ANOTHER GOD QUESTION

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 17 Oct 2006 12:27:12 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
>it is an accident? Even superficial observation of nature would lead a
>reasonable person to see a divine hand. That is why almost every
>society advanced and primitive alike have assumed some sort of Divine
>root to creation..

Argument from ignorance. You don't know therefore you invent a
seperbeing out of nothing and insist that it did it, with no
justification.

>It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene. As

Bullshit. Look up "Seneca" and tell us when he lived. ALso the Baron
d'Holbach.

>people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
>wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
>natural order. Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
>assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View..

Bullshit. It has refuted many more Christian assumptions.

> Multiple dimensions,
>the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
>increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..

Point out where tehse are "Judeo Christian assumptions". Hint: they're
not - it's post hoc rationalisation.

>Albert Einstein was hardly an "idiot" and he believe in God as the
>root source of creation..

No, he didn't. He wasn't any kind of theist you would recognise.

> Atheism simply does not answer the question
>"Why is there something rather than nothing" .

Atheism doesn't even have that question, moron. It is part of your
religion's metaphysical presumptions, that it pretends to answer.

> Why would only Material
>be eternally existent and not life itself? Atheists have problems with
>ceding authority above their own personal ego's.

Atheists have problems with deliberate in-your-face nastiness from
personal liars like you.

>As far as creation myths go, they should not be read like a blueprint
>as to.. HOW.. things were created. They explain.. WHY.. the World was
>created, which is an infinitely more valuable message.

No, moron, why PRIMITIVE AND IGNORANT PEOPLE BELIEVED the world was
created.

 

[Robibnikoff]

"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
> it is an accident?

Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557

 

[Libertarius]

marcinmd wrote:
> Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
> it is an accident? Even superficial observation of nature would lead a
> reasonable person to see a divine hand.

===>Can't you see that your claimed "divine hand" is the real "accident"?
The cosmic totality of all existence has always existed and will always
exist. But a "creator" can only be produced by the human mind that has
evolved over billions of years on this planet.

It will be interesting some day to find out what intelligent species
evolved elswhere in the universe might thing about this human failure
to think clearly and realize what a self-contradictory speculation
creationism really is.

That is why almost every
> society advanced and primitive alike have assumed some sort of Divine
> root to creation..

===>Advanced civilizations produced SCIENCE, which has no room for
such nonsense. ALL creationistic ideas go back to the primitive stage
of humankind, when fables were sufficient to "explain" things. Modern
creationism is like the vestigeal organs left over from earlier stages
of evolution.


> It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene.

===>More nonsense.
In the ancient Hindu book of Upanishads Brahman ("ultimate reality") is
IMPERSONAL.
Theravada Buddhism and Jainism reject any notion of a "creator".
In the West e.g. Lucretius represents non-theistic thinking.
In fact most people are Atheists to some degree. Christians will deny
the the Mayan, Hindu, Ancient Roman, Ancient Greek, Ancient Egyptian,
Ancient Sumerian, Ancient Baylonian, etc. Gods and Goddesses.




As
> people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
> wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
> natural order.

===>More stupidity.
Whom are you parroting with all this nonsense?
At least you should be honest enough to give us your source.
Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
> assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View.. Multiple dimensions,
> the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
> increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..
>
> Albert Einstein was hardly an "idiot" and he believe in God as the
> root source of creation..

===>That is another LIE!
Einstein said he believed in "Spinoza's God",
which Spinoza identified as nothing more or less than NATURE!

Atheism simply does not answer the question
> "Why is there something rather than nothing" .

===>Can YOU answer the question "WHY AND WHERE IS THERE A GOD"???
You see, you cannot.
So, why ask that dumb question.
It is like asking why is white white and blue bl;ue.

Why would only Material
> be eternally existent and not life itself?

===>Because MATTER is seen everywhere.
"Life" can be seen NOWHERE.
Only LIVING MATTER, which is an ephemeral,
temporary for of existence of matter!

Atheists have problems with
> ceding authority above their own personal ego's.

===>They are not confused and brainwashed like you, who "cedes"
authority to ancient fables and contemporary preachers.

>
> As far as creation myths go, they should not be read like a blueprint
> as to.. HOW.. things were created. They explain.. WHY.. the World was
> created, which is an infinitely more valuable message.

===>ANOTHER of your lies!
There is NOTHING about any "WHY" in ANY of the creation stories.
They ALL give a dewcription of HOW!

You may give the above some thought, but beware!
WARNING: THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH! -- l.

>

 

[Libertarius]

Robibnikoff wrote:
> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
>>Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
>>it is an accident?
>
>
> Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists.

===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L.

 

[marcinmd]

>
> Argument from ignorance. You don't know therefore you invent a
> seperbeing out of nothing and insist that it did it, with no
> justification.

The exact same could be said of you..What do you "Know"..When we turn
to the most famous physicists who have deeply pondered the nature of
reality and the universe by your standards, they agree with me and not
with you..Go figure


>
> >It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene. As
>
> Bullshit. Look up "Seneca" and tell us when he lived. Also the Baron
> d'Holbach.<<

No thanks...Athiesm had no following past the tinest minority until
recently....

>
> >people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
> >wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
> >natural order. Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
> >assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View..
>
> Bullshit. It has refuted many more Christian assumptions.<<

Not really.....You just have an agenda and see what you need to see to
stay within your little comfort zone


>
> > Multiple dimensions,
> >the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
> >increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..
>
> Point out where tehse are "Judeo Christian assumptions". Hint: they're
> not - it's post hoc rationalisation.
>
>..
>
> No, he didn't. He wasn't any kind of theist you would recognise.

Or..You dont know what Orthodox Christians believe and you are making
assumptions based on ignorance


>
> > Atheism simply does not answer the question
> >"Why is there something rather than nothing" .
>
> Atheism doesn't even have that question, moron. It is part of your
> religion's metaphysical presumptions, that it pretends to answer.<<


Er.. Fine..Atheism falls flat when it is asked why there is something
rather than nothing..It cant answer the most basic questions about the
nature and origins of existence...Fair question.. But I understand why
you dont ask about it...

>
> > Why would only Material
> >be eternally existent and not life itself? Atheists have problems with
> >ceding authority above their own personal ego's.
>
> > No, moron,

You sure do like to name call..dont you? It's a sure sign of a weak
case.

 

[marcinmd]

Robibnikoff wrote:
> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
> > it is an accident?
>
> Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists.

Correct, but it does demonstrate that the Athiest World View is flawed.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 17 Oct 2006 18:43:41 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> Argument from ignorance. You don't know therefore you invent a
>> seperbeing out of nothing and insist that it did it, with no
>> justification.
>
>The exact same could be said of you..What do you "Know"..When we turn
>to the most famous physicists who have deeply pondered the nature of
>reality and the universe by your standards, they agree with me and not
>with you..Go figure

Only in your ignorant fantasies.
>
>
>>
>> >It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene. As
>>
>> Bullshit. Look up "Seneca" and tell us when he lived. Also the Baron
>> d'Holbach.<<

Here's a clue, noron, Seneca was bornin 5 BCE.

>No thanks...Athiesm had no following past the tinest minority until
>recently....

Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?

It's not something with a following.

Not believing in the deity of your religion is no differet than your
not believing is Zeus.

>> >people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
>> >wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
>> >natural order. Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
>> >assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View..
>>
>> Bullshit. It has refuted many more Christian assumptions.<<
>
>Not really.....You just have an agenda and see what you need to see to
>stay within your little comfort zone

The word for this is "lie". You lied. That makes you a liar.

>
>>
>> > Multiple dimensions,
>> >the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
>> >increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..
>>
>> Point out where tehse are "Judeo Christian assumptions". Hint: they're
>> not - it's post hoc rationalisation.
>>
>>..
>>
>> No, he didn't. He wasn't any kind of theist you would recognise.
>
>Or..You dont know what Orthodox Christians believe and you are making
>assumptions based on ignorance

You really are this stupid. He was a lapsed Jew.

>
>>
>> > Atheism simply does not answer the question
>> >"Why is there something rather than nothing" .
>>
>> Atheism doesn't even have that question, moron. It is part of your
>> religion's metaphysical presumptions, that it pretends to answer.<<
>
>
>Er.. Fine..Atheism falls flat when it is asked why there is something
>rather than nothing..It cant answer the most basic questions about the
>nature and origins of existence...Fair question.. But I understand why
>you dont ask about it...

Don't be so ****ing stupid.

>>
>> > Why would only Material
>> >be eternally existent and not life itself? Atheists have problems with
>> >ceding authority above their own personal ego's.
>>
>> > No, moron,
>
>You sure do like to name call..dont you? It's a sure sign of a weak
>case.

A liar as well as an idiot.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 17 Oct 2006 18:45:14 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>Robibnikoff wrote:
>> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
>> > it is an accident?
>>
>> Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists.
>
>Correct, but it does demonstrate that the Athiest World View is flawed.

What "atheist world view", liar?

 

[Robibnikoff]

"marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1161135914.319521.128340@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Robibnikoff wrote:
>> "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:1161113232.234965.165540@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>> >
>> > Can't you see how unlikely it is that the Universe and all that is in
>> > it is an accident?
>>
>> Sure, but that still doesn't prove that a god exists.
>
> Correct, but it does demonstrate that the Athiest World View is flawed.

Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View".
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557

 

[marcinmd]

Wow....Atheism does not seem to have helped you much with personal
character building..


It's tell tale that you are so full of insults and specifically name
calling around stupidity and idiocy etc...This points to the real
motivation behind clinging to Atheism for many people..Without a higher
authority, they personally rule the Universe...Ego has no bounds.
Morals have no boundaries... No final judgement, no authority, just you
and your ever expanding self....So anyone who does not agree is
"Stupid" because the real issue is not always the nature of reality and
God but rather personal ego, control issues.

--------------------



Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On 17 Oct 2006 18:43:41 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >>
> >> Argument from ignorance. You don't know therefore you invent a
> >> seperbeing out of nothing and insist that it did it, with no
> >> justification.
> >
> >The exact same could be said of you..What do you "Know"..When we turn
> >to the most famous physicists who have deeply pondered the nature of
> >reality and the universe by your standards, they agree with me and not
> >with you..Go figure
>
> Only in your ignorant fantasies.
> >
> >
> >>
> >> >It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene. As
> >>
> >> Bullshit. Look up "Seneca" and tell us when he lived. Also the Baron
> >> d'Holbach.<<
>
> Here's a clue, noron, Seneca was bornin 5 BCE.
>
> >No thanks...Athiesm had no following past the tinest minority until
> >recently....
>
> Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?
>
> It's not something with a following.
>
> Not believing in the deity of your religion is no differet than your
> not believing is Zeus.
>
> >> >people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
> >> >wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
> >> >natural order. Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
> >> >assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View..
> >>
> >> Bullshit. It has refuted many more Christian assumptions.<<
> >
> >Not really.....You just have an agenda and see what you need to see to
> >stay within your little comfort zone
>
> The word for this is "lie". You lied. That makes you a liar.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Multiple dimensions,
> >> >the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
> >> >increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..
> >>
> >> Point out where tehse are "Judeo Christian assumptions". Hint: they're
> >> not - it's post hoc rationalisation.
> >>
> >>..
> >>
> >> No, he didn't. He wasn't any kind of theist you would recognise.
> >
> >Or..You dont know what Orthodox Christians believe and you are making
> >assumptions based on ignorance
>
> You really are this stupid. He was a lapsed Jew.
>
> >
> >>
> >> > Atheism simply does not answer the question
> >> >"Why is there something rather than nothing" .
> >>
> >> Atheism doesn't even have that question, moron. It is part of your
> >> religion's metaphysical presumptions, that it pretends to answer.<<
> >
> >
> >Er.. Fine..Atheism falls flat when it is asked why there is something
> >rather than nothing..It cant answer the most basic questions about the
> >nature and origins of existence...Fair question.. But I understand why
> >you dont ask about it...
>
> Don't be so ****ing stupid.
>
> >>
> >> > Why would only Material
> >> >be eternally existent and not life itself? Atheists have problems with
> >> >ceding authority above their own personal ego's.
> >>
> >> > No, moron,
> >
> >You sure do like to name call..dont you? It's a sure sign of a weak
> >case.
>
> A liar as well as an idiot.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 18 Oct 2006 09:00:11 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>Wow....Atheism does not seem to have helped you much with personal
>character building..

It's no different than not believingin Santa Claus.

When you say stupid, bigoted lies about us to our faces, what reason
do we have to treat you as anything other than a stupid, bigoted
liar?

>It's tell tale that you are so full of insults and specifically nam
>calling around stupidity and idiocy etc...This points to the real

Then don't be those things.

I've pointed out where you did in your original.

>motivation behind clinging to Atheism for many people..Without a higher

There's nothing to cling to, brainwashed moron.

>authority, they personally rule the Universe...Ego has no bounds.

A liar as well as an idiot.

>Morals have no boundaries... No final judgement, no authority, just you

If you need the threat of a non-existant final judgement to keep you
in line, I hope you don't live within a thousand miles of my loved
ones.

>and your ever expanding self....So anyone who does not agree is
>"Stupid" because the real issue is not always the nature of reality and

Liar.

>God but rather personal ego, control issues.

Liar.

>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On 17 Oct 2006 18:43:41 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> Argument from ignorance. You don't know therefore you invent a
>> >> seperbeing out of nothing and insist that it did it, with no
>> >> justification.
>> >
>> >The exact same could be said of you..What do you "Know"..When we turn
>> >to the most famous physicists who have deeply pondered the nature of
>> >reality and the universe by your standards, they agree with me and not
>> >with you..Go figure
>>
>> Only in your ignorant fantasies.
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >> >It was not until the 19th century that Atheism appear on the scene. As

Falsehood refuted below.

>> >> Bullshit. Look up "Seneca" and tell us when he lived. Also the Baron
>> >> d'Holbach.<<
>>
>> Here's a clue, noron, Seneca was born in 5 BCE.
>>
>> >No thanks...Athiesm had no following past the tinest minority until
>> >recently....

It has no more following than its exact equivalent of not believing in
Santa Claus does.

>> Are you really this stupid, or just pretending?
>>
>> It's not something with a following.
>>
>> Not believing in the deity of your religion is no differet than your
>> not believing is Zeus.

Was this way over your head?

>> >> >people more and more lived in world that was mechanical, plastic
>> >> >wrapped and freeze dried the more they have become estranged from the
>> >> >natural order. Never the less, science has dove-tailed many
>> >> >assumptions of the Judeo Christian World View..

Bullshit. It has refuted all sorts of ridiculous claims starting at
the Garden of Eden. Like the flood. And then all the way through to
the hypothetical eclipse at the time of passover (ever wondered where
the moon is when it is full, and where it is for an eclipse of the
sun?).

>> >> Bullshit. It has refuted many more Christian assumptions.<<
>> >
>> >Not really.....You just have an agenda and see what you need to see to
>> >stay within your little comfort zone

You lied about both a non-existant agenda and a non-existant comfort
zone.

>> The word for this is "lie". You lied. That makes you a liar.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Multiple dimensions,
>> >> >the nature of time and space and survival of death have all been
>> >> >increasingly confirmed and understood by the scientific method..
>> >>
>> >> Point out where tehse are "Judeo Christian assumptions". Hint: they're
>> >> not - it's post hoc rationalisation.

Why didn't you?

>> >>..
>> >>
>> >> No, he didn't. He wasn't any kind of theist you would recognise.
>> >
>> >Or..You dont know what Orthodox Christians believe and you are making
>> >assumptions based on ignorance
>>
>> You really are this stupid. He was a lapsed Jew.

Well?

>> >
>> >>
>> >> > Atheism simply does not answer the question
>> >> >"Why is there something rather than nothing" .
>> >>
>> >> Atheism doesn't even have that question, moron. It is part of your
>> >> religion's metaphysical presumptions, that it pretends to answer.<<
>> >
>> >
>> >Er.. Fine..Atheism falls flat when it is asked why there is something
>> >rather than nothing..It cant answer the most basic questions about the
>> >nature and origins of existence...Fair question.. But I understand why
>> >you dont ask about it...

No more so than not believing in Santa Claus, moron.

And you don't"understand" anything - let alone the sheer irrelevance
of the hypothetical object of your deity belief outside your religion.

>> Don't be so ****ing stupid.
>>
>> >>
>> >> > Why would only Material
>> >> >be eternally existent and not life itself? Atheists have problems with
>> >> >ceding authority above their own personal ego's.
>> >>
>> >> > No, moron,
>> >
>> >You sure do like to name call..dont you? It's a sure sign of a weak
>> >case.

It wasn't name-calling. It was all your stupidity deserved.

>> A liar as well as an idiot.

You should have been more careful.

 

[marcinmd]

>
> It's no different than not believingin Santa Claus.

Yawn....

Btw..St. Nicholas was a real person and a great Saint who is revered in
the Orthodox Churches around the world..... See... If you learn just
one new thing every day

>
> When you say stupid, bigoted lies about us to our faces, what reason
> do we have to treat you as anything other than a stupid, bigoted
> liar?>>

Geeeez..... How did you get this jacked up? Time to switch to decaf...




Anyhow.. We're done now.... Please remember to ask your parents before
logging onto the Internet, you may be disturbing adults with better
things to do.

www.ourlifeinchrist.com

 

[marcinmd]

>
> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View".


Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view
about how they look at the world......

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 18 Oct 2006 10:59:31 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> It's no different than not believingin Santa Claus.
>
>Yawn....
>
>Btw..St. Nicholas was a real person and a great Saint who is revered in
>the Orthodox Churches around the world..... See... If you learn just
>one new thing every day

The point was way over the brainwashed moron's head.

>> When you say stupid, bigoted lies about us to our faces, what reason
>> do we have to treat you as anything other than a stupid, bigoted
>> liar?>>
>
>Geeeez..... How did you get this jacked up? Time to switch to decaf...

Here's a clue, moron: don't lie about us to our faces and you won't be
treated as the boigoted, nasty liar show demonstrated.

It's really that easy.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 18 Oct 2006 11:01:26 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>
>>
>> Hardly - There is no such thing as an "Athiest World View".
>
>
>Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view
>about how they look at the world......

And there's also reality, moron.

What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face
moron?

Is not-believing-in-Santa-Claus a philosophy or religion on your
planet?

 

[marcinmd]

>
> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L.

The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or
causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same"

The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will
eventually have an end.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 18 Oct 2006 12:00:24 -0700, "marcinmd" <marcinmd@aol.com> wrote:

>
>>
>> ===>Gods can exist by accident, but universes must be created. ;-) -- L.
>
>The better way to say that is "God Exists"..There is no origin or
>causality ( accident)..."Always existing and ever the same"

Feel free to demonstrate that it does.

>The Material Universe is different. It had a beginning and will
>eventually have an end.

And your evidence for this, is?

 

[marcinmd]

> >
> >Of course there is..Every philosphy and religion has a point of view
> >about how they look at the world......
>
> And there's also reality, moron.
>
> What makes you think atheism is a philosopy or religion, in-your-face?




Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

philosophy


Main Entry: phi

 

[Father Haskell]

marcinmd wrote:
>
> It's tell tale

Telltale. One word.

> that you are so full of insults and specifically name
> calling around stupidity and idiocy etc...

Stroll about with a "kick me" sign on your back, you're
gonna get kicked.

 

[Father Haskell]

marcinmd wrote:

> Anyhow.. We're done now.... Please remember to ask your parents before
> logging onto the Internet, you may be disturbing adults with better
> things to do.

What, is he disrupting your porn searches?