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Everyday is a winding road Sheryl Crow I hitched a ride with a vending machine repair man He says he's been down this road more than twice He was high on intellectualism I've never been there but the brochure looks nice Jump in, let's go Lay back, enjoy the show Everybody gets high, everybody gets low, These are the days when anything goes [Chorus] Everyday is a winding road I get a little bit closer Everyday is a faded sign I get a little bit closer to feeling fine He's got a daughter he calls Easter She was born on a Tuesday night I'm just wondering why I feel so all alone Why I'm a stranger in my own life Jump in, let's go Lay back, enjoy the show Everybody gets high, everybody gets low These are the days when anything goes [Chorus] I've been swimming in a sea of anarchy I've been living on coffee and nicotine I've been wondering if all the things I've seen Were ever real, were ever really happening [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tfBtJqcmhRs]YouTube - SHERYL CROW - Everyday Is A Winding Road (1996)[/ame]

Civil War Guns and Roses "What we've got here is failure to communicate. Some men you just can't reach... So, you get what we had here last week, which is the way he wants it! Well, he gets it! N' I don't like it any more than you men." Look at your young men fighting Look at your women crying Look at your young men dying The way they've always done before Look at the hate we're breeding Look at the fear we're feeding Look at the lives we're leading The way we've always done before My hands are tied The billions shift from side to side And the wars go on with brainwashed pride For the love of God and our human rights And all these things are swept aside By bloody hands time can't deny And are washed away by your genocide And history hides the lies of our civil wars D'you wear a black armband When they shot the man Who said "Peace could last forever" And in my first memories They shot Kennedy I went numb when I learned to see So I never fell for Vietnam We got the wall of D.C. to remind us all That you can't trust freedom When it's not in your hands When everybody's fightin' For their promised land And I don't need your civil war It feeds the rich while it buries the poor Your power hungry sellin' soldiers In a human grocery store Ain't that fresh I don't need your civil war Look at the shoes your filling Look at the blood we're spilling Look at the world we're killing The way we've always done before Look in the doubt we've wallowed Look at the leaders we've followed Look at the lies we've swallowed And I don't want to hear no more My hands are tied For all I've seen has changed my mind But still the wars go on as the years go by With no love of God or human rights 'Cause all these dreams are swept aside By bloody hands of the hypnotized Who carry the cross of homicide And history bears the scars of our civil wars "We practice selective annihilation of mayors And government officials For example to create a vacuum Then we fill that vacuum As popular war advances Peace is closer" I don't need your civil war It feeds the rich while it buries the poor Your power hungry sellin' soldiers In a human grocery store Ain't that fresh And I don't need your civil war I don't need your civil war I don't need your civil war Your power hungry sellin' soldiers In a human grocery store Ain't that fresh I don't need your civil war I don't need one more war I don't need one more war Whaz so civil 'bout war anyway [ame]www.youtube.com/watch?v=E9VhD4SccSE[/ame]

Well said.. The school did the right thing. It was turning into a "street fight" before it even happened. Bad sign. I applaud the principle.

I agree.. real Americans also don't strip those feedoms from a position of "power" from the very people who's freedoms they are claiming to protect. Maybe a closer look at who our freedoms need protecting from is in order. Sounds like extortion to me..

SS men did what they were suppose to do for Hitler.

Yes, the world is quite mad.. What a joke. Give her back her job.

Uhhhgg.. My hangover today confirms my belief.. booze stinks! :o

Just because someone doesn't agree with the war, or any war for that matter, doesn't mean they are against America. Live by the sword, die by the sword ~ Jesus Real Americans and real Christians don't believe in killing anyone for any reason. Perhaps it's the Republicans who hate America and are determined to take everyone down with them rather than admit they made a mistake? Real Americans also don't deceive their impressionable young people into thinking strapping on a gun and killing any person some old white men tell you to kill will make you a hero. Sounds like our "enemy", doesn't it? Get a college education and 17 Virgins! Uncle Sam wants you! How odd... Real Americans aint hypocrites, I know that for sure.

Totally agree... I think the principle did the exact right thing by canceling this event for the good of his school.

Whoops.. repeated. Had it all up there.. 2 sides to every story.. Not cool to use kids as pawns, IMO.

Nick Coleman: A political agenda hid behind a talk with heroes Tuesday's cancellation of a visit to Forest Lake High School by Iraq War veterans in a giant bus labeled "Vets For Freedom National Heroes Tour" produced a bonanza of outraged media reports. By NICK COLEMAN, Star Tribune Last update: March 27, 2008 - 2:52 PM Tuesday's cancellation of a visit to Forest Lake High School by Iraq War veterans in a giant bus labeled "Vets For Freedom National Heroes Tour" produced a bonanza of outraged media reports: "Heroes banned by School! Minnesota hates the Heroes!" Or maybe a Minnesota school was just trying to keep its students from becoming pawns in a political game. There would not have been much outrage if that big bus, instead of saying "Heroes Tour," had been painted to say "Republican Tour to Shore Up the Pro-War Vote." But that would have been an honest paint job. And it would have made clear why Forest Lake Principal Steve Massey -- now vilified by right wing radio and TV -- did what he did. Massey and Forest Lake -- a patriotic small town with a Fourth of July parade where spectators stand and doff their hats and put their right hands over their hearts every single time an American flag goes by -- are getting a bum rap. The visit to Forest Lake was worked out by Massey and Forest Lake alum Pete Hegseth, an Iraq veteran who heads Vets for Freedom. VFF says it is nonpartisan, but the liberal watchdog group the Center for Media and Democracy said it began as a Republican front group managed by White House insiders. Their plan? According to the Center for Media and Democracy, the plan is to drum up support for the war. The group's political bent was clear last year when it bought TV ads to thank Sen. Norm Coleman, R-Minn., for supporting the war. Hey, folks: It's an election year. Things may get ugly. They sure were in Forest Lake. Permit me to say something: Vets for Freedom are real vets, their heroics are authentic (but not all heroes support the war) and their right to their opinion is unquestioned. But uniforms and valor should not hide a political agenda. On that, they must be questioned. Even in a school. Especially in a school. The veterans' visit was planned as a low-key classroom discussion about patriotism and service to country. Massey said school officials were aware that Vets for Freedom has a political agenda, but the visit was planned as a non-political classroom discussion. Then Massey says Hegseth's group decided to call a press conference at the school and alerted media. That caught the eye of anti-war activists, including veterans of Iraq who oppose the war. They called their own press conference and rally. A social studies discussion was turning into a street fight. "We had been excited about the vets coming," Massey says. "Then, lo and behold, they schedule a news conference on our campus. Time out. We had to step back in a context of (worrying about) safety. The last thing we wanted was a political presentation. We had the makings of a disruption." Massey had little choice. He called off the visit, forcing the "Heroes" to move to a Legion club and opening the gates to a flood of misleading propaganda about a hero "snubbed" by his Alma Mater and vets turned away by cowards. Massey has received 1,200 e-mails and 250 phone calls from people -- many far from Minnesota -- calling him a coward, a Communist or a spineless America Hater. You're getting a free history lesson, kids. Google "Dissent in America." Most of the angry calls were generated by right-wing talkers who used the Forest Lake story to whip up manufactured outrage and reinforce the effort to keep Americans who support the Iraq War from abandoning ship and joining the large majority of Americans who don't think the war is worth more lives. But all of the abuse hurled at little Forest Lake is nonsense. "Our school employs many incredible veterans," Massey says. "We celebrate them and hold them up as role models and heroes. So to criticize our school as unpatriotic..." I'll finish his sentence: It's ridiculous; it's demagoguery. "You pay a high price to stand up and do the right thing," says Massey, who met with the VFW and American Legion commanders on Wednesday to try to repair some of the damage. The Forest Lake fight turns out to be more than you could handle in a one-day discussion in Social Studies. What is a hero? What is patriotism? What if you oppose a war supported by the public? Or want to fight one opposed by most people? Can a patriot be against the war? Why not? Are most Americans un-American? Maybe it's un-American to say so. But I think high school kids should discuss all of this. After all, they may soon be in Iraq, or Iran, themselves. But if they hear from Vets for Freedom, they should hear from Iraq Veterans Against the War, too. Or see "Body of War," a documentary about a soldier named Tomas Young who volunteered after 9/11 and was paralyzed in Iraq. "Many of us volunteered with patriotic feelings in our heart," he says. Until he was "sent into the wrong country," to fight in Iraq, not Afghanistan. Forest Lake shows how badly we need to talk about this war. And how very hard it is to do. Nick Coleman ncoleman@startribune.com Continue to next page

I care and eddo cared.. but good point.. we do all agree.. Not about political points of view, but about groups representing political agenda's is the way I see it.. No problem with a hero's tour movie.. sure that wouldn't have raised any eyebrows.

Excellent points.. neither have I. Seen many a muscle grow on a drunken fool though.. Seen weed melt anger away in normally aggressive people too..

I'll trust Jesus's definition.. Hypocrisy most certainly involves judging another. No judging = no hypocrisy. Your right though, judging doesn't = hypocrisy.. judging, labeling, and looking down on another and condemning them for what the accuser in fact, is. = Hypocrisy. I think Jesus would agree.. What do you see wrong with that definition? All the parts of hypocrisy are present.. Put it in your words for me.. Webster is a dumbass. 7:1 Judge not, that ye be not judged. 7:2 For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again. 7:3 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? 7:4 Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? 7:5 Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye. Like you said.. one can't take one part without looking at the others.. Seems to me judging is the main ingredient..

Judge not . . . you hypocrite [MAT 7:1-5] I'm ok with the definition.. you can write to Jesus if you don't like it.. I didn't add it, the bible did. Funny, I just picked it up 2 years ago, I thought you've been going to church for years.. "Hypocrisy in anything whatever may deceive the cleverest and most penetrating man, but the least wide-awake of children recognizes it, and is revolted by it, however ingeniously it may be disguised." - Count Leo Tolstoy

I think I understand that word quite well.. Not a riddle. You just wish I didn't.. I think it's well known what age group the armed services looks to recruit.. last I checked, Al wasn't building an army and recruiting people like the KKK.. or the armed services. I have a feeling that was the issue, but like I said, I don't know.. Just my guess. Why a high school? Why not a community center for all ages?

Personally, I'd have loved to listen to them.. and thank them. Just not sure if a high school full of immpressionable young people is the proper place for it. People prolly thought they were going to be recruiting. Just my thoughts.. who knows.

Never knew they were.. That seems rather stupid.. They do abortions between classes? I'd bitch if I lived in that community.. Not their job.

That definitiion is lacking a tad.. Can't forget the act of condemning someone and doing the same thing yourself as well.. So if you condemn them for what they did by cancelling the presentation, but would agree with them to deny the KKK to hold a bonfire, that would be hypocritical, right? you really wouldn't want a KKK rally at your kids school, would you? I wouldn't have a problem with them saying the KKK is "too political" to host them at our school.. I do think it's ok for them to cancel it.. I don't see what they did as hypocritical. I don't condemn what they did.. perfectly fine.. Wouldn't want a KKK pep fest either, they have every right to hold whatever they see fit. They didn't see this fit apparently.. (Not comparing KKK to veterens other than to make a point about the rights of schools to decide so don't jump to conclusions anyone) Snaf. Again, I think the hero's tour would have been fine, just not mandatory.. They saw otherwise. I'm not the one to make that decision. The school and community is. Plus, I really didn't see where they were saying other "too political" organizations were fine let alone allow groups of them present their agenda at the school.. Prolly would have been better for like the American legions club to hold the event and make it a community deal, rather than at a high school. I'm sure there would have been no issues with it.. High schools, there's always issues.

lol.. no.. I wasn't stoned that whole month. Schools hard enough..

I recall you thinking I was a good driver? MJ is illegal so a market could be created for it and control freaks could exert some control over it.. be worthless otherwise. Money wise, anyways..

I never said it was ok for teachers to preach anything.. But until we invent the educate -o- matic 3000 robot teacher, we're at the mercy of human frailty when it comes to education. Do you really want a KKK pep fest? I said the group should be allowed... just not mandatory attendance. Flyers at your local high school.. Michigan Milita is holding a Sadie Hawkins Dance Friday night following a down with federal government survival symposium!! Snacks will be provided Local order of the White Knights of the Klu Klux Klan is proud to announce it will be sponsoring a "bonfire" after the football game Friday night. Free hot chocolate and robes will be available! Fair is fair... Hahahahahaha Plus, a hypocrite is someone who judges, labels, and looks down on another and wants to punish/condemn them for being what the accuser in fact, is.. How did you possibly even think anything I said fit that catagory? Please explain... Matter of fact, I don't even condemn people for what I'm not.. or anyone for that matter..It's not a word I bandy about lightly.. I make sure it fits before I utter it.. And I don't condemn them either.. I love them.

Booze is way worse in my opinion.. and personal experience. Don't ever recall puking and hanging over from weed.

Like I said, "too political"? What the hell does that even mean? I think it's more along the lines that they also wouldn't host and a require a "consciencious objector hero's tour '08"... Or a pro life hero's tour.. or a pro choice hero's tour.. Charged issues.. prolly be trouble.

I don't agree.. I don't see the two as the same, unless Al Internet Gore was in person trying to scare the hell out of people..I don't think it was the "too political" part.. even if some moron used those words to describe why it was cancelled..