Reflectionist

[azemkamikaze03]

After a recent incident involving Reflectionist we have decided to permanently ban him. This time the permanent for good. We, UMO and the moderators, had a vote to determine whether it was time. There was a 4-1 result, Banning won the majority. This thread is made to discuss his banning IF NECCESARY, and will be closed on Sunday. So if you have any final words for him say it here.

 

 

I asked him if he had anything he'd like to say to the forum members...and this is it:

 

Th FRGT10 1: lol

Th FRGT10 1: i don't know.

Th FRGT10 1: It's kind of like V for Vendetta though, don't you think?

Th FRGT10 1: Being Blackbagged?

Th FRGT10 1: lol.

Th FRGT10 1: What a sad sad dicatorship LPF has become.

 

Th FRGT10 1: whatever though

Th FRGT10 1: when it comes to LPF, I lose, always.

Th FRGT10 1: LPF has come almost as bad as the LPMB

 

Th FRGT10 1: "Banning me doesn't change the fact that Linkin Park isn't the best in the world"

Th FRGT10 1: As soon as I started realizing that, people started bitching at me

Th FRGT10 1: okay, well, LP is still not the best in the world

Th FRGT10 1: Yep

Th FRGT10 1: Just like V For Vendetta.

Th FRGT10 1: Blackbagged.

Th FRGT10 1: Just like the United States now. You have a differing opinion and you are silenced. Just like the Third Reich.

Th FRGT10 1: Horrible horrible.

Th FRGT10 1: Hey, I'll warn Stenners

Th FRGT10 1: Apparently he's next.

Th FRGT10 1: i've seen worse things on that forum from him

Th FRGT10 1: and at least I still like LP. lol.

[Stllmn8j]

We will always remember him! lol

[UnhingedMouse0]

Stenners is not next as we dont have a blacklist. :no:

[Victim]

I liked ( like) Jake (Ref.) he is a good guy and part of me hates to see him go, and its sad that he thnks he was blacklisted... And stenners is not next.. Guys, what it comes down to is Ref had hundreds of chances and took advantage of them, and it was time for him to part ways, I think it will be good for us, and good for him.

 

 

Keep it clean, keep it fun, keep it nice, so we dont have lock this thread

[DarknessLover]

Whoa is that seriously his IM on AIM or MSN or wahtever? Mine is WAY to fucking similar! TheFRGT10Poet....Now I feel unoriginal...lol

 

 

Long live Ref! I was finally warmed up to him, gonna miss the guy...

 

 

 

EDIT: Oh, and uh Amen to his final words

[LPShinodaFM]

I haven't known the guy for long, and I don't know him too well, but I feel his attitude hasn't been so bad lately. His posts can have negative tones in them but they can be funny in an ironic way. At times he can be a great guy, with insightful input towards our forum, but on the other hand he can also be quite sour.

 

But well, I guess his time is up. He will be remembered.

[GraDoN]

well he had a few comments that had me laughing my ass off but he just didnt know when to stop. and he was kinda annoying sometimes, sad too see him go but thats the way it is

[Jeezy]

yeah right..dictatorship...

 

it was a group decission the first time we considered a new ban was on November 25th '07

we gave him a 5 day ban after that...to give him one final chance.

 

He was all cool and doing alright posts after that...but he just can't stop being who he is.

And what he did in numerous threads can't be any good for the forum.

 

Let's just move on...I really liked his music and stuff but besides that he there was nothing positive he did for this forum.

 

All the best to you ref

[Black_Angel]

I thought he could be quite funny, made a change from everyone being oh so serious on here all the time.

By hey, if that's a crime, then so be it :/

[Linkin_lp_park]

I didn't knew him so well, sometimes he made posts I couldn't disagree with more, and sometime's he had posts that made me lol.

I don't know what he did that got him banned, but i'm sure it didn't happen for no reason.

Good luck

[GraDoN]

I thought he could be quite funny, made a change from everyone being oh so serious on here all the time.

By hey, if that's a crime, then so be it :/

true but he did take it too far most of the times :<

but its also true that many people here take life waaay to serious

[Jeezy]

I thought he could be quite funny, made a change from everyone being oh so serious on here all the time.

By hey, if that's a crime, then so be it :/

 

but there's a difference between being funny and not respecting other oppinions.

[_deemy_]

I thought most of Ref's posts were fine. They were usually in opposition to what everyone else was saying, but that's a good thing on a forum site. Provokes conversation and such.

Admittedly he did go too far sometimes, but I still don't think it was enough to get him permanently banned.

[Peterdea]

Damnit, a good member gone. this place got like... 50% more boring... sucks to come back now. of all times now...

[untitled]

didn't know him that well, he made me laugh at times, and sometimes i thought he just went to far

all the best to you

[littleblackstone]

he was weird, like... bipolar or something.

sometimes cool, sometimes annoying...

 

well, he was what he was.

RIP ref.

[MrsBennington-Delson]

Well I'm kinda happy that you guys finally decided what to do bc first you wanna ban him than not and balablabla

BUT dont get me wrong I didnt want him to be banned

I honestly don't even get why he's banned and I never did lol

Either I'm too stupid or just not too involved in all that since he didn't offend me or anything....

[Mr. Pool]

id like to join this discussion:

 

in my opinion ref is one of those guys who really has a clue about that what hes saying...if u read his posts u will realize that he tell us the facts in a brilliant way...i dunno how to explain it...but some guys here are just talking bullshit, right jeezy??...wtf u mean by "but he just can't stop being who he is"...why dont u just stop being who u are??....then everything would be alright

[Victim]

Keep it calm please, Mr. Pool.. I think what Jeezy was trying to say is, that we have giving Ref. too many opportunities to keep it cool, and calm himself, and he wasn't willing to ease up, so he had to go.

 

And, Honestly, the majority of you haven't even read everything Ref. has said in the past, or just recently, because we were forced to delete it, because it is so offensive, and it tends to start flame wars. I for one was, and still am, tired of reading shit like that, and then having to take 20 minutes deleting posts. Whether all of you competely, partially, or not at all, understand why we banned Jake, isn't important, we as the staff had our reasons, and agreed with each other that it was time to ban him. And the reason defiantly wasn't, "Hurrr Hurr, lets ban him because we all hate him!!" because that isn't true, I don't hate Jake at all. I wish it wouldn't have come down to this.

 

Also, you can ask me all you want, but I am sorry, I will not prove to you that Ref. has made horrible post, or provide you with examples.. I don't have the time, nor the patience.. And even if I did, some of you would still think, "WTF, that is BS".. As members of this forum, you should have trust in our decisions.. We make them for you, to keep the forum going and under control. I mean think about it, some of you may recall, just a few months ago, I was one of those people fighting with other staff members to keep Ref. here.. Now logically think about that statement, don't you think some things had to have gone down, to make me change my mind so drastically?

 

Like I said, part of me is sad to see him go.. He made great music, he provided a lot of entertainment, he had a lot of good ideas, and he was an overall nice guy.. But, that isn't enough sometimes.. and in this case, it defiantly wasn't enough.

 

I am not mad, I just want you guys to understand, that this had to be done.. and if someone takes this post, and trys to flame, or start a flame war.. I will lock this thread so fast.

 

Edit:

Nor am I trying to force my views and opinions on you.. You guys have ever right to question, hence the thread.. I don't care if you agree, or disagree.. Just please keep it respectful.. I just want to give you all an opportunity to see what I thought, and how I felt. Just so you knew..

 

Keep it clean, keep it cool, keep it calm, keep it nice.

[Friðbjörn]

don't anyone take this personally or too seriously, but I think this is crap.

at least tell what he did now.

 

sure ref has done bad things blablabla and back when I was a mod I got to a point where I wanted to ban him. to finally spill it, it was me who said "he's never done anything good for this place". but I was wrong.

 

like people have said, lately he's been the one spicing things up in an increasingly boring environment...

he doesn't always sugarcoat things but that's one of the things that makes him funny.

and lately he's admitted that he hasn't exactly always been perfect. he's been taking steps towards better things. that's something not everyone here has done.

 

 

but oh no, since he's banned permanently he can't ever come back. cause the staff is like the pope, automatically correct about everything in life cause of the position they hold.

[Mr. Pool]

cause the staff is like the pope, automatically correct about everything in life cause of the position they hold

 

nice words dude...i mean what is wrong in criticism?...i think it keeps the forum on fire and makes a discussion going on...this is what it should be...but ok...u banned him...:'(

[Jeezy]

nice words dude...i mean what is wrong in criticism?...i think it keeps the forum on fire and makes a discussion going on...this is what it should be...but ok...u banned him...:'(

 

He wasn't banned because he criticised stuff.

 

He was banned because he always seemed to cause trouble and started flame wars or was in the middle of them.

 

Most of you may even don't know about it (like victim said) because most of it was deleted.

And he got like 3 or 4 chances to change his behaviour...but he didn't.

[allieking]

i see it like this....

 

if you have been warned enough and you ignore it then its your fault. i mean, come on guys how many chances did he want? as for who made the decision i think they were right, you can't let people get away with things over and over or you look like a walk over and new members will think its a joke.

 

stenners being next...i laughed at that, yeah he might be opinionated but hes not annoying and childish.

 

the comment about him not thinking LP are th best in the world was pathetic. i don't think they are, i'm just a fan and i'm not getting banned for that am i?

[DarknessLover]

I only have one final thought, I mean, as stated by Pete, I think this forums needs a bit of the "flame wars" if we don't let one loose cannon go around, then how interesting CAN this forum be? it's just like talking without a topic, one ended and pointless, you'll see less of me around here...

[azemkamikaze03]

Here's the point folks. He constantly had an issue with people on this forum. It might not have been you but it was someone. We banned him over his last incident involving Mark/Hahninator. He was incredibly rude at times, and he is not allowed to be. It's different if it's a one time thing, but he's done it SEVERAL times and we've always been relaxed on him. We had people complaining to us saying he's really pissing them off so we had to take action. And rather than just plain out banning him we voted on it. Why? Because we figured we'd be fair. We discussed it several times an made sure all the mods and admins got a say. There is a difference from saying your opinion and then saying your opinion and insulting people constantly for having a different one.

 

You guys may not see what Ref does that is so bad, but that is only because we've deleted a few threads and posts involving him arguing so that the flaming could stop. It's our jobs as the Mod Staff to make sure EVERYONE has a pleasent stay here at the site. If someone is feeling harassed we have to take action.

 

 

Insulting Ugur09

 

That's actually um, very contradicting, because Linkin Park's stuff sounds very very poor compared to their album stuff because they just can't replicate live what they do in the studio. Come on, you have a brain, try to use it a little more than your lips.

(From Reflectionist to Ugur09)

 

 

....you don't use your fingertips to kiss ass.

(From Reflectionist about Ugur09)

 

 

*******

Reflectionist Complaining a few posts down about how he gets judge and he hates how Hahninator trashes his opinion.

 

Dude, give it a rest. I'm entitled to my opinion, and my opinion is that Linkin Park isn't up to par live. I didn't say they sucked period. I didn't say they're the worst band in the world. Go just get over it.

 

God, I don't see what the hell you're complaining about. You're the Hahninator. No one's ever disliked you. You're a moderator at a respectable forum. You have shitloads of live shows, and you're always the first to know anything, and any random kid who knows Linkin Park's name probably knows yours. So just quit coming to me getting all offended about me not digging LP as much anymore. You always get offended at the littlest stuff, and I think you need to grow up and respect other people for once.

 

Notice the contradiction? How at one point he basically trashed someone for their opinion but about 3 posts later after Mark tells off Jake for disrespecting other people, Jake gets on the defensive saying to respect his opinion?

 

Hahninator expressing his opinion about the Given Up video was clearly disrespected again for no reason.

Man, you were starting to make sense with your posts, but now you're back.

(From Ref to Hahn.)

 

 

That's all Im going to post mainly because I just don't feel like posting all thoes threads. Not to mention his constant spamming and his sly remarks that seem to intentionally get people upset. Sure he is funny at times, and sure everyone here is allowed to post their opinions. Stenners disses linkin park ALL THE TIME, but he doesn't take on other people in the manner that Jake did and that's what got Jake in trouble. We've warned him and warned him and warned him. We didn't ban him because we really don't like banning people, it's no fun we want everyone to have their own unique say, but he wasn't allowing that. So we took action.

 

 

And for thoes saying LPF is a dictatorship. Grow up, lol I mean seriously. We are a website forums dedicated to giving you guys all the Linkin Park news you need to know. It's not like we are forcing you to be here or are taking over Europe soon. We are very relaxed with our rules considering other forums and their policies, all we ask is that you respect other members as much as possible.