Vista Home Premium

A

AliceZ

Guest
I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

"ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

which is a bit confusing and daunting

 
J

John Barnett MVP

Guest
I am using Vista Ultimate and only use the Windows Vista Firewall however,

my broadband connection does work through a modem/router (the router

effectively being a hardware firewall rather than software). The 'ping' you

refer to from ShieldUp simply means that the ShieldsUp program managed to

get through the firewall and register your IP address.

While I use Vista's firewall I have also always been an advocate of Zone

Alarm (the free version). If you feel worried or threatened by what you read

regarding firewalls and want to make the change, the by all means download

Zone Alarm (free version) I would certainly recommend it.

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"AliceZ" <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1A96E465-10D8-4A3B-80D0-05FA04A2A2A2@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue">

>I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me

> yesterday

> that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They

> suggested I

> should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

>

> Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now

> since

> I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> which is a bit confusing and daunting </span>

 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Guest
There is nothing wrong with Vista's built-in firewall.

However, for maximum protection, consider installing

a comprehensive anti-virus/security program, such as

Windows OneCare. You can try it FREE for 90 days.

http://onecare.live.com/standard/en-us/default.htm

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"AliceZ" wrote:

I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

"ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

which is a bit confusing and daunting

 
A

AliceZ

Guest
Just wanted to mention that I tried the Shields Up not only on the Toshiba

notebook with Vista Home Premium Sp1 (with also AVG-AV; AVG-AS, SpyBlaster),

but also on our WinXPsp2 desktop which has NAV (AVG-AS; AdAware, SpyBlaster)

and that also showed the same "ping" thing.

"AliceZ" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

> that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

> should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

>

> Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

> I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> which is a bit confusing and daunting</span>

 
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AliceZ

Guest
Sorry - forgot to mention that I also use DSL.

"AliceZ" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> Just wanted to mention that I tried the Shields Up not only on the Toshiba

> notebook with Vista Home Premium Sp1 (with also AVG-AV; AVG-AS, SpyBlaster),

> but also on our WinXPsp2 desktop which has NAV (AVG-AS; AdAware, SpyBlaster)

> and that also showed the same "ping" thing.

>

> "AliceZ" wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

> > I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> > was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

> > that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

> > should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> > that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> > "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

> >

> > Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> > Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

> > I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> > novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> > which is a bit confusing and daunting</span></span>

 
C

Carey Frisch [MVP]

Guest
Run the Symantec Security check:

http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/default...id=ie&venid=sym

--

Carey Frisch

Microsoft MVP

Windows Desktop Experience -

Windows Vista Enthusiast

---------------------------------------------------------------

"AliceZ" <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4231904C-5913-4A96-B836-5EC2B0EE0743@microsoft.com...

Sorry - forgot to mention that I also use DSL.

"AliceZ" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> Just wanted to mention that I tried the Shields Up not only on the Toshiba

> notebook with Vista Home Premium Sp1 (with also AVG-AV; AVG-AS, SpyBlaster),

> but also on our WinXPsp2 desktop which has NAV (AVG-AS; AdAware, SpyBlaster)

> and that also showed the same "ping" thing.

>

> "AliceZ" wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

> > I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> > was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

> > that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

> > should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> > that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> > "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

> >

> > Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> > Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

> > I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> > novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> > which is a bit confusing and daunting</span></span>

 
A

Alun Jones

Guest
"AliceZ" <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1A96E465-10D8-4A3B-80D0-05FA04A2A2A2@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue">

> I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which

> I

> was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me

> yesterday

> that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They

> suggested I

> should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.</span>

ShieldsUP is written by Steve Gibson, whom some revere as a security genius,

and the rest of us think he's a plagiarising idiot who doesn't know what

he's talking about.

It has been a long time since 'ping' was anything remotely like a security

threat. I personally like keeping it in place, as it is used as a measure of

network connectivity.

The firewall in Windows Vista is sufficient for most purposes, and is

configurable. ZoneAlarm (what 'ZA' usually stands for) is something of a

fashion, and if you want a program that keeps asking "is it okay to let this

application communicate to the Internet?", and believe that you can

competently answer that question, then perhaps it's for you. However,

Windows Vista's firewall does a thoroughly competent job of preventing

traffic that you didn't invite.

<span style="color:blue">

> Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now

> since

> I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> which is a bit confusing and daunting</span>

Perhaps now is not the time to be adding a new program that is going to

assume you understand what you're doing?

Make sure you keep patched, keep your anti-virus and anti-spyware updated

(there are free anti-virus and anti-spyware programs, if you can't afford to

keep current on the short-term subscription to whatever came with your

system), and you should be ahead of most people.

The big additional feature most people will suggest ZoneAlarm for is that of

"outbound filtering". In an enterprise, this could be useful, in that it

allows you to prevent policy-breaking programs from communicating outside

the system - for a home user, it's "game over" already if you have an

unauthorised program installed on your system. [And in an enterprise, there

are better tools than ZoneAlarm available - an enterprise would not trust a

potentially-malicious machine to police itself]

Alun.

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vista_man

Guest
I have Vista Home Premium and use Sphinx Vista Firewall Control,

freeware version.

It works with Windows Firewall and you can control what goes _out_ from

your pc.

Done a ShieldsUp test and reports my pc is invisible ??

Running, the program uses 3500k of memory (not much) and installs on

disk using 1.90mb

In 12 months, it seems i have been well protected. Whether its Vista

Firewall Control, Windows Firewall or the combination of the 2 ?

cheers

--

vista_man

 
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Straight Talk

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:35:02 -0700, AliceZ

<AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

>was told had good security programs installed) </span>

what security programs are those?

<span style="color:blue">

>and someone told me yesterday that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is

>not (very) effective. </span>

That's just the usual nonsense from clueless "outbound control"

junkies.

<span style="color:blue">

>They suggested I should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). </span>

For what purpose? - For ******** up your network and making your

system possibly more vulnerable? Fine - go ahead.

<span style="color:blue">

>They mentioned that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

>"ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.</span>

Yes. Followers of Gibsons "stealthing" nonsense will often say

something like that. They are mostly clueless security wannabees. As

long as you're not exposing any open ports you should be fine.

Responding to pings is not to be considered a security risk unless you

believe in security theater.

<span style="color:blue">

>Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

>Firewall? </span>

It's good enough.

<span style="color:blue">

>Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

>I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

>novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

>which is a bit confusing and daunting</span>

As a novice you should pay more attention to what you do, what sites

you visit and so on. Don't click on everything you see and don't

run/install/allow all kinds of **** from dubious sources.

And most important: Keep your system patched.

 
S

Straight Talk

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 07:26:01 -0700, AliceZ

<AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>Just wanted to mention that I tried the Shields Up not only on the Toshiba

>notebook with Vista Home Premium Sp1 (with also AVG-AV; AVG-AS, SpyBlaster),

>but also on our WinXPsp2 desktop which has NAV (AVG-AS; AdAware, SpyBlaster)

>and that also showed the same "ping" thing.</span>

This indicates that your DSL thing is also a router, and ShieldsUp is

actually testing this device and not your machine. Nonetheless no real

issue.

 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:35:02 -0700, AliceZ

<AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

> that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective.</span>

I disagree. I think the built-in Vista firewall is fine, and there's

no reason to avoid using it. It's what I use.

However, regarding having "good security programs installed," note

that besides a firewall, you also need an anti-virus program, and at

least two anti-spyware programs.

Vista does not come with anti-virus software and you need to install

a third-party product. I recommend either the freeware Avast, or

ESET's NOD32, if you are willing to pay for one.

Regarding anti-spyware, Vista comes with Windows Defender. It's OK,

but note that just using one anti-spyware program is not good

enough. Eric Howes, who has done extensive testing on Anti-Spyware

products,

states:

"No single anti-spyware scanner removes everything. Even the

best-performing anti-spyware scanner in these tests missed fully one

quarter of the "critical" files and Registry entries" See

http://spywarewarrior.com/asw-test-guide.htm

I recommend that you use two or more of the following:

Spybot Search and Destroy

Adaware

Spyware Blaster

Windows Defender

Super-Antispyware

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

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AliceZ

Guest
"Straight Talk" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 06:35:02 -0700, AliceZ

> <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

> >I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> >was told had good security programs installed) </span>

>

> what security programs are those?</span>

I was referring to the Vista Home Premium Firewall, Defender, etc. Also, the

AVG-AV; AVG-AS; SpyBlaster that I had installed by my son.

 
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AliceZ

Guest
Thanks

i just mentioned the NAV on the desktop (which also got the 1 ping thing)

because not only the Vista Home Premium sps1 (firewall) and the NAV showed

this ping thing. I always get weekly updates for the NAV and then do full

scan.

"Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> Run the Symantec Security check:

> http://security.symantec.com/sscv6/default...id=ie&venid=sym

>

> --

> Carey Frisch

> Microsoft MVP

> Windows Desktop Experience -

> Windows Vista Enthusiast

>

> ---------------------------------------------------------------

>

> "AliceZ" <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message news:4231904C-5913-4A96-B836-5EC2B0EE0743@microsoft.com...

> Sorry - forgot to mention that I also use DSL.

>

> "AliceZ" wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

> > Just wanted to mention that I tried the Shields Up not only on the Toshiba

> > notebook with Vista Home Premium Sp1 (with also AVG-AV; AVG-AS, SpyBlaster),

> > but also on our WinXPsp2 desktop which has NAV (AVG-AS; AdAware, SpyBlaster)

> > and that also showed the same "ping" thing.

> >

> > "AliceZ" wrote:

> > <span style="color:darkred">

> > > I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> > > was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me yesterday

> > > that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They suggested I

> > > should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> > > that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> > > "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

> > >

> > > Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> > > Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now since

> > > I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> > > novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> > > which is a bit confusing and daunting</span></span>

> </span>

 
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windyvoice

Guest
"AliceZ" <AliceZ@discussions.microsoft.com> wrote in message

news:1A96E465-10D8-4A3B-80D0-05FA04A2A2A2@microsoft.com...<span style="color:blue">

>I just bought a Toshbia A305 S6825 notebook with Vista Premium sp1 (which I

> was told had good security programs installed) and someone told me

> yesterday

> that the Firewall on Virsta Premium is not (very) effective. They

> suggested I

> should use the (new) ZA (which is about 45MB, so they say). They mentioned

> that they used "ShieldsUP" to test Vista Premium's Firewall and found a

> "ping" (don't know what that is!) got through.

>

> Does anyone have any thoughts/suggestions about the Vista Home Premium's

> Firewall? Or is this just too "hi tech" for me to get worried about now

> since

> I just bought the new Toshiba with Vista Home Premium sp1 and since I am a

> novice at all of this? I am trying to learn so much, as soon as possible,

> which is a bit confusing and daunting</span>

Vista firewall is, by default, set to work on incoming only. It can be set

to protect on outgoing, also, but can be confusing to a new user. There is

some debate as to whether outgoing protection is even needed since incoming

should not allow any nasties to enter. But firewalls are not 100% effective,

no security is, of course. I like outgoing because I can see what or who is

asking to connect and what program is trying to phone home. The bad guys

come out with programs and viruses so fast it is hard for any security

company to keep ahead of them so we are never completely safe online. It is

a risk we all take just by connecting.

According to leak tests, only a few free firewalls pass, Online Armor (not

yet Vista Compatible) and Comodo Firewall Pro if you use the defense +

security in version 3 (see Scot's Newsletter) (compatible if you use the

latest version 3). The paid Zone Alarm passes, the free doesn't. Vista

built in firewall doesn't pass the leak test but is usually enough for a

home user, especially if you have a router. Any firewall, in training mode,

will ask if you want to let a program connect if it has outgoing protection.

http://blog.scotsnewsletter.com/2008/03/24...8-online-armor/

http://www.scotsnewsletter.com/index.htm

http://www.matousec.com/info/articles/intr...eak-testing.php

Sphinx Vista Firewall Control can be used to adjust the Vista Firewall for

both incoming and outgoing (outgoing lets you see if anything is trying to

phone home but you need to know if the phoning is good or bad). I am using

Comodo Firewall Pro free 3 (latest version) with AVG Antivirus (Avast and

Anitvir free are better but don't play well with Comodo on my system).

Comodo shows stealth on various test sites. I was using Kaspersky Internet

Security 7 but it had problems with Vista that were just too annoying so it

is working well on our WinXP computer.

I do not like Norton anything. Symantec is very intrusive and uses lots of

resources and memory. When I used it, our machine got infected several

times. It never got an infection with Kaspersky but, as stated, had

problems on this particular system. Do not run more than one AV at any

time. If you want a second opinion Trend Micro's Online House Call can scan

your system online and report any problems your installed AV may have

missed. There are also other online scanners, but I can't remember the

addresses. Maybe one of the MVPs can tell you.

Trend Micro also has a free root-kit scanner called rootkitbuster. Spyware

is a huge problem on the net and a good spyware program (such as Windows

Defender) should help. There are other spyware programs you can use to scan

as a second opinion. Hope this helps. Sorry for the long-windedness.

 
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Straight Talk

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 10:31:44 -0500, vista_man

<guest@unknown-email.com> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>

>I have Vista Home Premium and use Sphinx Vista Firewall Control,

>freeware version.

>

>It works with Windows Firewall and you can control what goes _out_ from

>your pc.

>

>Done a ShieldsUp test and reports my pc is invisible ??</span>

How do you manage to hit the right buttons when it's invisible?

<span style="color:blue">

>Running, the program uses 3500k of memory (not much) and installs on

>disk using 1.90mb

>

>In 12 months, it seems i have been well protected. Whether its Vista

>Firewall Control, Windows Firewall or the combination of the 2 ?</span>

It's just the windows firewall in combination with your brain that has

kept you protected. No need for all kinds of anti-****.

 
S

Straight Talk

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:59:11 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"

<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>However, regarding having "good security programs installed," note

>that besides a firewall, you also need an anti-virus program, and at

>least two anti-spyware programs.</span>

And soon your new turbo-machine is crippled with anti-****.

BTW, how would adding further potentially vulnerable code to an

already vulnerable system actually increase it's security?

<span style="color:blue">

>I recommend that you use two or more of the following:

>

>Spybot Search and Destroy

>Adaware

>Spyware Blaster

>Windows Defender

>Super-Antispyware </span>

I recommend keeping the bad stuff out instead. This is done mainly by

staying away from inherently broken software, keeping ones system

patched and using ones brain.

 
K

Ken Blake, MVP

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:20:00 +0200, Straight Talk

<b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:59:11 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"

> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

> >However, regarding having "good security programs installed," note

> >that besides a firewall, you also need an anti-virus program, and at

> >least two anti-spyware programs.</span>

>

> And soon your new turbo-machine is crippled with anti-****.

>

> BTW, how would adding further potentially vulnerable code to an

> already vulnerable system actually increase it's security?

> <span style="color:green">

> >I recommend that you use two or more of the following:

> >

> >Spybot Search and Destroy

> >Adaware

> >Spyware Blaster

> >Windows Defender

> >Super-Antispyware </span>

>

> I recommend keeping the bad stuff out instead. This is done mainly by

> staying away from inherently broken software, keeping ones system

> patched and using ones brain.</span>

All of those things are good to do. But relying on them alone is

foolhardy.

--

Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP - Windows Desktop Experience

Please Reply to the Newsgroup

 
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Straight Talk

Guest
On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 12:52:48 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"

<kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

>On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 21:20:00 +0200, Straight Talk

><b__nice@hotmail.com> wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>> On Tue, 29 Apr 2008 08:59:11 -0700, "Ken Blake, MVP"

>> <kblake@this.is.an.invalid.domain> wrote:

>> <span style="color:darkred">

>> >However, regarding having "good security programs installed," note

>> >that besides a firewall, you also need an anti-virus program, and at

>> >least two anti-spyware programs.</span>

>>

>> And soon your new turbo-machine is crippled with anti-****.

>>

>> BTW, how would adding further potentially vulnerable code to an

>> already vulnerable system actually increase it's security?

>> <span style="color:darkred">

>> >I recommend that you use two or more of the following:

>> >

>> >Spybot Search and Destroy

>> >Adaware

>> >Spyware Blaster

>> >Windows Defender

>> >Super-Antispyware </span>

>>

>> I recommend keeping the bad stuff out instead. This is done mainly by

>> staying away from inherently broken software, keeping ones system

>> patched and using ones brain.</span>

>

>

>All of those things are good to do. But relying on them alone is

>foolhardy.</span>

If so, so is relying on anti-****.

 
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