Reflectionist

[Friðbjörn]

haha. well I'm not gonna say it. because, despite what you guys can say from your pedestals, I would get banned for it. and I wouldn't be trashing a person, I would be stating facts about some people, that have actually gotten away with trashing others, and were rewarded for it. chew on that for a moment.

[Victim]

Just breaking down what you said, like I stated before, I am not mad.. I just want to make this as clear as I can for everybody..I know I can make everyone understand, because some people, honestly just don't want to.

 

like people have said, lately he's been the one spicing things up in an increasingly boring environment...

he doesn't always sugarcoat things but that's one of the things that makes him funny.

and lately he's admitted that he hasn't exactly always been perfect. he's been taking steps towards better things. that's something not everyone here has done.

 

I can see where you are confused here.. Yes, some posts may look like he is being nice and taking steps forward, but its the post that you don't see that landed him in his position. We were constantly delete negative post directed straight at other members, as personal attacks.. and personal attacks are never necessary.

 

but oh no, since he's banned permanently he can't ever come back. cause the staff is like the pope, automatically correct about everything in life cause of the position they hold.

 

Lol, honestly, this is the funniest thing I have read all week.. Thanks for that..

And hell no, I make probably twice the amount of mistakes then anyone I have ever met..

Once again, what you don't read are all the PMs, and IMs the staff gets, asking us to ban or take care of Ref. And I am sure as a former Mod, you got IMs and PMs asking for help to, maybe not because of Jake, but for another member, and in the end, you have to make a decision about what is best for the forum, and that is always going to make a little group of people unhappy.. I am sorry, I can't please you all.. I have failed. So does that make me incorrect for keeping the thought of the forum in my mind when deciding to ban Ref. because is so, that I don't know what I am doing here.. I am not saying the Staff always do things correctly, and we are always right, but we try to be as fair as we can.

 

 

haha. well I'm not gonna say it. because, despite what you guys can say from your pedestals, I would get banned for it. and I wouldn't be trashing a person, I would be stating facts about some people, that have actually gotten away with trashing others, and were rewarded for it. chew on that for a moment.

 

Lol, I wish you would just say what you want.. That is what you praise Jake for isn't it.. For saying whats on his mind, am I wrong? But, if you are talking about who I think you are talking about, that person has cleaned up their act, and goes far and beyond to help this forum... They have kept it clean, and not caused problems.. And even if its not the person you are talking about, no one else has been causing problems lately but Jakes, so this person must be keeping clean.. Had Jake done teh same thing, he woulds till be here, and there would be no reason for this thread.

 

And we wouldn't ban you, thats just silly talk.

 

 

 

Once again, I am just trying to clear the air.. Don't get mad, because I am not.. Just an informal post.

[Tomer]

Whichever decisions you guys are making... What else can i do but accept it?

 

despite his attitude.. he never real bothered me.

 

Is this forum better off without ref? remains unanswered..

As much as i hate to say it.. but he brought life to this forum (For some of you in a bad way, for some in a good way= as some of his posts made me laugh)

[Linkin_lp_park]

About the things he was saying to Mark a few days before he got banned, I was reading it while they were 'talking' to eachother, and that was much much worse than the things azem posted

[Tomer]

About the things he was saying to Mark a few days before he got banned, I was reading it while they were 'talking' to eachother, and that was much much worse than the things azem posted

 

Yes, I happened to be there at the time.. And Yes.. he crossed the line there.

[FireHawk]

Sucks he is banned he is what as kept me coming to the site some of the stuff he said.

[_deemy_]

This topic is really starting to amuse me now, some of the stuff people say here and then post in other topics and such, well it amuses me that's all. And I won't go into it any further, since I kinda like being a member here and like Friðbjörn said if I say what's on my mind right now I might end up with my own topic like this..

 

All I will say is that there are a bunch of people saying Ref's stepped over the line and deserved what he got when I've seen them do the exact same thing. And this includes some mods as well.

[UnhingedMouse0]

By all means, speak your mind. We arent out to ban people here.

 

Thought Id share these as well:

You're an idiot. You replied defensively to a statement I didn't make. I said "everybody does it all the time," you seemed to think I said "Usiel can do it anytime she wants to!"

 

You had to make it about you, though, didn't you? Quit wasting my time.

Funny how you should make a quip about not being able to read, because again, you replied to nothing I said. And apparently you're not smart enough to send a PM either, since I didn't get one.

 

I hope someone locks this thread. It's clear no one on LPF has the ability to bring up a conversation with more meaning than "Drawing on a guitar" or "getting a haircut".

 

You're just a freakin tool.

Why? It's clear that SOMEBODY isn't capable of having a conversation with enough mental maturity to get over someone's looks and actually care about what they do, or who they are.

 

They're a band. They're probably nothing like what everyone expects them to be.

 

Um' date=' because there's another fucking youtube thread that already has videos in it. And is like, 3 pages long. So, Mr. Moderator, this thread should be closed mercilessly and have the other youtube thread put on a pedistal.[/quote']

 

Man' date=' you were starting to make sense with your posts, but now you're back.[/quote']

 

 

 

i'm sorry my presence offends you, mark

 

it doesn't.

 

why the need to edit posts? that's not even close to what you said originally

 

yes it is... but for what its worth, i edited it down to a grim defeat because that's all you'll accept. if i'd left what i had you would've given me 3 paragraphs telling me how much of a failure at life I am, thrown in some shit about my kidneys, and used the f word every other word. and I didn't really want to hear that from a 16 year old, again. so i just laid down the arms and said fuck this life.

 

is that what you want to hear? that i moderated my post because you don't need another "reason" to hate me.

[_deemy_]

Alright, but I'll tone it down a bit.

 

There are certain people [normal members, elites and mods] around the forums that are basically the same as Ref, and yet don't get punished for it. Personally I think it's bullshit that one person can be singled out like he has been, while the other people that do the exact same thing get away with it scott-free. And I know Ref had several warnings and still continued to 'be abusive and whatever' but the other people that do it should be at least warned as well no? I mean, why is Ref singled out when he is by no means the only person doing the type of posts that he got banned for.

 

I really think it's utter crap how this whole situation has been handled and I think it needs to be looked into to having a consistent rule no matter who the poster is and what their rank is. Hell, it should be more strict the higher rank you have, since some of the posts I've seen from mods [one in particular, but am not naming] are arrogant, self-absorbed and just plain rude.

 

Basically I think that LPF has been circling the drain for a while now, and with Ref gone it's gotten a lot closer to going down the plughole.

[Stenners]

You dont seriously believe the is another member being as abusive as Ref was to Uslei? As far as I could tell she is a lovely member & I know people might look at me when it comes to this sort of topic but I don't reallllly insult people, sure I may pull strings and wires n stuff but the same happens to me & I try to never let things run out of hand. One person I may be pecived as hating one minute may be my best friend the next, this has happend with many users and includes Ref.

 

But just look above, especially to the posts to Uslei, a misunderstanding could be down to the fact her primary language isnt english... not the fact shes a 'tool'.

 

So yes essentially what i'm trying to say is, I have been warned in the past and I have said some pretty bad things and I do push the boundries a bit but thats my personality, I don't set out to insult people and I dont think i'm nearly as bad as I used to be (say 3 or 4months ago) but I stand by the fact I never attack people on a personal level, where as at time Ref seemed to thrive on it.

[_deemy_]

I agree about him going to far with Usiel, but there are things I've seen that are pretty similar. And not just flat-out insults either but just plain arrogance from some people is almost just as bad.

 

And also how many people have posted in this thread saying that banning Ref was a good idea?

[Hahninator]

Alright, but I'll tone it down a bit.

 

There are certain people [normal members, elites and mods] around the forums that are basically the same as Ref, and yet don't get punished for it. Personally I think it's bullshit that one person can be singled out like he has been, while the other people that do the exact same thing get away with it scott-free. And I know Ref had several warnings and still continued to 'be abusive and whatever' but the other people that do it should be at least warned as well no? I mean, why is Ref singled out when he is by no means the only person doing the type of posts that he got banned for.

 

I really think it's utter crap how this whole situation has been handled and I think it needs to be looked into to having a consistent rule no matter who the poster is and what their rank is. Hell, it should be more strict the higher rank you have, since some of the posts I've seen from mods [one in particular, but am not naming] are arrogant, self-absorbed and just plain rude.

 

Sorry my presence offends you?

 

Personally from me to you - don't act like you know exactly what goes on at the forums. I've been scolded a few times already about my posts. I know it's unprofessional. I've gotten yelled at.

 

So I'm automatically a bad guy now because I'm the only one that stands up, refutes what he's saying, goes against him, and let's him have exactly what he's dishing out?

 

Reality people.

[_deemy_]

Um what?

 

How about you get down off your high horse there and realise that nothing of what I said is about you. I wasn't talking about you in that post Mr. Ego, so just calm down..

[Hahninator]

Um what?

 

How about you get down off your high horse there and realise that nothing of what I said is about you. I wasn't talking about you in that post Mr. Ego, so just calm down..

 

K.

 

I'm not going to instigate this further. Sorry if I offended you, but I thought you were talking about me coming back at Ref in those threads.

 

I guess I'll stay out of this.

[_deemy_]

No it wasn't you I was talking about, was others. Your responses to Ref were fine from what I can tell. At least, they were deserved from his so...

[Victim]

Honestly, if you think there is someone who shouldn't be in the position they are in, then you need to let us know, ( like PM me, or something , but hell it could be me to as you are referring) and then show us why... Because I have a few people in mind, but none of them have recently been offensive, nor arrogant, as you clam they have..But hell I am tired of hearing everyone bitch about "this person" but are to scared to say anything.. If you think it is so wrong SPEAK UP!!!!!! If you aren't going to stand up for what you believe in, but just stay in the shadows, why bother, because its not going to get anything done.

 

While yes you are right, there are a few people here fighting for Ref. the majority of the forum members haven't even posted, or that just said they didn't understand, and it was sad to see him go, while the others knew this was the right decision.

 

Like I said, not everyone is going to be happy with decision, but it is FINAL, and no matter how much you argue and said it was BS, and unfair, its not going to change. A little hypocritical about what I said earlier about standing up for what you believe in, but nothing you say on Jake's matter will reverse his ban.. So. its. final.

[UnhingedMouse0]

Also, if you see someone "do the exact same thing (and) get away with it scott-free"... report the post(s) and it will be dealt with if necessisary. We do miss things, there are only 5 of us, we arent around ALL the time. We need your help, so if you have problem something report it, or like victim said, send one of us a PM. Otherwise I dont really feel sorry for anyone who complains later on about something they did nothing about at the time.

 

And yes, please no more of the "this person" crap, it just adds confusion. If you want to give examples, give names, but give em through PM as we need no more unnecessisary flame wars.

[azemkamikaze03]

If you guys have a problem with a mod, an elite, or just a plain member tell us. I don't see where it makes sense to complain that there are problems on this site, but never take action upon it. I told Jake/Ref that if he felt Mark/Hahninator was being to harsh on him to PM UMO and let him know how he felt. In that way there can be some checks and balances. Contrary to this belief you guys have we aren't some kind of elite dictatorship that thinks everything we say is right. We argue with each other on subjects of what is right and what is wrong all the times in our MOD section. If we feel a mod is behaving badly we check them. There was a time when Mark started going off Ref and just really getting rude and I told him to take it easy and he agreed apologized and we went from there. I'd expect that if I was getting out of hand that Jeezy, Mark, Victim, and UMO would put me in check.

 

We are a diverse group of mods, each with our own flare, style, and way of tackling things.

 

We didn't single out reflectionist. The members of Linkin Park Forums did. Members who were attacked by him complained to Mark, and unfortunately Mark was attacked as well so he told us how he felt. We never once said...WE DONT LIKE WHAT HE'S SAYING LETS BAN HIM. We analyzed what has been said, talked about it. Discussed how what he said impacted our members. I argued in Favor to keep him. I displayed my points everyone else displayed their points and we worked until we had a common ground.

 

It's really easy to criticize the Mods and throw rocks at them for what they do when you aren't one. But the minute your on the other side of the glass you realize that it's not exactly as easy as you thought it was and you realize throwing rocks just doesn't help the situation. Trust me, i have definitely been on both sides.

 

 

We all have times where we say stuff that shouldn't be said. I'll be the first to admit it, but I can guarantee you guys this, he did it to the extreme and thats what got him banned. As said earlier Usiel did nothing to truly get chewed out the way she did. Mark didn't deserve it either, no body did. I have never (since becoming MOD at least lol) taken someone out the way Ref did...if I did and you truly believe it's up to par with the stuff he says and does. If I have called you directly an idiot please please PM a mod/admin about it so that they can take care of that.

 

Lol anyways please don't associate us with the Pope, I'm not old yet nor do I practice abstinence if your going to compare me to someone try Bill Clinton...maybe 50 cent...or Sadam lol just so long as the comparasion doesnt end with me hanging.

[FireHawk]

Close this or LPF is gonna go to hell. People are just going to get feelings hurt. You are basically doing what you banned ref for about banning ref (not referring to anyone except the users of LPF not just Admins/Mods, Elites, or Members).

[Victim]

Obviously some things still need to be said, and I say, go ahead and let them say them here and now, before it starts somewheres else..You guys have till Sunday, as stated in the original post, to get whatever you need out..

 

As far as I can tell, its not out of hand yet.. So, it stays open, for now.

[allieking]

ok in my honest opinion if your not happy somewhere you leave, don't just bitch about it because it makes it less enjoyable for the ones who actually enjoy being around. don't call mods and elites behind their backs, have the balls to go straight to them, i mean how can they know they are bothering you when you don't tell them.

[Friðbjörn]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?

first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

 

but alright fair enough. I actually had not seen those posts or at least the most brutal ones. if you think it's a fair decision, fine.

 

 

you say it's not a dictatorship, alright, it isn't. but it's an oligarchy. regular members don't have a say. they've never had.

and usually they're not supposed to. but ideally the mod position should be elected. I'm not necessarily saying that would work, with popularity contests and so on.

[Jeezy]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?

first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

 

she said that no matter what you say it won't bring ref back.

 

If you have problems regarding other members...you should just talk about it to get things changed.

[littleblackstone]

u know what?

 

i'm tired of all that sh*t bout Ref, but i'm gonna express my opinion now cause i have that right too.

 

I'm glad u banned Ref.

He disrespected me and many other members here. I saw many disrespecting posts made by him before they got delected of course, so i know what i'm talking about.

Some of u keep saying he was fine and he just spiced things up, but he was doing it in the wrong way.

i dont think LPF would be more interesting with flaming wars, mainly caused by Ref.

he had many chances to change his negative behaviour and he just wasted them all.

 

lets just face it guys.

LPF needs members with good sense of humor, but not disrespecting with other members.

[allieking]

well said hun ^