Which of the following do you recommend for anti-virus ware?

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Virus Guy

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RJK wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> I'd rather argue with him about, (paraphrased a little:),

> "the age of the A/V programs isn't relevant but, I don't think

> it would do any good."

> e.g. AVG seem change their .DLL contents and filenames almost

> as often as they supply signature pattern updates, </span>

Ok, if AVG is a moving target, good for it. I'm not saying that's not

(I've never owned or used AVG).

Based on the writeups for Storm, there seem to be lots of anti-malware

products that don't change their process names.

(tangent - some writeups say that Storm also turns off some P2P apps -

anyone know why it would do that?)

<span style="color:blue">

> ...I feel that my argument is already partly won because his,

> (IMHumbleO), flawed methodology, and views, has already got his

> systems a virus or two !</span>

<span style="color:blue">

> :)</span>

When you manage systems being used by a few monkeys, you can't always

be watching over their shoulder...

 
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Virus Guy

Guest
Full-Quoter and Top-poster "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> "The Symantec Corporate installations are pirated."

> Am I missing something?

> Or are you admitting to theft?</span>

Yup.

Whatcha gonna do about it?

 
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Virus Guy

Guest
Leythos wrote:

<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

> > And being "unethical" is not the same as being unknowledgeable.</span>

>

> it makes everything you say/suggest questionable and suspect.</span>

When there are countless posts asking "what's the best AV" or "how

does this av compare to that av", I never see anyone responding with:

- malware can turn off your AV, so look for AV that can resist

- detection isin't removal. Look for AV that can remove what it

detects

- these days, detection means something got onto your system

a week ago. Do other things like update your Java JRE, use

a hosts file, use adaware/spybot/spyware blaster (innoculate

your browser), put more faith in a registry monitoring program

than in an AV program

Go ahead and question that ^^^^^^

 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Guest
We now know you are an admitted thief and anything you say should be

treated as anything else said by any common thief, ignored as it

cannot be trusted.

What else do you steal and what other ways are you dishonest?

It is extremely unlikely stealing software is the extent of your

dishonest activity.

Employers and others you associate probably miss what you have stolen

from them.

Since it is the nature of a thief...

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"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message

news:472531D7.FD7EC4E2@Guy.com...<span style="color:blue">

> Yup.

>

> Whatcha gonna do about it? </span>

 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Guest
There is really nothing to question.

You are an admitted thief.

EVERYTHING you say should be treated as a lie since that is the nature

of thieves.

Lying is often necessary to conceal the true intentions.

With most, their word has value, your has NONE.

You steal without regard.

You have stolen from every honest person who pays for the products you

steal since you have decided others subsidize your own unethical

behavior.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message

news:472533E7.6486431C@Guy.com...<span style="color:blue">

> When there are countless posts asking "what's the best AV" or "how

> does this av compare to that av", I never see anyone responding

> with:

>

> - malware can turn off your AV, so look for AV that can resist

>

> - detection isin't removal. Look for AV that can remove what it

> detects

>

> - these days, detection means something got onto your system

> a week ago. Do other things like update your Java JRE, use

> a hosts file, use adaware/spybot/spyware blaster (innoculate

> your browser), put more faith in a registry monitoring program

> than in an AV program

>

>

> Go ahead and question that ^^^^^^ </span>

 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Guest
"And being "unethical" is not the same as being unknowledgeable"

You have shown lack knowledge as well:

"What's a CAL?"

So now by your own admission, you are unethical and unknowledgeable.

You have NOTHING.

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message

news:4725308C.D0F38E43@Guy.com...<span style="color:blue">

> Leythos wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>> Why - Symantec Corp AV for Workstations and Servers 10.2 can be

>> purchased in as little as 5 CAL.</span>

>

> What's a CAL?

><span style="color:green">

>> Being an unethical hack and then telling people about it is a

>> way to have no one listen to you again.</span>

>

> That's up to you. You can do a lot worse than using the odd piece

> of

> software without paying for it. And being "unethical" is not the

> same

> as being unknowledgeable. </span>

 
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Virus Guy

Guest
"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

<span style="color:blue">

> You have NOTHING.</span>

Go blow it out your ***.

 
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Jupiter Jones [MVP]

Guest
Typical and expected of the dishonest when they are shown the truth..

--

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http://www3.telus.net/dandemar

http://www.dts-l.org

"Virus Guy" <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in message

news:47268141.36C7D894@Guy.com...<span style="color:blue">

> Go blow it out your ***. </span>

 
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Dustin Cook

Guest
Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:

<span style="color:blue">

> "Carey Frisch [MVP]" wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

>> I've been running Windows OneCare on three different

>> computers for over two years now. No viruses, no spyware,

>> and no malware has entered any on my PCs using OneCare.</span>

>

> How do you know?

>

> How do you know if an AV product is working?

>

> Just because it keeps telling you that there is no malware on your

> system doesn't mean you don't actually have malware on your system.

>

> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been deactivating

> AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.</span>

polymorphic? Erm....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to alter

it's own code once present on your machine.

<span style="color:blue">

> And if you really don't have any malware on your system, don't credit

> your AV software. The reason you don't is because you patch your

> system as soon as the patches become available.</span>

Uhh, no. I develop software on this machine and I need to keep a constant

environment; as such, I don't go for the newest patch right away. In

fact, this machine is still using sp1, and isn't even allowed to let me

know about new patches, let alone download them. Why am I not worried you

might ask? I'm behind a real firewall and I routinely practice safe hex.

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Dustin Cook

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"RJK" <notatospam@hotmail.com> wrote in

news:uCyxiGaGIHA.3400@TK2MSFTNGP03.phx.gbl:

<span style="color:blue">

> ...above this post a little, you said that you are yourself using an

> older version of NAV,

> ...here on this part of this thread - you pointed out that viruses

> like "storm" have been deactivating AV programs,

> ...so you are aware of this danger, and yet you are using an ancient

> a/v program !

> ...this is a almost a contradiction !! ...(and I mean that in a warm,

> kind, loving way !!!)

>

> ...malware that's programmed to deactivate AV software is just one of

> the reasons that many major AV application software vendors, (like

> AVG), are continually modifying their core files !</span>

And this isn't new either. style_emoticons/ Various viruses/worms have long since

targetted av applications to disable them. lol.

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Dustin Cook

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Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:47268141.36C7D894@Guy.com:

<span style="color:blue">

> "Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote:

> <span style="color:green">

>> You have NOTHING.</span>

>

> Go blow it out your ***.</span>

What an excellent method of gaining assistance here and likely elsewhere.

No wonder Storm scares you. I bet your afraid of many things. style_emoticons/

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kurt wismer

Guest
Dustin Cook wrote:<span style="color:blue">

> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:</span>

[snip]<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green">

>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been deactivating

>> AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.</span>

>

> polymorphic? Erm....

> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

>

> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to alter

> it's own code once present on your machine.</span>

server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used to

know...

(http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/...lymorphism.html)

--

"it's not the right time to be sober

now the idiots have taken over

spreading like a social cancer,

is there an answer?"

 
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Dustin Cook

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kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in

news:fg8sm9$lpg$1@registered.motzarella.org:

<span style="color:blue">

> Dustin Cook wrote:<span style="color:green">

>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:</span>

> [snip]<span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred">

>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been

>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.</span>

>>

>> polymorphic? Erm....

>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

>>

>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to

>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.</span>

>

> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used

> to know...

> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/...rver-side-polym

> orphism.html)

> </span>

You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?

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Luke

Guest
Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy. Anti Spam. Virus. Malware. Anti Spy. Anti

Hacker and Proactive Defence.

Plus another good thing is its not a memory hog. 0-1% at all times... during

scans its about 5% of CPU. It does updates everyhour to make sure your up to

date. And you dont need to do it , automatic and even when it updates it

takes minutes! No restart or anything. When i had norton i had 5 different

infections (viruses, Adware and trojans). suposidly norton "Deleted" them...

lol. When i got kasperspy it quarintined them all style_emoticons/ . And no i didnt

quarintime them in norton... before you say thats why they were there.

PS: kasperspy 7 is out now. And its easy to get around and it looks much

nicer than before! SUPER SMILEY style_emoticons/

luke

"rubyjack" <rubyjack@frontiernet.net> wrote in message

news:e0bMGX%23FIHA.6068@TK2MSFTNGP05.phx.gbl...<span style="color:blue">

>I have the following choices to install as anti-virus ware/suite (my

> NortonWorks is expiring). The price ranges from $0 to $40 to install (all

> legit, I have some on hand).

>

> Norton SystemWorks

> Norton 360

> MacAfee 2007

> Panda 2007

> Kaspersky 6.0

>

> Your help would be appreciated,

> Dan Hacker

>

> --

>

> -----------

> Thousands of years ago cats were worshipped as gods. Cats have never

> forgotten this. -- Danbury Mint

> -----------

>

> </span>

 
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kurt wismer

Guest
Dustin Cook wrote:<span style="color:blue">

> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in<span style="color:green">

>> Dustin Cook wrote:<span style="color:darkred">

>>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:</span>

>> [snip]<span style="color:darkred">

>>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been

>>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.

>>> polymorphic? Erm....

>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

>>>

>>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to

>>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.</span>

>> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used

>> to know...

>> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/...rver-side-polym

>> orphism.html)

>></span>

>

> You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?</span>

hmmm... the wording of your question makes what you're having difficulty

with seem a little ambiguous to me...

do you mean you don't understand my explanation of what server-side

polymorphism is (seems unlikely, considering your pedigree) or is it

rather that you don't understand why i think that server-side

polymorphism was the type of polymorphism in question when virus guy

referred to storm as a polymorphic threat (many sources make reference

to it's use of server-side polymorphism)?

--

"it's not the right time to be sober

now the idiots have taken over

spreading like a social cancer,

is there an answer?"

 
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Dustin Cook

Guest
kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in news:fgcd8m$gdt$1

@registered.motzarella.org:

<span style="color:blue">

> Dustin Cook wrote:<span style="color:green">

>> kurt wismer <kurtw@sympatico.ca> wrote in<span style="color:darkred">

>>> Dustin Cook wrote:

>>>> Virus Guy <Virus@Guy.com> wrote in news:4724A240.5F2C0683@Guy.com:

>>> [snip]

>>>>> The polymorphic threats out there (like storm) have been

>>>>> deactivating AV programs for 2 or 3 years now.

>>>> polymorphic? Erm....

>>>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polymorphic_code

>>>>

>>>> Storm doesn't fit the bill for Polymorphic. It makes no effort to

>>>> alter it's own code once present on your machine.

>>> server-side polymorphism is not the same as the polymorphism you used

>>> to know...

>>> (http://anti-virus-rants.blogspot.com/2007/...is-server-side-</span></span></span>

polym<span style="color:blue"><span style="color:green"><span style="color:darkred">

>>> orphism.html)

>>></span>

>>

>> You've lost me kurt.. What are you calling server side polymorphism?</span>

>

> hmmm... the wording of your question makes what you're having </span>

difficulty <span style="color:blue">

> with seem a little ambiguous to me...

>

> do you mean you don't understand my explanation of what server-side

> polymorphism is (seems unlikely, considering your pedigree) or is it

> rather that you don't understand why i think that server-side

> polymorphism was the type of polymorphism in question when virus guy

> referred to storm as a polymorphic threat (many sources make reference

> to it's use of server-side polymorphism)?

> </span>

The latter, threw me for a loop. I hadn't thought of polymorphism from

the server side. I should get outside more style_emoticons/

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RJK

Guest
....I always suspected that Kaspersky was a heap of **** !

regards, Richard

"Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.</span>

>

> Yeah, right!

>

> http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=14995&st=500

>

> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi...spersky&spell=1 </span>

 
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Kayman

Guest
On Fri, 2 Nov 2007 01:17:10 -0000, RJK wrote:<span style="color:blue">

> ...I always suspected that Kaspersky was a heap of **** !

>

> regards, Richard

>

> "Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message

> news:b9cg0bg4l40a.cs00kn6jy93u$.dlg@40tude.net...<span style="color:green">

>> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:

>><span style="color:darkred">

>>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.</span>

>>

>> Yeah, right!

>>

>> http://forum.kaspersky.com/index.php?showtopic=14995&st=500

>>

>> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&sa=X&oi...spersky&spell=1</span></span>

The protection provided by KAV seems excellent, but their handling of a

long-running problem with CHKDSK has undermined the faith of many users in

the company.

This might be the reason as to why AOL dropped Kaspersky?????

In Kaspersky forum people are divided by this issue but I sense that

discomfort even with senior moderators... - as no definite answer/fix is

offered.

It all could be FUD though... style_emoticons/

 
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Sandy Mann

Guest
"Kayman" <kaymanNoSpam@operamail.com> wrote in message

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> On Wed, 31 Oct 2007 20:22:47 -0000, Luke wrote:

><span style="color:green">

>> Go for Kasperspy... nice and easy.</span>

>

> Yeah, right!</span>

Off topic but your response just brought it to mind:

An English lecturer was explaining to the students that in English, a double

negative is actually a positive. There are also some languages where a

double negative is still a negative but there are no languages in the world

where a double positive is a negative. From the back of the hall she heard,

"Yeah, right!!

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Sandy

In Perth, the ancient capital of Scotland

and the crowning place of kings

 
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