breast milk attack?

[hugo]

I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony.

 

[timesjoke]

The local county court judge has rutinely dismissed charges of assaulting an officer in both people physically striking the officer and spitting on the officer, and says in the court record that that kind of stuff just goes with the job.

That must be reginal, we really do not have many Judges down here that much against law enforcement. When even the Judges believe you deserve to be abused, why would anyone want to work that job?

Seems to me the Judge needs to be spit on a few times to see how he feels about it.

 

[Ahhlee]

I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony.

I agree with hugo. But yes, she should be punished to some degree.

 

[timesjoke]

I would say test her for infectious diseases. If she is negative it should be no more than a misdemeanor. If she is positive than a felony.

So would you apply the same standard to all body fluids? If the person has no infections then blood, urine, spit and even fecal matter are all just a minor concern when tossed at a law enforcement officer if these things are free of infections that could be passed to the officer?

 

[hugo]

So would you apply the same standard to all body fluids? If the person has no infections then blood, urine, spit and even fecal matter are all just a minor concern when tossed at a law enforcement officer if these things are free of infections that could be passed to the officer?

I think I would leave most of these decisions up to the DA to press and a jury to decide. My general guideline is what degree of harm was intended.

 

[timesjoke]

I think I would leave most of these decisions up to the DA to press and a jury to decide. My general guideline is what degree of harm was intended.

Well you were very vocal to exclude breast milk from being harmful as long as there are no infections so I was wondering how you came to that decision? The DA is a politician, and makes decisions based on political correctness and preservation, not on the basis of law. Each of us as members of society have a voice and can vote to remove DA's that are not representing our morals and ideas for that office. To me, body fluid is body fluid and should be handled fairly and equally no matter what type is used to assault the officer.

You say you go by intentions,

The intent was to harm in any way possible, even if the method or tool for the assault seemed silly, is that really an excuse? You of all people should know the dangers of shielding people from the results of their own folly.

 

[hugo]

Unless she has an infectious disease the intention, of spraying someone with a liquid we feed to babies was to annoy. Not deserving of a felony charge. It's a misdemeanor, that is the appropriate punishment for her folly.

 

[eddo]

Unless she has an infectious disease the intention, of spraying someone with a liquid we feed to babies was to annoy. Not deserving of a felony charge. It's a misdemeanor, that is the appropriate punishment for her folly.

what if she ended up having an infectious disease that she didn't know she had?

 

[timesjoke]

Unless she has an infectious disease the intention, of spraying someone with a liquid we feed to babies was to annoy. Not deserving of a felony charge. It's a misdemeanor, that is the appropriate punishment for her folly.

The same exact thing can be said about urine, or fecal matter mixed with urine (a very common thing in prison), or even blood if you know your clean from disease, all of these things would be seen to the attacker as a way of annoying the officer, not killing him. So if your basis of making the decision of simply annoyance is rooted in the ability of the substance used as a weapn is capable of passing disease, then that covers just about anything right?

Surely you do not think urine can kill an officer right? Is it okay to toss that on officers too without penalty?

Body fluids are body fluids, the law should treat all of these fluids the same in my opinion. eddo makes a good point too, how does the person know if their body fluids are infected or not? The type of person who would do something like this most likely has been living an 'interesting' life and I would think a good chance of being exposed to all sorts of diseases.

Why not require all people to keep their body fluids to themselves unless the other party agrees to the exposures? Why not make it clear to all people that if you choose to force your body fluids on another person against their will, that is a serious crime hugo?

Seems to me like you are making excuses to protect people from their own folly any time it involves their being disrespectful or assaulting of police officers hugo, strange how that works.

You mentioned intent earlier hugo.

What if the person 'thought' they were infected but it turned out they were not infected.........would that change the fact that they "wanted" to infect the officer with HIV? If I pull a trigger on a gun trying to kill a person but the bullet does not go off, did that failure to work as intended change my desire to try and kill that person?

 

[snafu]

I wouldn't take her rights to owning a gun away just for spilt milk. I would chalk it up to an assult like spitting. Now if you contract some kind of a dieses that she knew she had then we should up the anti and make it a felony.

 

[emkay64]

I'd go def con 3 if anyone spit on me or threw anything else on me. I'd be one of those officers shown on tape, curb stomping my perp..lol.

 

[timesjoke]

I wouldn't take her rights to owning a gun away just for spilt milk. I would chalk it up to an assult like spitting. Now if you contract some kind of a dieses that she knew she had then we should up the anti and make it a felony.

If someone is so incredibly stupid that they attack an officer with anything including their breast milk (remember she had to spray it out of her breast, not just toss something already in a glass) then I don't know if I want them possessing a firearm.

 

[snafu]

I'd go def con 3 if anyone spit on me or threw anything else on me. I'd be one of those officers shown on tape, curb stomping my perp..lol.

Hay have I told you I love you lately?

 

[eddo]

If someone is so incredibly stupid that they attack an officer with anything including their breast milk (remember she had to spray it out of her breast, not just toss something already in a glass) then I don't know if I want them possessing a firearm.

I agree with this.

 

[hugo]

As usual TJ is trying to put words in peoples mouths. No one says it is OK to **** on an officer; the only debate is should it be a misdemeanor or a felony.

Ok, I have been playing devil's advocate. I actually believe the ***** should have her ******* amputated so she will never be able to commit such a crime again and then given life at hard labor.

Anyone that stupid does not need **** or freedom.

I am actually leaning toward having her flayed alive and then burned at the stake except I know the pansy, soft on crime, liberals will never allow it.

 

[timesjoke]

First you say let her go with a slap on the wrist then you say to come down hard on her, no you spent too much time making up excuses to protect her from her own folly hugo to believe you were just kidding.

Especially considering how you tend to be a little anti-cop in most of your possitions. Cops are not the Government hugo, they are not there to be a punching bag for those who do not like the Government. Law enforcement are here to provide a measure of security and reaction to crime (notice I did not say a prevention of crime because police cannot protect us, they can only react to issues already happening).

 

[hugo]

The fact is we don't have enough money to imprison everyone for 20 years for doing something you don't like, TJ.

 

[timesjoke]

The fact is we don't have enough money to imprison evreyone for 20 years for doing something you don't like, TJ.

Where did I say I wanted her to go to prison? Do you think every or even most people convicted of a felony go to prison? Well that just is not the case, the vast majority of all people who get found guilty or admit guilt for a felony never see the inside of a State prison. Most end up with at most very short local jail time and some probation.

Almost every person in a State prison is there either for one very big crime or lots of small crimes that piled up against the person.

****, 20 years.......you can kill someone and actually do less than 20 years hugo, I don't think you really understand how the legal system works.

Either you believe in protecting people from the results of their own folly or you don't hugo.

 

[emkay64]

Where did I say I wanted her to go to prison? Do you think every or even most people convicted of a felony go to prison? Well that just is not the case, the vast majority of all people who get found guilty or admit guilt for a felony never see the inside of a State prison. Most end up with at most very short local jail time and some probation.

Almost every person in a State prison is there either for one very big crime or lots of small crimes that piled up against the person.

****, 20 years.......you can kill someone and actually do less than 20 years hugo, I don't think you really understand how the legal system works.

Either you believe in protecting people from the results of their own folly or you don't hugo.

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Is "folly" the word of the day?

blah dee dee blah blah blah for length.

 

[timesjoke]

Is "folly" the word of the day?

blah dee dee blah blah blah for length.

No, just playing up on a quote from Herbert Spencer that hugo has in his signature. If hugo really believed in that concept, he should not be trying to shield people from the result of their bad actions. They decided to behave poorly, and should have to face the results of what they have done instead of having people trying to manipulate things so certain kinds of folly are not punnished.