircraft carrier by US military personnel.


Silly goose. Those are NOT US insignia.

The South Vietnamese national insignia was identical to the US insignia
except being outlined in red rather than blue and the horizontal bars in
yellow rather than white.

http://content.answers.com/main/content/wp/en/thumb/2/21/300px-T28-bienhoa1962.jpg
http://modelingmadness.com/WarplaneColors/34/33.jpg

Peace and justice,
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:
>
>
>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
>>>>> some of us anyway.
>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!
>>>
>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.

>>
>>
>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.
>>
>>Islime chop heads.
>>
>>Christians do not.
>>
>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php
>>
>>Since 9/11, the word "Jihad" has become a household word. Jihad
>>literally means "struggle" in Arabic. Among conservative Muslims, the
>>word has come to mean "holy war".
>>
>>There are actually two kinds of Jihad. There is the Greater Jihad,
>>which is the inner struggle for sanctity. Then there is the Lesser
>>Jihad, or an actual fight against infidels, or non-Muslims. For our
>>purposes, we will discuss only the Lesser Jihad. After all, this is the
>>Jihad that has resulted in countless attacks against U.S. and Israeli
>>interests. The Muslim scripture - the Qur'an - refers to Jews and
>>Christians specifically as infidels. Therefore, it should be no
>>surprise that Israel and the U.S. (a nation at least founded as a
>>Christian nation) would be the primary targets of the Jihad.
>>
>>Many would say that only "radical" Muslims espouse Jihad. If that is
>>so, then every Muslim who believes in the Qur'an must be radical. As
>>you shall see, the Qur'an specifically makes a case for waging Jihad
>>against infidels. The following are quotes from the Qur'an:
>>
>>"Against them make ready your strength to the utmost of your power,
>>including steeds of war, to strike terror into the hearts of the enemies
>>of Allah...Whatever ye spend in the cause of Allah shall be repaid unto
>>you, and ye shall not be treated unjustly." (Surah 8:60)
>>
>>"Truly Allah loves those who fight in His Cause in battle array, as if
>>they were a solid cemented structure," (Surah 61:4).
>>
>>"Fight in the cause of Allah those who fight you but do not transgress
>>limits...191And slay them wherever ye catch them. and turn them out from
>>where they have turned you out; for persecution is worse than slaughter;
>>But fight them not at the sacred Mosque unless they (first) fight you
>>there; But if they fight you, slay them. Such is the reward of those
>>who reject faith. 192 But if they cease, Allah is oft-forgiving, Most
>>Merciful. 193And fight them on until there is no more persecution. And
>>the religion becomes Allah's. But if they cease, Let there be no
>>hostility except to those who practice oppression" (Surah 2:190-193).
>>
>>"O ye who believe! what is the matter with you, that, when ye are asked
>>to go forth in the cause of Allah, ye cling heavily to the earth? Do ye
>>prefer the life of this world to the Hereafter? But little is the
>>comfort of this life, as compared with the Hereafter. Unless ye go
>>forth, He will punish you with a grievous penalty, and put others in
>>your place; but Him ye would not harm in the least. For Allah hath power
>>over all things. Unless ye go forth, He will punish you with a grievous
>>penalty, and put others in your place; but Him ye would not harm in the
>>least. For Allah hath power over all things," (Surah 9:38-39).
>>
>>"For the unbelievers are to you open enemies" (Surah 4:101)
>>
>>"Seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and in any case take no
>>friends or helpers from their ranks." (Surah 4:89)
>>
>>"Then fight and slay the pagans wherever ye find them and seize them,
>>beleaguer them and lie in wait for them in every stratagem of war."
>>(Surah 9:5)
>>
>>As you can see, the commandment to wage a holy war against infidels
>>comes not from some radical Islamic cleric. It comes, in fact, from the
>>Islamic scripture! And while there are radical Muslim sects, one of
>>which thinks that Jihad should be the sixth Pillar of Islam, the
>>practice of Jihad is mainstream. For even more evidence, let's refer to
>>the Hadith. The Hadith are the quotes and actions of the Muslim prophet
>>Muhammad. They are often used in conjunction with the Qur'an to clarify
>>scripture. As you can see, Muhammad favored Holy War as well:
>>"The Prophet said, "The person who participates in (Holy battles) in
>>Allah's cause and nothing compels him to do so except belief in Allah
>>and His Apostles, will be recompensed by Allah either with a reward, or
>>booty (if he survives) or will be admitted to Paradise (if he is killed
>>in the battle as a martyr). Had I not found it difficult for my
>>followers, then I would not remain behind any sariya going for Jihad and
>>I would have loved to be martyred in Allah's cause and then made alive,
>>and then martyred and then made alive, and then again martyred in His
>>cause." Volume 1, Book 2, Number 35, Narrated Abu Huraira.
>>"Allah's Apostle said, "A pious slave gets a double reward." Abu Huraira
>>added: By Him in Whose Hands my soul is but for Jihad (i.e. holy
>>battles), Hajj, and my duty to serve my mother, I would have loved to
>>die as a slave. Volume 3, Book 46, Number 724: Narrated Abu Huraira.
>>"Allah's Apostle said, "Allah guarantees (the person who carries out
>>Jihad in His Cause and nothing compelled him to go out but Jihad in His
>>Cause and the belief in His Word) that He will either admit him into
>>Paradise (Martyrdom) or return him with reward or booty he has earned to
>>his residence from where he went out." Volume 9, Book 93, Number 555:
>>Narrated Abu Huraira.
>>
>>Why is it important to know this? Because every non-Muslim must realize
>>that according to Islam, you are an infidel. And to a faithful Muslim
>>who believes the Qur'an and faithfully executes his religious duties,
>>you are an enemy.
>>
>>It's also important to know this, because fundamental Islamic nations
>>make war and fund terror based on the belief in Jihad. Many of these
>>nations outlaw not only Christian evangelizing, but also the very
>>practice of Christianity. People have been imprisoned and even
>>sentenced to death for being openly Christian. These people are
>>Christian martyrs, who contended for their faith and the cost of their
>>own earthly lives. What great rewards God must have for them in Heaven!

>
>
>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing



Cluebat!

Islime = headchopping TODAY...

Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.

HTH, you asshat!
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 20:34:33 -0000, "Mens sana" <Spambush@Area51.cia>
wrote:

>


>It was a rout.


DIE YOU SCUM!
 
On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 16:25:11 -0800, Bill Shatzer
<bshatzerNO@comcast.net> wrote:


>Peace and justice,


>And over 4,000 Americans have paid with their lives for that little
>adventure. Plus a half a trillion dollars in national treasure
>
>You might compare that with the number of lives lost on 9-11. Or the
>economic injury incurred from that event.
>
>It would have been cheaper in both lives and money to just suffer
>another 9-11 every six or seven years.
 
On Sun, 13 Jan 2008 00:36:03 GMT, tangential <ray@vector.it> wrote:

>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 12:13:53 -0800, wbyeats@ireland.com wrote:
>
>>On Sat, 12 Jan 2008 17:52:10 GMT, Seal Harbor <lion@rock.sea> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>> But Mommy, Mommy! Jimmy's mother let him jump off the bridge. Why
>>>>>> can't I? If you want to be like a Jihadi, act like a Jihadi, and do
>>>>>> like a Jihadi then don't pretend NOT to be one. Others behavior is no
>>>>>> reason to act like them. We're supposed to be better than that - well,
>>>>>> some of us anyway.
>>>>> Nice sophistry. They say "CONVERT OR DIE" - I say YOU FIRST ASSHOLE!
>>>>
>>>> A pox on both Islam and Xtianity.
>>>
>>>
>>>A pox on foul scumsuckers like who can so swiftly lie to equate the two.
>>>
>>>Islime chop heads.
>>>
>>>Christians do not.
>>>
>>>http://www.contenderministries.org/islam/jihad.php


>>It always amazes me how many times this God orders the killing

>
>
>Cluebat!
>
>Islime = headchopping TODAY...
>
>Christianity = reformation = NO more head chopping.
>
>HTH, you asshat!


Good job, Goober. Edit anything with which you don't agree and then
add some idiotic comment. Which religion do you feel has killed more
folks in history - Judaism, Christianity, or Islam. Hint: it's the one
in the middle. Just check your history. Secondly - religious hatred,
oppression, and violence ended with the Reformation? Again, check your
history. Can you say pogroms? Can you say Holocaust? Can you say
Bosnia? Thought not.

WB Yeats
 
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