Black Day in Florida! McAmnesty Beats Mitt to Win Florida Primary

[Jerry Okamura]

"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."
> <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>AnAmericanCitizen wrote:
>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans
>>> and very few
>>> conservative republicans.
>>>
>>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him
>>> in addition to
>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.
>>
>>I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.
>>
>>None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary
>>or Obama is advocating "open borders."
>>
>>They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.
>>
>>What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million
>>illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any
>>reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we
>>need a more practical solution.
>>
>>To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration
>>lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they
>>will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to
>>deal with millions of similar cases?
>
> In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported. How many tied
> their case up in court?
>
> The number has been increasing every year since 1998.
> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-16-illegals-deportation_x.htm
>

There are about 20 million illegal aliens in the United States, with more
coming every year. "If" you are able to find and deport 157,000, you have
found and deported less than 1% of those already here, which does not count
the new ones that entered this country at the same time. At that rate, it
would take a very very long time to get them out of the country.

 

[Patriot Games]

"Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj005@hawaii.rr.com> wrote in message
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> "AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:e2k4q3583u7dmfids9fsen0th1air96lns@4ax.com...
>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream Republicans
>> and very few
>> conservative republicans.
>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for him in
>> addition to
>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.
> This is really a simple issue.

TWO simple issues.

> We have a problem with people entering this country illegally and a whole
> bunch of illegals already in this country. You either have a plan to stop
> them from entering this country illegally. If you do not have such a plan,
> then all you are doing is complaining about the problem, with no solution
> on how to solve the problem.

Build a Wall/Fence. That HALTS at least 98% of overland illegal crossings.
Some estimates say about 30% of the illegals here arrived legally by AIR and
intentionally overstayed their visas. There are two solutions to this, see
below for the first one.

> There are also a whole lot of illegals already in this country. Again,
> you either have a plan to get rid of them, or you have no solution to how
> to solve that part of the problem.

We did Operation Beaner in 1954. We had 1,000 Border Patrol agents. In ONE
year we deported 250,000 illegals and that action caused another 750,000 to
self-deport.

Its 2008 and we have 10,000 Border Patrol Agents. We SHOULD EASILY be able
to deport about 2.5 million a year. That action SHOULD cause about 7.5
million to self-deport.

So, it SHOULD take about TWO years to put a HUGE dent in the problem.

This is NOT rocket science.

 

[Steven L.]

Jerry Okamura wrote:
>
> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:svl4q31vqspcihei278kog5sbrv44bshlm@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 31 Jan 2008 18:10:11 -0500, "Steven L."
>> <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:
>>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream
>>>> Republicans and very few
>>>> conservative republicans.
>>>>
>>>> As of today he's had two other open borders advocates come out for
>>>> him in addition to
>>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.
>>>
>>> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.
>>>
>>> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary
>>> or Obama is advocating "open borders."
>>>
>>> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.
>>>
>>> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million
>>> illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any
>>> reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we
>>> need a more practical solution.
>>>
>>> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration
>>> lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they
>>> will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to
>>> deal with millions of similar cases?
>>
>> In 2004 over 157,000 illegal immigrants were deported. How many tied
>> their case up in court?
>>
>> The number has been increasing every year since 1998.
>> http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-02-16-illegals-deportation_x.htm
>>
>
> There are about 20 million illegal aliens in the United States, with
> more coming every year. "If" you are able to find and deport 157,000,
> you have found and deported less than 1% of those already here, which
> does not count the new ones that entered this country at the same
> time. At that rate, it would take a very very long time to get them
> out of the country.

Yep.
This reminds me of that old joke:
"If you lined up all the Chinese in China and had them march past you at
a rate of one per second, how many years would it take for all of them
to finish marching?"
The answer is NEVER, because so many more Chinese would be born along
the way that the march would never end.




--
Steven L.
Email: sdlitvin@earthlinkNOSPAM.net
Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

 

[Steven L.]

Patriot Games wrote:
> "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:13q4lafnv1cg0ee@corp.supernews.com...
>> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:
>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream
>>> Republicans and very few
>>> conservative republicans. As of today he's had two other open
>>> borders advocates come out for him in addition to
>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.
>> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.
>> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary
>> or Obama is advocating "open borders."
>> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.
>
> B u l l s h i t!
>
> Sealed off = Secure.
>
> Taking pictures and video so we know how many snuck in last night IS NOT
> SECURE.
>
> ZERO illegal entries = Secure.
>
>> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million
>> illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any
>> reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore
>> we need a more practical solution.
>
> B u l l s h i t!
>
> We could do it in TWO YEARS.
>
>> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration
>> lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they
>> will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going
>> to deal with millions of similar cases?
>
> B u l l s h i t!
>
> They have NO RIGHTS TO FIGHT WHILE HERE.

The U.S. Constitution guarantees every person on U.S. soil the same
Bill of Rights as you and me. Not just citizens, PERSONS.

That's why, for example, a tourist from Europe can come to America and
be interviewed on TV, or write a letter to the editor of a newspaper, or
practice his faith, while he's here. You can't deny him those rights
just because he's not a citizen.

And the U.S. Constitution grants automatic birthright citizenship to any
children of illegal aliens who are born in this country too. (That's
the famous "anchor baby" problem)

The only way you can get what you want, would be to initiate a totally
illegal and unconstitutional action. Sure, if you want to turn America
into a Fascist country, you could solve the immigration problem but I
hardly think it's worth it.

Bottom line: If there were a glib, easy, simple solution to the
immigration problem, it would have been done by now. It hasn't been
solved because the only practical solutions are complex, difficult, and
long.


--
Steven L.
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Remove the NOSPAM before replying to me.

 

[Tom Sr.]

On Jan 31, 5:52

 

[Tom Sr.]

On Jan 31, 6:10

 

[Patriot Games]

"Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13q6hbkj4oh887@corp.supernews.com...
> Patriot Games wrote:
>> "Steven L." <sdlitvin@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> news:13q4lafnv1cg0ee@corp.supernews.com...
>>> AnAmericanCitizen wrote:
>>>> Interesting that McAmnesty didn't win many of the mainstream
>>>> Republicans and very few
>>>> conservative republicans. As of today he's had two other open borders
>>>> advocates come out for him in addition to
>>>> Crist and Martinez...Guiliani and Swartznegger.
>>> I really wish you would stop these wild exaggerations.
>>> None of the candidates is advocating "open borders." Not even Hillary
>>> or Obama is advocating "open borders."
>>> They all recognized the need for border enforcement. Even the Democrats.
>> B u l l s h i t!
>> Sealed off = Secure.
>> Taking pictures and video so we know how many snuck in last night IS NOT
>> SECURE.
>> ZERO illegal entries = Secure.
>>> What McCain has said, correctly, is that deporting the 12 million
>>> illegal aliens who are already in the U.S. is impossible in any
>>> reasonable time, given the need for due process. And that therefore we
>>> need a more practical solution.
>> B u l l s h i t!
>> We could do it in TWO YEARS.
>>> To deport just one immigrant family is going to bring immigration
>>> lawyers and activists for LaRaza and the ACLU into the case, and they
>>> will fight it in the courts every step of the way. How are you going to
>>> deal with millions of similar cases?
>> B u l l s h i t!
>> They have NO RIGHTS TO FIGHT WHILE HERE.
> The U.S. Constitution guarantees every person on U.S. soil the same Bill
> of Rights as you and me. Not just citizens, PERSONS.
> That's why, for example, a tourist from Europe can come to America and be
> interviewed on TV, or write a letter to the editor of a newspaper, or
> practice his faith, while he's here. You can't deny him those rights just
> because he's not a citizen.

YOU ARE WRONG. A LEGAL tourist from Europe......would have been the CORRECT
way to begin that sentence.

> The only way you can get what you want, would be to initiate a totally
> illegal and unconstitutional action. Sure, if you want to turn America
> into a Fascist country, you could solve the immigration problem but I
> hardly think it's worth it.

There is NOTHING illegal or unconstitutional about HUNTING DOWN illegals.

> Bottom line: If there were a glib, easy, simple solution to the
> immigration problem, it would have been done by now. It hasn't been
> solved because the only practical solutions are complex, difficult, and
> long.

WRONG.

 

[Rib Crib]

On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:

> McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.

NO he HAS NOT!

Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!

 

[Shawn Hirn]

In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:

> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
> <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
>
> > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
>
> NO he HAS NOT!
>
> Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!

It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.

 

[Zeno]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:18:34 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
wrote:

>In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
> Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
>> <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>> > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
>>
>> NO he HAS NOT!
>>
>> Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!
>
>It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.

A "ball team" should stick together at any cost, heh ?

 

[Rib Crib]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:18:34 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
mumbled:

>In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
> Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
>> <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
>>
>> > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
>>
>> NO he HAS NOT!
>>
>> Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!
>
>It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.

It defines your idiocy to not understand come election time the
bickering will be a distant memory.

 

[robw]

It's a thing of beauty.


"Shawn Hirn" <srhi@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:srhi-559AF8.10183402022008@newsgroups.comcast.net...
> In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
> Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
>
> > On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
> > <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
> >
> > > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
> >
> > NO he HAS NOT!
> >
> > Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!
>
> It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.

 

[Rib Crib]

On Sat, 2 Feb 2008 12:45:56 -0500, "robw" <noddy093@comcast.net>
mumbled:

>It's a thing of beauty.

You, otoh, not so much...

 

[Shawn Hirn]

In article <ui99q39a6f8f9hh3k4tanvelac1bjlf2rh@4ax.com>,
Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:

> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:18:34 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
> mumbled:
>
> >In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
> > Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
> >
> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
> >> <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
> >>
> >> > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
> >>
> >> NO he HAS NOT!
> >>
> >> Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!
> >
> >It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.
>
> It defines your idiocy to not understand come election time the
> bickering will be a distant memory.

Ah, but will it?

 

[Rib Crib]

On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 22:23:55 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
mumbled:

>In article <ui99q39a6f8f9hh3k4tanvelac1bjlf2rh@4ax.com>,
> Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:18:34 -0500, Shawn Hirn <srhi@comcast.net>
>> mumbled:
>>
>> >In article <ddf7q3tah1p5568eo7k5nhoaep1nt3f5r0@4ax.com>,
>> > Rib Crib <baby@back.mo> wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Fri, 1 Feb 2008 08:31:50 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
>> >> <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:
>> >>
>> >> > McCain HAS won the majority of mainstream Republicans.
>> >>
>> >> NO he HAS NOT!
>> >>
>> >> Romney is the SUPERIOPR candidate!
>> >
>> >It warms my heart to see the Republican party implode.
>>
>> It defines your idiocy to not understand come election time the
>> bickering will be a distant memory.
>
>Ah, but will it?

Gonna vote Billarry or O-Bamalama are ya?

Punk!

 

[Tom Sr.]

On Feb 2, 12:27

 

[Tom Sr.]

On Feb 2, 12:45

 

[robw]

While I generally agree with you, I do think there's a chance someone might
put a little heat on. Not Coulter, she's a loose cannon, but can the Repub
party really live with having a candidate Rush doesn't like?


"Tom Sr." <tomswiftsr@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:995f0045-2eb6-48b6-b4fe-86d13c297027@d70g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 2, 12:27 pm, Rib Crib <b...@back.mo> wrote:
> It defines your idiocy to not understand come election time the
> bickering will be a distant memory.

Really??? Honest and true?!

Do you believe Rush Limbaugh will come out in strong support of and
vote for McCain when he becomes the Republican nominee?

Do you believe Ann Clouter will as well?

Do you believe Patriot Games will be gun-ho for McCain come November
2008?

Do you think you should see a psychiatrist for your delusional state
of mind? (You need to answer this "yes" for your own well-being.)

-Tom Sr.

 

[Yuma]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 06:53:56 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:

>On Feb 2, 12:27

 

[Yuma]

On Sun, 3 Feb 2008 06:56:04 -0800 (PST), "Tom Sr."
<tomswiftsr@gmail.com> mumbled:

>On Feb 2, 12:45