I'd rather argue with him about, (paraphrased a little
, "the age of the
A/V programs isn't relevant but, I don't think it would do any good."
e.g. AVG seem change their .DLL contents and filenames almost as often as
they supply signature pattern updates, ...e.g. my firewall often rediscovers
AVG itself "trying to get out" after several 'signature only' updates
....I feel that my argument is already partly won because his, (IMHumbleO),
flawed methodology, and views, has already got his systems a virus or two !
regards, Richard
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" <jones_jupiter@hotnomail.com> wrote in message
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> "The Symantec Corporate installations are pirated."
> Am I missing something?
> Or are you admitting to theft?
>
> --
> Jupiter Jones [MVP]
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>
> "Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message
> news:47251C38.EFE7D73B@Guy.com...<span style="color:green">
>> RJK wrote:
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> ...above this post a little, you said that you are yourself
>>> using an older version of NAV,</span>
>>
>> I manage about a dozen PC's. On most of them, I either have NAV 2002,
>> or Symantec corporate (version 8 I think). I've only ever paid for 1
>> copy of NAV 2002, and that was at a swap meet in 2003. The Symantec
>> Corporate installations are pirated.
>>
>> On my own 2 PC's, I've allowed my NAV 2002 to expire (I've uninstalled
>> them to stop them from nagging me about their expired status). All it
>> takes to re-activate them is to copy the file "catalog.livesubscribe"
>> from any of the other systems that haven't expired yet.
>>
>> I also run a real time registry monitor made by "The Cleaner" (also a
>> bootlegged copy).
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> ...here on this part of this thread - you pointed out that viruses
>>> like "storm" have been deactivating AV programs,</span>
>>
>> Yes.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> ...so you are aware of this danger, and yet you are using an
>>> ancient a/v program !</span>
>>
>> The age of the program is not relavent - and might even be an
>> advantage. The Storm "thing" has a built-in list of process names
>> that it looks for. Using an old (ancient) piece of AV software might
>> be an advantage - assuming that the same process name isin't being
>> used in more modern versions. And even though NAV 2002 is old, it
>> updates itself via Symantec's "LiveUpdate" with the most current virus
>> definitions and scan engine.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> ...malware that's programmed to deactivate AV software is just
>>> one of the reasons that many major AV application software
>>> vendors, (like AVG), are continually modifying their core
>>> files !</span>
>>
>> What they need to do is give their program modules different names
>> (random process names) so that things like Storm can't identify them
>> at run time.
>><span style="color:darkred">
>>> ...and this is one aspect of the "preventing malware /
>>> multi-layered internet security approach,"</span>
>>
>> I run win-98 on my systems. That's the most effective "layer" going
>> (besides running Linux or Mac OS I guess).
>>
>> It's a lot harder to run a root-kit on Windows 9x, and it's a way
>> easier to identify, and delete malware on a win-98 box (fat-32 makes
>> things easier compared to NTFS). In the 8 years we've been running
>> win-98 on most of our systems, I think there have only been 2
>> infections, and those were prior to 2004. In fact, our win-98 systems
>> were directly facing the internet (no firewall, no NAT router) up
>> until the end of 2005 and none were ever hit with a network worm,
>> port-scan, etc. We've had about 1/2 dozen occurrances of malware on
>> our handful of NT and 2K machines over the same time frame.</span>
> </span>