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In article <46FF13FD.7F48FA8C@hotmMOVEail.com>,
Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Because the 911 report refutes it. If you think there's evidence
> > > otherwise,
> > > then you must hurry to Gotham and inform Commissioner Gordon, hurry
> > > to Washington and tell Chimpoleon.
> > >
> > You still haven't come close to addressing the original point, but I
> > know that you can't be expected to understand. You have no idea what's
> > being discussed, nor of the progression of events.
> >
> > The 9/11 Commission wasn't tasked with answering the question of whether
> > Saddam was in collusion with bin Laden, outside what concerns the 9/11
> > attacks.
> >
> > I may be wrong, but this MAY be why it's called the 9/11 Commission.
>
> The 911 commission WAS tasked with looking into Al Qaeda and it's
> connections...
>
> DUH
Yes?
>
> > Available evidence was inconclusive in August of 2004. One of the
> > reasons was that the Iraqis had had a year to purge documentation before
> > the invasion.
>
> Oh of course. wink wink
>
> > There was an ongoing relationship. And the 9/11 Commission doesn't
>
> Proof? Oh yeah, "purged". How convenient. Zzzzzzz
"The Telegraph found the file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the
rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ. There are
three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia
and lettering of the Mukhabarat.
"They show correspondence between Mukhabarat agencies over preparations
for the visit of al-Qa'eda's envoy, who travelled to Iraq from Sudan,
where bin Laden had been based until 1996. They disclose what Baghdad
hopes to achieve from the meeting, which took place less than five
months before bin Laden was placed at the top of America's most wanted
list following the bombing of two US embassies in east Africa.
"Perhaps aware of the sensitivities of the subject matter, Iraqi agents
at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin
Laden, using white correcting fluid. The dried fluid was removed to
reveal the clearly legible name three times in the documents."
---The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
by Inigo Gilmore
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq27.xm
l
The US military possesses millions of untranslated Iraqi government
documents in what is called the HARMONY database. These documents were
confiscated during and after Operation: Iraqi Freedom, and many remain
untranslated to this day (the administration claims that its military
and intelligence services translators were needed elsewhere, on far more
vital missions).
Because of pressure from constituents, journalists and US Rep. Curt
Weldon and others, a reluctant administration agreed to have the Defense
Department post these documents on the internet, where they may be
translated into English by private citizens.
As you may be aware, these unveted documents were posted on a
semi-regular basis until one series, once translated, turned out to be a
working blueprint for constructing an atomic bomb--and was filled with
highly sensitive engineering data. AFAIK, the HARMONY documents have not
been posted on the web since this scandal.
There are several other pertinent translations, but one such document is
of particular interest to the subject at hand:
(http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm#iraq).
==begin quote==
Text of the document in English translated from Arabic.
In the Name of God the Merciful
Presidency of the Republic
Intelligence Apparatus
To the respectful Mr. M.A.M
Subject: Information
Our source in Afghanistan No 11002 (for information about him see
attachment 1) provided us with information that that Afghani Consul
Ahmad Dahestani (for information about him see attachment 2) told him
the following:
1. That Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan are in contact
with Iraq and it that previously a group from Taliban and Osama bin
Laden group visited Iraq.
2. That America has proof that the government of Iraq and Osama Bin
Laden group have shown cooperation to hit targets within America.
3. That in case it is proven the involvement of Osama Bin Laden group
and the Taliban in these destructive operations it is possible that
American will conduct strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
4. That the Afghani Consul heard about the subject of Iraq relation with
Osama Bin Laden group during his stay in Iran.
5. In light of this we suggest to write to the Commission of the above
information.
Please view... Yours... With regards
Signature: ___________________
Initials : A.M.M, 15/9/2001
Foot note: Immediately send to the Chairman of Commission
Signature: ___________________
===End quote===
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597459/posts
Much less clear (and much less probable) are connections between Iraq
intelligence services and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing--which may
have been instigated at higher levels within bin Laden's organization
(or may not). Most connections seem to indicate Iraq was an after the
fact accessory.
The bin Laden connection to the bombing is mostly through Ramzi Yousef,
who received training at bin Laden camps in Afghanistan. Also, Omar
Abdul Rahman (The "Blind Sheik") is an associate of Ayman al-Zawahiri,
and along with Zawahiri was arrested and later acquitted of involvement
in the assassination of Anwar Sadat (1981).
Iraq's connections to the bombing are far less clear, though Abdul Yasin
very much received support and protection from Iraqi Mukhabarat once he
left the US and escaped to Iraq (1993-1994).
"In the spring of 1994, a Jordanian stringer working for ABC News
spotted Abdul Rahman Yasin outside his father's house in Baghdad and
learned from neighbors that he worked for the Iraqi government. After
that news was broadcast, Iraqi authorities took Yasin and the other men
in the house to an unknown location. His sixty-five-year-old mother, ill
with cancer, was allowed to visit them, until she died in October 1994,
in a hospital run by Iraqi security.13 As recently as May 1998, FBI
director Louis Freeh affirmed that Yasin was in Iraq."
http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_ir1.htm
In the end, there were definite connections between Iraq and bin Laden's
group, and these have been documented since the commencement of Op: IF.
Early reports to the contrary notwithstanding.
--
NeoLibertarian
"The world is not going to be saved by legislation."
---William Howard Taft
Rich Travsky <traRvEsky@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Because the 911 report refutes it. If you think there's evidence
> > > otherwise,
> > > then you must hurry to Gotham and inform Commissioner Gordon, hurry
> > > to Washington and tell Chimpoleon.
> > >
> > You still haven't come close to addressing the original point, but I
> > know that you can't be expected to understand. You have no idea what's
> > being discussed, nor of the progression of events.
> >
> > The 9/11 Commission wasn't tasked with answering the question of whether
> > Saddam was in collusion with bin Laden, outside what concerns the 9/11
> > attacks.
> >
> > I may be wrong, but this MAY be why it's called the 9/11 Commission.
>
> The 911 commission WAS tasked with looking into Al Qaeda and it's
> connections...
>
> DUH
Yes?
>
> > Available evidence was inconclusive in August of 2004. One of the
> > reasons was that the Iraqis had had a year to purge documentation before
> > the invasion.
>
> Oh of course. wink wink
>
> > There was an ongoing relationship. And the 9/11 Commission doesn't
>
> Proof? Oh yeah, "purged". How convenient. Zzzzzzz
"The Telegraph found the file on bin Laden inside a folder lying in the
rubble of one of the rooms of the destroyed intelligence HQ. There are
three pages, stapled together; two are on paper headed with the insignia
and lettering of the Mukhabarat.
"They show correspondence between Mukhabarat agencies over preparations
for the visit of al-Qa'eda's envoy, who travelled to Iraq from Sudan,
where bin Laden had been based until 1996. They disclose what Baghdad
hopes to achieve from the meeting, which took place less than five
months before bin Laden was placed at the top of America's most wanted
list following the bombing of two US embassies in east Africa.
"Perhaps aware of the sensitivities of the subject matter, Iraqi agents
at some point clumsily attempted to mask out all references to bin
Laden, using white correcting fluid. The dried fluid was removed to
reveal the clearly legible name three times in the documents."
---The proof that Saddam worked with bin Laden
by Inigo Gilmore
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2003/04/27/walq27.xm
l
The US military possesses millions of untranslated Iraqi government
documents in what is called the HARMONY database. These documents were
confiscated during and after Operation: Iraqi Freedom, and many remain
untranslated to this day (the administration claims that its military
and intelligence services translators were needed elsewhere, on far more
vital missions).
Because of pressure from constituents, journalists and US Rep. Curt
Weldon and others, a reluctant administration agreed to have the Defense
Department post these documents on the internet, where they may be
translated into English by private citizens.
As you may be aware, these unveted documents were posted on a
semi-regular basis until one series, once translated, turned out to be a
working blueprint for constructing an atomic bomb--and was filled with
highly sensitive engineering data. AFAIK, the HARMONY documents have not
been posted on the web since this scandal.
There are several other pertinent translations, but one such document is
of particular interest to the subject at hand:
(http://fmso.leavenworth.army.mil/products-docex.htm#iraq).
==begin quote==
Text of the document in English translated from Arabic.
In the Name of God the Merciful
Presidency of the Republic
Intelligence Apparatus
To the respectful Mr. M.A.M
Subject: Information
Our source in Afghanistan No 11002 (for information about him see
attachment 1) provided us with information that that Afghani Consul
Ahmad Dahestani (for information about him see attachment 2) told him
the following:
1. That Osama Bin Laden and the Taliban in Afghanistan are in contact
with Iraq and it that previously a group from Taliban and Osama bin
Laden group visited Iraq.
2. That America has proof that the government of Iraq and Osama Bin
Laden group have shown cooperation to hit targets within America.
3. That in case it is proven the involvement of Osama Bin Laden group
and the Taliban in these destructive operations it is possible that
American will conduct strikes in Iraq and Afghanistan.
4. That the Afghani Consul heard about the subject of Iraq relation with
Osama Bin Laden group during his stay in Iran.
5. In light of this we suggest to write to the Commission of the above
information.
Please view... Yours... With regards
Signature: ___________________
Initials : A.M.M, 15/9/2001
Foot note: Immediately send to the Chairman of Commission
Signature: ___________________
===End quote===
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1597459/posts
Much less clear (and much less probable) are connections between Iraq
intelligence services and the 1993 World Trade Center bombing--which may
have been instigated at higher levels within bin Laden's organization
(or may not). Most connections seem to indicate Iraq was an after the
fact accessory.
The bin Laden connection to the bombing is mostly through Ramzi Yousef,
who received training at bin Laden camps in Afghanistan. Also, Omar
Abdul Rahman (The "Blind Sheik") is an associate of Ayman al-Zawahiri,
and along with Zawahiri was arrested and later acquitted of involvement
in the assassination of Anwar Sadat (1981).
Iraq's connections to the bombing are far less clear, though Abdul Yasin
very much received support and protection from Iraqi Mukhabarat once he
left the US and escaped to Iraq (1993-1994).
"In the spring of 1994, a Jordanian stringer working for ABC News
spotted Abdul Rahman Yasin outside his father's house in Baghdad and
learned from neighbors that he worked for the Iraqi government. After
that news was broadcast, Iraqi authorities took Yasin and the other men
in the house to an unknown location. His sixty-five-year-old mother, ill
with cancer, was allowed to visit them, until she died in October 1994,
in a hospital run by Iraqi security.13 As recently as May 1998, FBI
director Louis Freeh affirmed that Yasin was in Iraq."
http://www.meib.org/articles/0106_ir1.htm
In the end, there were definite connections between Iraq and bin Laden's
group, and these have been documented since the commencement of Op: IF.
Early reports to the contrary notwithstanding.
--
NeoLibertarian
"The world is not going to be saved by legislation."
---William Howard Taft
