Reflectionist

[littleblackstone]

well said hun ^

 

thankz allie

[Friðbjörn]

she said that no matter what you say it won't bring ref back.

 

If you have problems regarding other members...you should just talk about it to get things changed.

like I said in the PM, I'm not really interested in trying to save the helpless. I mean that metaphorically.

me talking isn't gonna change anything.

 

a bunch of words from people that aren't in charge or influence don't change shit. this isn't India during the Ghandi era

[azemkamikaze03]

me talking isn't gonna change anything.

 

a bunch of words from people that aren't in charge or influence don't change shit.

 

You really honestly truly believe this?

[Stllmn8j]

You really honestly truly believe this?

 

Pretty much...we can complain about shit as much as we want but most likely nothing will change or happen because of it

 

(Unless it's Mark complaining about Ref)

[azemkamikaze03]

It's a shame, because you guys are really mistaken if you believe that. It'll be true if you believe it to be. We've always been open to take in new ideas and the Mod staff has always been open to help with anything you guys want to do, I know its been said outside of this thread. It's not our job to pry you guys for answers, its your guy's job to give it to us.

 

If your speaking on terms of banning thats a different story, we have to keep it between the mods because that is what our job entails. and I think it's fair that we make the important final decisions because you have to be unbiased when u deal with a touchy manner and we are.

[Victim]

uhh....Haily why are you telling us to be open and honest and telling things and then say whatever we say will never get anything done here?

first you say if we never say anything nothing happens, then you say no matter what we say it won't change anything. interesting.

 

I do believe, I said i was being hypocritical.. Read the post again, and little more slowly please..

I do want you guys to tell us if something is wrong, or if you think it is unjust.. But, just because you do it, doesn't mean we will change it.. But you never know until you try... because you might not have the whole story to begin with.

 

Jakes case is a bad example.. All your arguments against is ban are too little, too late.. The decision is final...This was a thread to DISCUSS it, not to CHANGE it.

 

but alright fair enough. I actually had not seen those posts or at least the most brutal ones. if you think it's a fair decision, fine.

 

Well, atleast this wasn't all a waste.. I promise, there is lots more that you have never read, and never seen.. And too many things he said, just weren't right.

 

 

you say it's not a dictatorship, alright, it isn't. but it's an oligarchy. regular members don't have a say. they've never had.

and usually they're not supposed to. but ideally the mod position should be elected. I'm not necessarily saying that would work, with popularity contests and so on.

 

Lol, you don't think most of the mods now aren't popular? Azem, Mark, Mouse, JEEZY!??!.. Geezumm, they have to be some of the most well known people on this forum..Jeezy did get elected by the people. If we saw the need for more Mods, we would add them, but there isn't room for them now.. But are you seriously suggesting that we wipe out teh current staff, and "elect" all new ones.. Because hell, I think that would turn out worse, then you think it is now. Even if I wasn't on the staff, and I am not including myself in this, I think this is the most relaxed and fair staff I have have ever seen.. and trust me, I am and have been in the past, part of many forums.. So, if you think it is so "unfair" just walk away.. No one is keeping you here..

 

I like you a lot, and I thought you were a kickass mod.. and if you think the "system" is so corrupt, why didn't you change it back then?

[Acezorz]

I am glad he is gone, being opinionated is one thing, but he was being opinionated and attacking other members for giving an opinion that went against his. And as Stenners said, he just started personal attacks on people.

I completely agree with what lbs said too, he was given plenty of chances and he was generally being abusive. I don't think he was being funny with his insults at all, it's just e-bullying to try and get some laughs. I think the mods handled this in the right way; his posts were quite vicious and unfriendly, and often provoked flaming.

[Friðbjörn]

I'd just like to say regardless of what we're talking about and what's going to come out of it, I'm glad that people are actually talking things out.

I've never liked fights, but now I think that the occasional not too brutal ones are quite healthy.

 

You really honestly truly believe this?

yes. now, I'm ideally motivated when it comes to these things, protesting corruption within governments, illegal wars, unlawful annexations, and so on. but I'm talking about on here. lots of regular members on lots of occasions have said a lot of things but it doesn't mean that the staff have taken notice to that.

I'm saying, talking works, just not on here. or at least so I've seen.

 

 

IIf your speaking on terms of banning thats a different story, we have to keep it between the mods because that is what our job entails. and I think it's fair that we make the important final decisions because you have to be unbiased when u deal with a touchy manner and we are.

haha, seriously, that's the funniest thing I've read all day

 

Lol, you don't think most of the mods now aren't popular? Azem, Mark, Mouse, JEEZY!??!.. Geezumm, they have to be some of the most well known people on this forum..Jeezy did get elected by the people. If we saw the need for more Mods, we would add them, but there isn't room for them now.. But are you seriously suggesting that we wipe out teh current staff, and "elect" all new ones.. Because hell, I think that would turn out worse, then you think it is now. Even if I wasn't on the staff, and I am not including myself in this, I think this is the most relaxed and fair staff I have have ever seen.. and trust me, I am and have been in the past, part of many forums.. So, if you think it is so "unfair" just walk away.. No one is keeping you here..

 

I like you a lot, and I thought you were a kickass mod.. and if you think the "system" is so corrupt, why didn't you change it back then?

now, you read my post again. I did not say that, or I did at least not mean that. I'm saying, a vote would actually not work, in many cases with it being a popularity contest. so, I'm pondering here. and I find that a vote actually would not work.

 

yes I do believe a few things here are a bit rotten, but I'm not gonna walk away. sure, I have taken months long breaks in the past, but I'm not gonna quit on the whole struggle.

 

thanks and all, but I don't really recall you being much around when I was mod. but please correct me if I'm wrong.

lol, it's not like I had power to change things. one mod doesn't change much in that respect. besides, I was much too naive, and dumb as shit. I went all personal in against mark's attacks, which was a big mistake, because if you answer back you're giving the bully what they want. there was at one time when I was mod also a huge fight between various members. I remember being dragged into msn group conversations with people I was possibly going to ban. not smart. but yeah if what you're saying is true, that you guys do take a vote before kicking someone off, good on you. cause back then, we didn't take official vote, I think. ask Mouse though, he might remember better.

 

 

I just feel like I'm getting mixed signals. alright I can back up about Ref, although I'm not happy truth be told, but I'm speaking out in general. now, I can't judge how unfair or vicious I may be, but I'm speaking out the best I can.

you guys are telling me I'm saying bullshit, or so I get the feeling, yet there's this talk about us giving feed if we fell something is wrong. I dunno.

 

and yeah, I did say a whole lotta talk doesn't do much, yet I do it. why? cause I wanna change that.

I hope that at least that changes around here, cause I'm feeling quite alienated at the moment here. and maybe I can't ever say anything that you guys will accept as understandable by your standards, but I'm being honest here, from my standpoint.

[Acezorz]

Meh, at the end of the day, this is an internet forum, drama like this is going to happen and people like Ref are going to be around, I see it all the time. It's a vicious cycle of e-drama that will be here as long as the internet is.

[Victim]

thanks and all, but I don't really recall you being much around when I was mod. but please correct me if I'm wrong.

lol, it's not like I had power to change things. one mod doesn't change much in that respect. besides, I was much too naive, and dumb as shit. I went all personal in against mark's attacks, which was a big mistake, because if you answer back you're giving the bully what they want. there was at one time when I was mod also a huge fight between various members. I remember being dragged into msn group conversations with people I was possibly going to ban. not smart. but yeah if what you're saying is true, that you guys do take a vote before kicking someone off, good on you. cause back then, we didn't take official vote, I think. ask Mouse though, he might remember better.

 

This is what I wanted you to understand/remember.. You want to sit here, and poke, poke, poke, out the flaws, and whether its intentional or not, it makes it look like they are OUR fault.. When in then end they aren't.. There are just some things that WE don't have the power to change.. I can work against this or that, and work for that and this.. but it doesn't mean I can change them... and not matter how much I try to explain it, people are still going to complain, and say we aren't doing anything, and its our faults, and why didn't we do this, or why did we do that.. You know exactly how that feels, and its important to remember, before you place ALL the blame on us.

 

And yes, I was around while you were a mod.. I have been here FOREVER.. I am not a very active poster, now and back then.

 

I just feel like I'm getting mixed signals. alright I can back up about Ref, although I'm not happy truth be told, but I'm speaking out in general. now, I can't judge how unfair or vicious I may be, but I'm speaking out the best I can.

you guys are telling me I'm saying bullshit, or so I get the feeling, yet there's this talk about us giving feed if we fell something is wrong. I dunno.

 

and yeah, I did say a whole lotta talk doesn't do much, yet I do it. why? cause I wanna change that.

I hope that at least that changes around here, cause I'm feeling quite alienated at the moment here. and maybe I can't ever say anything that you guys will accept as understandable by your standards, but I'm being honest here, from my standpoint.

 

 

This thread was honestly, or how I interpreted it to be, is just a thread for you guys to tell us how you felt about it, and for us to tell you in general about banning Jake, so when you found out, you wouldn't get all riled up and point fingers at us for not telling you.. This thread was not at all meant for you guys attempt to change our minds.

 

And I am glad you are speaking out.. Whether you think we are doing things with it or not, I can tell you WE are.. We aren't ignoring it, and we aren't going behind your back and saying, "Let him complain all he wants. We will never change anything" We are actually working to make changes,.. SO please don't stop what you are doing, in other cases, not Jakes, lol.

[Breakdown Conspiracy]

Ref can be annoying, but I find his posts amusing, when LPF is become a dull place full of random new kids who just post tons of pictures involving themselves and a mirror, and even when they are directed at me i let it fly. I dont know if its because we share similar opinions or what, but I dont care too much about Ref on LPF, i mean geez its a forum, not the real world, unless he is sending you hate mail, or calling you a "jew jew you fucking jew", get over it, you can simply ignore what he says and go take a walk outside. You can't win every argument (which ive found). I say he should be allowed to have a presence on this forum. You may say my opinion is formed this way because I havnt had a serious run-in with Ref, it may be the case, but its still my current opinion.

 

EDIT: Reading on, I see that ref has said hurtful things to people, this of course shouldn't be pardoned, but I still think that this is an internet forum, its not exactly the "real world" so we know people differently here, I know offense can still be taken, and if it is serious there should be consequences, but if people go crying to their internet blog about how some dude told them that their fave band, LP in mind, is useless and shit, they should build a bridge and GET OVER IT.

[GraDoN]

Ref can be annoying, but I find his posts amusing, when LPF is become a dull place full of random new kids who just post tons of pictures involving themselves and a mirror, and even when they are directed at me i let it fly. I dont know if its because we share similar opinions or what, but I dont care too much about Ref on LPF, i mean geez its a forum, not the real world, unless he is sending you hate mail, or calling you a "jew jew you fucking jew", get over it, you can simply ignore what he says and go take a walk outside. You can't win every argument (which ive found). I say he should be allowed to have a presence on this forum. You may say my opinion is formed this way because I havnt had a serious run-in with Ref, it may be the case, but its still my current opinion.

haha good post

[Friðbjörn]

This is what I wanted you to understand/remember.. You want to sit here, and poke, poke, poke, out the flaws, and whether its intentional or not, it makes it look like they are OUR fault.. When in then end they aren't.. There are just some things that WE don't have the power to change.. I can work against this or that, and work for that and this.. but it doesn't mean I can change them... and not matter how much I try to explain it, people are still going to complain, and say we aren't doing anything, and its our faults, and why didn't we do this, or why did we do that.. You know exactly how that feels, and its important to remember, before you place ALL the blame on us.

 

And yes, I was around while you were a mod.. I have been here FOREVER.. I am not a very active poster, now and back then.

of course I wanna poke poke poke. all authority needs to be questioned. you can't have a functioning community if the oligarchy always has all the say about everything and no one can say shit about that.

yes I know how you feel, to an extent. I've been as part of the staff under a pretty big shitstorm.

maybe you can call this, me and a couple others raging over this a shitstorm, I dunno, but I haven't seen anything big since back in '06 when I quit.

 

 

This thread was honestly, or how I interpreted it to be, is just a thread for you guys to tell us how you felt about it, and for us to tell you in general about banning Jake, so when you found out, you wouldn't get all riled up and point fingers at us for not telling you.. This thread was not at all meant for you guys attempt to change our minds.

 

And I am glad you are speaking out.. Whether you think we are doing things with it or not, I can tell you WE are.. We aren't ignoring it, and we aren't going behind your back and saying, "Let him complain all he wants. We will never change anything" We are actually working to make changes,.. SO please don't stop what you are doing, in other cases, not Jakes, lol.

 

 

alright fair enough. I'll get off your backs, for now.

[woodyloveslinkin]

LPF's a mini melodrama in itself

[Stenners]

LPF's a mini melodrama in itself

 

Cept it isnt really is it?

[woodyloveslinkin]

I dunno. I reckon it's a non-medical version of Grey's Anatomy. I sadly watch that as well.

[Stenners]

Not really, the arent many catalysts I would say Reflectionist, Makr, Myself and maybe Firehawk are the only catalysts left... but in different ways, we are just opinianated, Reflectionist was more volatile.

[azemkamikaze03]

lol alright guys u had ur say we had ours this thread is done