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Les Hellawell
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On Sun, 24 Sep 2006 19:37:33 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
>"V A P O L L U A N" <nerrat73@netscape.net> wrote in message
>news:1159129254.723990.173440@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Bill M wrote:
>>>
>>> A very simple god question.
>>> There are thousands of gods and god beliefs.
>>> Why does not the real god tell us directly from his heaven that he is the
>>> real god and all the others are fakes?
>>> Why does he not smite and destroy the fake gods?
>>
> Why? And deprive you of your free choice to believe or disbelieve
>without feeling coerced?
The point you missed is our problem deciding how we choose when
there is no way to distinquish one claimed god from another (other
than by examining the claim to see if it is coherent and 'hangs
together as sensible.)
>So Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and
>love doesn't coerce.
Yer. yer we know all about your human emotions are gods concept.
That's just about the easiest claimed god to elimininate from the
vasty field of candidates.
As people who do not believe there is a god we constantly test
that view by looking for evidence. And what better souce of
evidence could there be but from the very people people who
claim these divers gods? We do not have to look very
far as you lot cannot keep away from our popular and lively
newsgroup. Yes here you are again crossposting like mad and
promoting your claim yet again. You just could not resist could you?
Yet all of you lot fail to bring it. Time after time visit after visit
and not one jot of evidence either direct or indiect. You surely
aught to know by now what it is we seek?
In other words it is you - yes you - who are the ones who
convince us we are right to be careful what we choose
to believe and right to withold that belief from the Christian
one. We will not be convinced by your hatred either.
Naturally the first hurdle the promoters have to climb in order to
convince is the test of coherence. Does the claim make sense
does it 'hang together'? Your claim failed that first test long ago:
An all loving god that murders the innocent first born of Egypt in
order to get its way when it could have choosen a much more
peaceful and loving solution? Love? That is not love that is hate.
" For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds,
Lilies that fester, smell far worse than weeds."
- Shakespeare Sonnet No. 94
If you want to learn about love Shakespeare is a far better
source of it than the hate filled Bible.
Even if the Christian claim did make sense the story is of
a vicious, nasty vindictive and venegeful god created in the
image of the people that invented it and not one that
is love. Where you get this notion it is love is beyond me.
A god that sends people to a terrible hell for all eternity is a
picture of a heartless and cruel being. Even the heaven
does not look attractive either as its inmates seem to
spend all their time at its feet in fawning worship. Yuk! Real
death looks a far more inviting prospect than either of these
and this is what I devoutly hope for.
Will the real god please stand up as its adherent are
failing it and badly.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
<PastorFrank@christfirst.org> wrote:
>"V A P O L L U A N" <nerrat73@netscape.net> wrote in message
>news:1159129254.723990.173440@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>> Bill M wrote:
>>>
>>> A very simple god question.
>>> There are thousands of gods and god beliefs.
>>> Why does not the real god tell us directly from his heaven that he is the
>>> real god and all the others are fakes?
>>> Why does he not smite and destroy the fake gods?
>>
> Why? And deprive you of your free choice to believe or disbelieve
>without feeling coerced?
The point you missed is our problem deciding how we choose when
there is no way to distinquish one claimed god from another (other
than by examining the claim to see if it is coherent and 'hangs
together as sensible.)
>So Our Christian "God is love" (1 John 4:8,16) and
>love doesn't coerce.
Yer. yer we know all about your human emotions are gods concept.
That's just about the easiest claimed god to elimininate from the
vasty field of candidates.
As people who do not believe there is a god we constantly test
that view by looking for evidence. And what better souce of
evidence could there be but from the very people people who
claim these divers gods? We do not have to look very
far as you lot cannot keep away from our popular and lively
newsgroup. Yes here you are again crossposting like mad and
promoting your claim yet again. You just could not resist could you?
Yet all of you lot fail to bring it. Time after time visit after visit
and not one jot of evidence either direct or indiect. You surely
aught to know by now what it is we seek?
In other words it is you - yes you - who are the ones who
convince us we are right to be careful what we choose
to believe and right to withold that belief from the Christian
one. We will not be convinced by your hatred either.
Naturally the first hurdle the promoters have to climb in order to
convince is the test of coherence. Does the claim make sense
does it 'hang together'? Your claim failed that first test long ago:
An all loving god that murders the innocent first born of Egypt in
order to get its way when it could have choosen a much more
peaceful and loving solution? Love? That is not love that is hate.
" For sweetest things turn sourest by their deeds,
Lilies that fester, smell far worse than weeds."
- Shakespeare Sonnet No. 94
If you want to learn about love Shakespeare is a far better
source of it than the hate filled Bible.
Even if the Christian claim did make sense the story is of
a vicious, nasty vindictive and venegeful god created in the
image of the people that invented it and not one that
is love. Where you get this notion it is love is beyond me.
A god that sends people to a terrible hell for all eternity is a
picture of a heartless and cruel being. Even the heaven
does not look attractive either as its inmates seem to
spend all their time at its feet in fawning worship. Yuk! Real
death looks a far more inviting prospect than either of these
and this is what I devoutly hope for.
Will the real god please stand up as its adherent are
failing it and badly.
--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from:
YORKSHIRE - The White Rose County
