ANOTHER GOD QUESTION

On 22 Oct 2006 11:24:33 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On 21 Oct 2006 21:06:11 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >> >Duh...God is part of the "real World"... Your personal disbelief
>> >> >changes nothing.
>> >>
>> >> No, brainwashed moron - the BELIEF is. Are you even capable of
>> >> grasping the difference?<<
>
>Wow..quite a little ego trip you are on..Impressive..

HArdly, liar.

>So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
>determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
>independent reality.

Where did I say that, liar?

It's a standard dishonest tactic commonly used ny you lot , to put
words into other people's mouths instead of addressing what you are
tokd.

>So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
>it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
>central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
>disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
>job..Typical

Why don't you learn to read for comprehension, and stop being so
dishonest?

>FYI..Idea's are not substantial. You can disbelieve in something and it
>may still have an independent reality.... You could simply be
>wrong.....

More dishonesty.

Why is it so hard to realise that teh rest of teh world doesn't
revolve around your fantasies?
>
>> >
>> >Thanks for your personal opinion... Most all of the world all through
>> >time has disagreed with you... Nice work
>>
>> Translation: you have none.<<
>
>
>Hmm....Thought I did.. Perhaps you are so committed to defending your
>little agenda that you have a closed mind and cant see what nearly
>everyone else in the World sees...
>
>>
>> Look up "argument ad populum fallacy", moron, and then get back with
>> that evidence.
>>
>> Hint: was the world really flat when people believed that?<<<
>
>Define flat? Your conventional labels are just that..conventions..
>
>Do you believe you are Christopher? Isn't that just a label your
>parents made up? Please point to the "real" Christopher.
>
>hint for you... There isn't just one level of reality..There is the
>"real" and then there is the "really real"..Conventional Truth and
>then Absolute Truth and ( not to confuse you)........ both at the same
>time.
 
On 22 Oct 2006 11:27:01 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Actually, a Fact. No one can show they've SEEN Gawd, only BELIEVED
>they did.

A subjective interpretation in terms of their belief. You've obviously
never come across NDEs in other religions, have you?

>www.near-death.com
>
>Enjoy

Hypocrite.
 
marcinmd wrote:
> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On 21 Oct 2006 21:06:11 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Duh...God is part of the "real World"... Your personal disbelief
>>>>> changes nothing.
>>>> No, brainwashed moron - the BELIEF is. Are you even capable of
>>>> grasping the difference?<<
>
> Wow..quite a little ego trip you are on..Impressive..
>
> So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
> determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
> independent reality.
>
That's not what he said at all. Learn to read. It will serve you well.
Peter

>
> So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
> it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
> central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
> disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
> job..Typical
>
> FYI..Idea's are not substantial. You can disbelieve in something and it
> may still have an independent reality.... You could simply be
> wrong.....
>
>
>>> Thanks for your personal opinion... Most all of the world all through
>>> time has disagreed with you... Nice work
>> Translation: you have none.<<
>
>
> Hmm....Thought I did.. Perhaps you are so committed to defending your
> little agenda that you have a closed mind and cant see what nearly
> everyone else in the World sees...
>
>> Look up "argument ad populum fallacy", moron, and then get back with
>> that evidence.
>>
>> Hint: was the world really flat when people believed that?<<<
>
> Define flat? Your conventional labels are just that..conventions..
>
> Do you believe you are Christopher? Isn't that just a label your
> parents made up? Please point to the "real" Christopher.
>
> hint for you... There isn't just one level of reality..There is the
> "real" and then there is the "really real"..Conventional Truth and
> then Absolute Truth and ( not to confuse you)........ both at the same
> time.
>
 
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> >
> >Wow..quite a little ego trip you are on..Impressive..
>
> HArdly, liar.

Nope..It is truly impressive...


> >So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
> >determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
> >independent reality.
>
> Where did I say that, liar?<<

You said that reality contains those things that dont dissapear when
you dont believe in them...... No?


>
> It's a standard dishonest tactic commonly used ny you lot , to put
> words into other people's mouths instead of addressing what you are
> tokd.<<

Well...I am not big on being "Told" ( see previous comments about ego
tripping)
>
> >So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
> >it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
> >central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
> >disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
> >job..Typical
>
> Why don't you learn to read for comprehension, and stop being so
> dishonest?<<

Ad hominem attack.... Did the point strike a bit to close for you?

>
> >FYI..Idea's are not substantial. You can disbelieve in something and it
> >may still have an independent reality.... You could simply be
> >wrong.....
>
> More dishonesty.

Ad hominem

>
> Why is it so hard to realise that teh rest of teh world doesn't

> revolve around your fantasies?<,

Ad hominem


Btw... Nerarly all people, nearlly every place, for neally all of human
history has sided with me and not you... Just thought I'd mention that.


> >
> >>
> >> Hint: was the world really flat when people believed that?<<<
> >
> >Define flat? Your conventional labels are just that..conventions..
> >
> >Do you believe you are Christopher? Isn't that just a label your
> >parents made up? Please point to the "real" Christopher.
> >
> >hint for you... There isn't just one level of reality..There is the
> >"real" and then there is the "really real"..Conventional Truth and
> >then Absolute Truth and ( not to confuse you)........ both at the same
> >time.


Annnnnnnnd ...He's gone..

Nice playing with you.... Bye
 
On 22 Oct 2006 15:03:03 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> >
>> >Wow..quite a little ego trip you are on..Impressive..
>>
>> HArdly, liar.
>
>Nope..It is truly impressive...

And it's a figment of your deluded imagination that ru rationalised
rather than addressed fact.

>> >So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
>> >determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
>> >independent reality.
>>
>> Where did I say that, liar?<<
>
>You said that reality contains those things that dont dissapear when
>you dont believe in them...... No?

Failed Logic 101, did you?

>
>
>>
>> It's a standard dishonest tactic commonly used ny you lot , to put
>> words into other people's mouths instead of addressing what you are
>> tokd.<<
>
>Well...I am not big on being "Told" ( see previous comments about ego
>tripping)

Just because you can't deal with fact when it contradicsts yur
religion - even though it us a fact that y ours is merely one of
hundreds of different religions that are only special to their own
believers.

>> >So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
>> >it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
>> >central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
>> >disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
>> >job..Typical
>>
>> Why don't you learn to read for comprehension, and stop being so
>> dishonest?<<
>
>Ad hominem attack.... Did the point strike a bit to close for you?

No. Yiou obviously can't read for comprehension, otherwise you would
not attack your own fabrications.

>>
>> >FYI..Idea's are not substantial. You can disbelieve in something and it
>> >may still have an independent reality.... You could simply be
>> >wrong.....
>>
>> More dishonesty.
>
>Ad hominem

No, fact.

>>
>> Why is it so hard to realise that teh rest of teh world doesn't
>
>> revolve around your fantasies?<,
>
>Ad hominem

Fact. It doesn't.

>
>Btw... Nerarly all people, nearlly every place, for neally all of human
>history has sided with me and not you... Just thought I'd mention that.

So what? Reality isn't determined by popular vote otherwise the Earth
really would have been flat once.

>> >
>> >>
>> >> Hint: was the world really flat when people believed that?<<<
>> >
>> >Define flat? Your conventional labels are just that..conventions..
>> >
>> >Do you believe you are Christopher? Isn't that just a label your
>> >parents made up? Please point to the "real" Christopher.

Idiot.

>> >hint for you... There isn't just one level of reality..There is the
>> >"real" and then there is the "really real"..Conventional Truth and
>> >then Absolute Truth and ( not to confuse you)........ both at the same
>> >time.

Stupid bulshit.

>
>Annnnnnnnd ...He's gone..

You're gone - long ago.

>Nice playing with you.... Bye

Asshole.
 
Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>
> And it's a figment of your deluded imagination that ru rationalized
> rather than addressed fact.


And which "fact" would that be?

>
> >> >So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
> >> >determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
> >> >independent reality.
> >>
> >> Where did I say that, liar?<<
> >
> >You said that reality contains those things that dont disappear when
> >you dont believe in them...... No?
>
> Failed Logic 101, did you?<<

Actually I took logic in college..Tough course...So it seems like all
you have left are personal remarks . I guess you can no longer address
the questions at hand.



>
> >
> >
> >>
> >> It's a standard dishonest tactic commonly used ny you lot , to put
> >> words into other people's mouths instead of addressing what you are
> >> tokd.<<
> >
> >Well...I am not big on being "Told" ( see previous comments about ego
> >tripping)
>
> Just because you can't deal with fact when it contradicsts yur
> religion - <<


Really? So far all you do is name call... Not impressed

even though it us a fact that y ours is merely one of
> hundreds of different religions that are only special to their own
> believers.<<

I think all I have defended so far is that a "divine hand" is at work
in creation.. I have not argued for Orthdoxy in any particular way.

>
> >> >So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
> >> >it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
> >> >central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
> >> >disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
> >> >job..Typical
> >>
> >> Why don't you learn to read for comprehension, and stop being so
> >> dishonest?<<
> >
> >Ad hominem attack.... Did the point strike a bit to close for you?

>
> No. Yiou obviously can't read for comprehension, otherwise you would
> not attack your own fabrications.<<

Right..... Unless you can make a cogent case you have been defeated.

Have a good day and better luck next time.

snip remainder of name calling and personal remarks.

P. S. learn to use a spell checker
 
On 22 Oct 2006 18:11:00 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>>
>> And it's a figment of your deluded imagination that ru rationalized
>> rather than addressed fact.
>
>
>And which "fact" would that be?

You know perfectly well becaude you snipped it. Stop being so
dish-nest.

>> >> >So let me get this straight... Your personal belief is what you think
>> >> >determines reality..If you dont believe in something, then it has no
>> >> >independent reality.
>> >>
>> >> Where did I say that, liar?<<

Well, liar?

>> >You said that reality contains those things that dont disappear when
>> >you dont believe in them...... No?
>>
>> Failed Logic 101, did you?<<
>
>Actually I took logic in college..Tough course...So it seems like all
>you have left are personal remarks . I guess you can no longer address
>the questions at hand.

More of your lies.

>
>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> It's a standard dishonest tactic commonly used ny you lot , to put
>> >> words into other people's mouths instead of addressing what you are
>> >> tokd.<<
>> >
>> >Well...I am not big on being "Told" ( see previous comments about ego
>> >tripping)
>>
>> Just because you can't deal with fact when it contradicsts yur
>> religion - <<
>
>
>Really? So far all you do is name call... Not impressed

All you do, is resort to personal lies, liar. What do you imagine that
achieves?

>even though it us a fact that y ours is merely one of
>> hundreds of different religions that are only special to their own
>> believers.<<
>
>I think all I have defended so far is that a "divine hand" is at work
>in creation.. I have not argued for Orthdoxy in any particular way.

No, liar. You have made the baseless assertion, followed up with
personal lies about those with a better grasp of reality than you.

>
>> >> >So then you do seem to think the Universe has a source..You just think
>> >> >it's you and your idea's and that somehow idea's/human belief is the
>> >> >central determinator of reality.... So it's not that you completely
>> >> >disbelieve in all the attributes of God, it's just that you want the
>> >> >job..Typical
>> >>
>> >> Why don't you learn to read for comprehension, and stop being so
>> >> dishonest?<<
>> >
>> >Ad hominem attack.... Did the point strike a bit to close for you?
>
>>
>> No. Yiou obviously can't read for comprehension, otherwise you would
>> not attack your own fabrications.<<
>
>Right..... Unless you can make a cogent case you have been defeated.

Liar.

>Have a good day and better luck next time.

Says the in-your-face dishonest, thoroughly nasty, personal liar who
never addresses what he is told.

>snip remainder of name calling and personal remarks.

****ing hypocrite.

>P. S. learn to use a spell checker

Learn some honesty.
 
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161450332.409358.200820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
> Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On 20 Oct 2006 12:44:43 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> And how is that vidence? It's merely what some people out of touch
>> with reality think, who can't grasp that only people inside their
>> religion will think that.
>
>
> Because the World is ordered in such a way as to impy a divine hand.

In your opinion.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
 
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161450719.332196.94050@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
> >From RCC catachism:
>
>
> II. WAYS OF COMING TO KNOW GOD

What god?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
 
"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
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>
>> Nietzsche thought xianity was a nihilistic religion.
>
> And Hitler thought Nietzsche was on to something....

Godwin alert! You lose!
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
 
Bill M wrote:
> Another god question.
>
>
>
> If this all loving god created the Universe and everything in it, why was he
> so cruel that he created 12,000 illnesses and killing Plagues, Tsunamis,
> Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes, Wars, Floods etc.
>
>
>
> Is this evidence of an all powerful and loving god?


Bill,

You ask a valid question. I suppose you're open to all answers. I
believe there's a purpose in life. Although it is hard sometimes to
understand why things happen they way they do. I believe in God, and
believe he has not left us without some explainations. These I find in
my religous faith. Below are a few scriptures that I find help answer
your questions (these may be unknown to you even if you are familiar
with the Bible) .



Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of
truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. - The Doctrine
and Covenants of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints (D&C),
Section 93, Verse 29

____________________________

Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were
organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of
the noble and great ones;

And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst
of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among
those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said
unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou
wast born.

And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said
unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space
there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth
whereon these may dwell;

And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things
whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;

And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who
keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom
with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second
estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever. - The
Book Of Abraham Chapter 3, Verses 22 - 26


__________________________


And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this
is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!

For we saw him, even on the bright hand of God; and we heard the voice
bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father-

That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were
created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters
unto God. - D&C 76, 22-24
 

> >
> >And which "fact" would that be?
>
> You know perfectly well becaude you snipped it. Stop being so
> dish-nest.<<

Snip rant...

Well.... I'm done... Youre wasting my time and your own..Consider
getting some help with your anger issues.

Marc
 
On 23 Oct 2006 10:36:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>> >
>> >And which "fact" would that be?
>>
>> You know perfectly well becaude you snipped it. Stop being so
>> dish-nest.<<
>
>Snip rant...
>
>Well.... I'm done... Youre wasting my time and your own..Consider
>getting some help with your anger issues.

Whatr "anger issues", liar? I'm just treating a deliberately nasty,
in-your-face, stupid liar as he deserves.

>Marc
 
Whatr "anger issues", liar? I'm just treating a deliberately nasty,
in-your-face, stupid liar as he deserves<<

LOL.....Naw... No out of control anger here.. Must be my imagination

Prosicution rests your honor..
 
On 23 Oct 2006 12:40:03 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Whatr "anger issues", liar? I'm just treating a deliberately nasty,
>in-your-face, stupid liar as he deserves<<
>
>LOL.....Naw... No out of control anger here.. Must be my imagination
>
>Prosicution rests your honor..

Hardly, if you don't want to be called a liar, don't be one - and then
don't pretend it is due to anger rather than your own mendacity.
 
Robibnikoff wrote:
> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1161450332.409358.200820@f16g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>>
>>>On 20 Oct 2006 12:44:43 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>And how is that vidence? It's merely what some people out of touch
>>>with reality think, who can't grasp that only people inside their
>>>religion will think that.
>>
>>
>>Because the World is ordered in such a way as to impy a divine hand.
>
>
> In your opinion.

===>Right.
It is nothing but anthropomorphic thinking and projection.
They see a rock that looks like a person, it must have been
someone turned into a "pillar of salt" by a "god". -- L.
 
L Edward wrote:
> Bill M wrote:
>
>>Another god question.
>>
>>
>>
>>If this all loving god created the Universe and everything in it, why was he
>>so cruel that he created 12,000 illnesses and killing Plagues, Tsunamis,
>>Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Earth Quakes, Wars, Floods etc.
>>
>>
>>
>>Is this evidence of an all powerful and loving god?
>
>
>
> Bill,
>
> You ask a valid question. I suppose you're open to all answers. I
> believe there's a purpose in life. Although it is hard sometimes to
> understand why things happen they way they do. I believe in God, and
> believe he has not left us without some explainations. These I find in
> my religous faith.

===>You have a "God" that you created in your mind, on the basis
of stories in which others described THEIR imaginary deities.

Below are a few scriptures that I find help answer
> your questions (these may be unknown to you even if you are familiar
> with the Bible) .

===>Just what I meant above.
You quote the statements of others about THEIR imaginary gods. -- L.
>
> Man was also in the beginning with God. Intelligence, or the light of
> truth, was not created or made, neither indeed can be. - The Doctrine
> and Covenants of The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-Day Saints (D&C),
> Section 93, Verse 29
>
> ____________________________
>
> Now the Lord had shown unto me, Abraham, the intelligences that were
> organized before the world was; and among all these there were many of
> the noble and great ones;
>
> And God saw these souls that they were good, and he stood in the midst
> of them, and he said: These I will make my rulers; for he stood among
> those that were spirits, and he saw that they were good; and he said
> unto me: Abraham, thou art one of them; thou wast chosen before thou
> wast born.
>
> And there stood one among them that was like unto God, and he said
> unto those who were with him: We will go down, for there is space
> there, and we will take of these materials, and we will make an earth
> whereon these may dwell;
>
> And we will prove them herewith, to see if they will do all things
> whatsoever the Lord their God shall command them;
>
> And they who keep their first estate shall be added upon; and they who
> keep not their first estate shall not have glory in the same kingdom
> with those who keep their first estate; and they who keep their second
> estate shall have glory added upon their heads for ever and ever. - The
> Book Of Abraham Chapter 3, Verses 22 - 26
>
>
> __________________________
>
>
> And now, after the many testimonies which have been given of him, this
> is the testimony, last of all, which we give of him: That he lives!
>
> For we saw him, even on the bright hand of God; and we heard the voice
> bearing record that he is the Only Begotten of the Father-
>
> That by him, and through him, and of him, the worlds are and were
> created, and the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters
> unto God. - D&C 76, 22-24
>
 
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1161387350.958396.255250@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
> > Pastor Frank wrote:
> >> "Father Haskell" <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >> news:1161298847.248587.327090@m7g2000cwm.googlegroups.com...
> >> > marcinmd wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Stroll about with a "kick me" sign on your back, you're
> >> >> > gonna get kicked.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sir, I have been "kicked" by no one, I assure you... The only damage
> >> >> ad
> >> >> hominem attacks do are to the people who employ the tactic.
> >> >
> >> > Flamed on usenet, kicked in the ass by half the school, including
> >> > the janitor, big difference.
> >>
> >> Who "kicks" whom and who's left standing is a big thing in atheist
> >> circles.
> >
> > Checked the back of your shirt lately?
> >
> So what? Christ suffered more from atheists disguised as religionists.

I see. Too proud to look, and you've actually been an atheist
pretending to be a fundy moron for all of these years. Great job.
You had everyone fooled.
 
Pastor Frank wrote:
> "Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
> news:45399297.5080309@nothingbutthe.truth...
>
>>Pastor Frank wrote:
>>
>>>"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
>>>news:45354EC8.2030105@nothingbutthe.truth...
>>>
>>>
>>>>In fact most people are Atheists to some degree. Christians will deny the
>>>>the Mayan, Hindu, Ancient Roman, Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian, Ancient
>>>>Sumerian, Ancient Baylonian, etc. Gods and Goddesses.
>>>
>>> What do you know about "Christians" Libertine? Nothing!!!!
>>
>>===>Libertarius knows all there is to know about Christians.
>>That even includes your phony Neo-Marcionite "Christianity" based on
>>a hatred for Jews, "their" OT, and "their" god YHWH, whom you denounce
>>because you have invented your own "god", NARCISSISM!
>>
>>
>>>We don't
>>>"deny" any such gods. In fact we believe in the existence of all those
>>>gods you list, we just decline to give them any credence, or put our
>>>faith into them.
>>
>>===>Now THAT is funny!
>>Thanks for the laugh!
>>
>
> You don't laugh Libertine, you snicker without reason like an idiot.
>
>
>>> Is it true you lost faith in your God, the "eternal cosmos" as per
>>>subject above, and which ain't eternal?
>>
>>===>I have NEVER, EVER called it "my God". The Eternal Cosmos is
>>EXISTENCE ITSELF, which will always exist, while your "love God" will
>>expire with your last breath.
>>ALL GODS WORSHIPPED BY MEN ARE IDOLS! -- L.
>>
>
> You got that reversed again Libertine. Your cosmos is created and
> material, and will perish as all matter will. The only thing eternal is the
> holy and inerrant Word of God. The quality which is love will exist in all
> eternity, as all qualities will, for qualities are spiritual and not
> material.

===>Sorry, "pastor" Fake,
you have only testified once again to your utter ignorance
and banality! -- L.
 

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