Does it **** you off when people drive and use a cellphone at the same time?

Lethalfind

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http://www.iii.org/media/hottopics/insurance/cellphones/

This was the first article I ran across on this subject

Insurance Information Institute.

"A study released in April 2006 found that almost 80 percent of crashes and 65 percent of near-crashes involved some form of driver inattention within three seconds of the event. The study, The 100-Car Naturalistic Driving Study, conducted by the Virginia Tech Transportation Institute and the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), breaks new ground. (Earlier research found that driver inattention was responsible for 25 to 30 percent of crashes.) The new study found that the most common distraction is the use of cell phones, followed by drowsiness. However, cell-phone use is far less likely to be the cause of a crash or near-miss than other distractions, according to the study. For example, while reaching for a moving object such as a falling cup increased the risk of a crash or near-crash by 9 times, talking or listening on a hand-held cell phone only increased the risk by 1.3 times. The study tracked the behavior of the 241 drivers of 100 vehicles for more than one year. The drivers were involved in 82 crashes, 761 near crashes and 8,295 critical incidents."

These findings confirm an August 2003 report from the AAA Foundation for Traffic Safety that concluded that drivers are far less distracted by their cell phones than by other common activities, such as reaching for items on the seat or glove compartment or talking to passengers. That study was based on the analysis of videotapes from cameras installed in the vehicles of 70 drivers in North Carolina and Pennsylvania.

This article goes on to say that while cell phones are a distraction, they give stats about accidents that were caused by distraction, it doesn't say that hand held cell phones are the leading cause. Dealing with unruly children is higher on the list then cell phones. While I haven't found the information yet about what states laws say what, all the ones mentioned in this article say the ban is on hand held cell phones, NOT on using a cell phone with an earpeice.

http://www.cellular-news.com/car_bans/

This site has a list of countries and the states, it says that 4 out of 50 have bans but does not go into if the states bans their use altogether or just without the use of a headset.

Harvard has even gotten involved

"The study notes that the cost of banning cell phone use while driving is about $700,000 for each quality-adjusted life year saved. That is 30 times more expensive than achieving the same public health benefit with driver airbags, and ten times more expensive than achieving that benefit by keeping the speed limit on interstate highways at 55 instead of 65 MPH."

http://www.hsph.harvard.edu/pdf/cellphones.pdf

 

Lethalfind

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I never said that isn’t why you got it. I said that isn’t what you use it for, and obviously, I’m right.

What did you not understand about…

I thought you didn’t get the cell phone until after that incident.

There seems to be something missing in that sentence. I’m not sure what it is you were trying to say…I don’t think your daughters safety was an issue. The school would not have left her there. Once again, you are over dramatizing.

Do you even read what I write before you respond…

Bull ****. If you didn’t want me to follow your opinion, then you wouldn’t be arguing it. I’m not talking about a personal choice. I am talking about what is and is not safe. It is not about how you choose to live your life; there is the drama queen again. It is about using a phone in the car. Don’t try to turn this into some personal rights speech. I have a personal right to not be run off the road by some idiot on a cell phone.

When did I say that? I said that distraction is no less dangerous when you are experienced that when you are not. I have not seen any kind of evidence to indicate distraction being higher in non-experienced or experienced drivers. I really hate repeating myself…

No. I think you keep trying to diverge from the point of the thread because you have no basis other than ‘I’m a good driver and can multitask.’ Take a look at the poll results. Obviously, I’m not alone in how I feel.

Let me rewind for a minute….

You felt it was a distraction in this post. You say that you can’t talk on the phone when there is a lot of traffic or when you have to be aware of other cars while making turns. My point is that whether you are making turns or not, you should be fully aware of other cars and what is going on around you. If it is distracting in heavy traffic or when making turns it is no less distracting on a straight road with little traffic.
Your funny, I don't expect you too change your ways AND in fact I hope you don't. You don't feel comfortable talking on a cell phone while driving, it would be better if you didn't. Where I think your wrong is your inability to admit that not everyone is wired the same way you are.

As for the incident with the fire and my daughters school, I mispoke. I had the cell phone but was paying attention to my boss and didn't have it on as was their direction at work. After this encounter with my boss's judgement, I decided to leave my cell phone on vibrate ALL the time in spite of the threats of being fired. I was concerned about her being upset and her safety. Ultimately I am responsible for her and I apparently take that responsibility more seriously then you do. We are talking about a school who LOST my daughter one afternoon, they realized that she and a friend (they have a buddy system when they go to the bathroom) had been gone for a long time and they were unable to find them. One would think they would pay more attention to Kindergartners...I haven't had alot of trust for them since then. Another example...when I called the school to find out what was going on before I left work the day of the fire, the person was hysterical shouting over the phone to my request for information, she was literally on the edge of hyperventilating and eventually hung up on me and I was left kind of confused about what was going on. I was not upset at that point because I figured my Mother was over reacting and that I wasn't getting the full story from my boss either who had been the one who spoke with the school when they called. I only found out the complete story when I was in the car (talking on my cell phone to my Mother) and listening to the radio, the news was talking about the incident AND when I got closer I saw the news helicopters hovering which is always an indication that something is going on.

As intelligent as you might be, your not qualified to make such a blanket statement. All I can say is that I feel at ease under SOME circumstances talking on a cell phone. Its presumptious in the extreme for you to think you have the correct answer for everyone. Especially when research by people who are qualified does not back you up. IN MY OPINION, this goes to your NEED to be right.

This is really more about your annoyance at people doing something you feel you can't do safely.

I guess you all better stay off the road here in Florida, I not only have a cell phone and use it in the car, I OFTEN use a remote control to change songs on my stereo...I'm just asking for an accident but I have to find a way to live on the edge...

 

builder

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Research shows;

Driving While on Cell Phone Worse Than Driving While Drunk
And researchers found no difference between hand-held or hands-free models

And just as I suspected;

His team's report appears in the summer issue of the journal Human Factors.

In the study, 40 people followed a pace car along a prescribed course, using a driving simulator. Some people drove while talking on a cell phone, others navigated while drunk (meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent), and others drove with no such distractions or impairments.

"We found an increased accident rate when people were conversing on the cell phone," Drews said. Drivers on cell phones were 5.36 times more likely to get in an accident than non-distracted drivers, the researchers found.

The phone users fared even worse than the inebriated, the Utah team found.
 

snafu

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Research shows;




And just as I suspected;
(meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent)

See this is a stupid study. That's the legal limit for a drunk driver. 0.08 isn't even close to being drunk. That's less than one beer. Drunk driving is more than two in my book. How many people only drink half a beer? Give me a break!

 

builder

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(meaning their blood-alcohol limit matched the legal limit of 0.08 percent)See this is a stupid study. That's the legal limit for a drunk driver. 0.08 isn't even close to being drunk. That's I think less than one beer. Drunk driving is more than two in my book. How many people only drink half a beer? Give me a break!
Did you read it snafu? You're getting more reactionary than LF. It said that phone users had worse results than those with a BAC of 0.08. Now one stubby of full strength beer gets me to 0.02, so that would be four stubbies, or about ten cans of Budweiser.

 

jokersarewild

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Did you read it snafu? You're getting more reactionary than LF. It said that phone users had worse results than those with a BAC of 0.08. Now one stubby of full strength beer gets me to 0.02, so that would be four stubbies, or about ten cans of Budweiser.
Snafu does have a point. That's nowhere near drunk for most people.

You can have a BAC of .08 because that's about the point when you can drive the car without being super impared.

This study is bull because: You can drive fairly unimpared at .08. That's why they let you on the road. Now, if they were plastered, this study would BE SO MUCH DIFFERENT. They are measuring from "legally drunk", which you should know is way different from when a human being actually reaches "drunk".

He said there was a difference between the behaviors of drunk drivers and those who were talking on the phone. Drunk drivers tended to be aggressive, while those talking on the phone were more sluggish, Drews said.
BULLSHIT! Wanna know why drunk drivers tend to walk away from more accidents then their victems do??? It's because they are relaxed and sluggish! Drunk drivers aren't aggressive! Builder, next time actually read over and critically analyze something before you post, don't just post it because it agrees with you.

The phone users fared even worse than the inebriated' date=' the Utah team found. There were three accidents among those talking on cell phones -- all of them involving a rear-ending of the pace car. In contrast, there were no accidents recorded among participants who were drunk, or the sober, cell-phone-free group.[/quote']
First of all, they use "In contrast", which means they're hiding something. Second, I'm not going to believe for one second that drunk drivers don't cause accidents. Oh, wait! .08 BAC is NOT DRUNK FOR A NORMAL HUMAN!!!

Pretty much everything after that is talking about how places have outlawed it, drivers are perceptive, blah blah blah.

Builder, this study proves that people can get money for anything, then fabricate results that don't mean a **** thing.
 

hugo

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The solution is to allow individuals to do whatever they wish while driving...providing they are not driving recklessly/ I saw some gal painting her toenails while driving the other day. Do we need a law against that also?
 

jokersarewild

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The solution is to allow individuals to do whatever they wish while driving...providing they are not driving recklessly/ I saw some gal painting her toenails while driving the other day. Do we need a law against that also?
That ones kinda bad... :(

 

ToriAllen

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Your funny, I don't expect you too change your ways AND in fact I hope you don't. You don't feel comfortable talking on a cell phone while driving, it would be better if you didn't. Where I think your wrong is your inability to admit that not everyone is wired the same way you are.
I don

 

Lethalfind

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While the Utah study was interesting what Builder quoted was very one sided. There is alot more information out there. From what I read in the Harvard study (I would trust the Harvard people alot quicker then I would the people from Utah) its far from a clear cut issue.

I think its interesting that only 4 out of 50 states agree with you Tori.

 

builder

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What Tori touched lighty upon, is the real point of my posting that link. Drunk or not, the people that dismally failed this test were sober phone drivers.

You want to multitask on the road, effectively endangering people you don't even know, then you are as probably percussive on society as a very drunk driver.

The test pilots on the booze, as you so vehemently decry, weren't drunk at all. Yet the sober phone users tested as being more at risk of having an accident.

Get it now you slow fucktards. ????

 

ToriAllen

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I think its interesting that only 4 out of 50 states agree with you Tori.
It is a fairly new issue. The states and areas with the largest population will address it first. It isn't that only four of fifty agree, because I'm sure there are still legislators that have not put the issue to a public vote yet. Then you have to ask about which states have put the issue to a vote and how the vote was split. What were the percentages? Therefore, with so little information, I do not find it all that interesting. However, I do realize there are people who are not interested in the whole story. I think we call them Democrats.

 

ToriAllen

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From what I read in the Harvard study (I would trust the Harvard people alot quicker then I would the people from Utah) its far from a clear cut issue.
As for trusting one set of researchers over another simply because of the college they are associated with...All of our medical advancements and scientific advancements did not come from Ivy League schools alone. Other colleges are just as equipped to do research as the Ivy League. If I read the article correctly, Harvard did not even do an experiment of their own, they did a 'risk assessment' based on studies that other people at other colleges did. According to your logic, their study is flawed because it is based on the studies and experiments of others (perhaps even some people from Utah).

 

jokersarewild

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What Tori touched lighty upon, is the real point of my posting that link. Drunk or not, the people that dismally failed this test were sober phone drivers.
You want to multitask on the road, effectively endangering people you don't even know, then you are as probably percussive on society as a very drunk driver.

The test pilots on the booze, as you so vehemently decry, weren't drunk at all. Yet the sober phone users tested as being more at risk of having an accident.

Get it now you slow fucktards. ????
After looking around at various variations of this story, I found this user comment:

Overall, traffic fatalities have decreased over the last two years, due to several things - decrease in driving, decrease in driving on secondary roads as our population becomes less rural and more urban, crash engineering, highway engineering and improved trauma care.
Drunk driving enforcement has increased steadily, resulting in more arrests, fewer drunk drivers on the road and, thus, fewer accidents.

Most cell phone accident are low speed, intersection accidents, which do not result in fatalities. Generally, most accidents are intersection accidents that occur at speeds below the maximum freeway speeds in their respective jurisdictions.

Finally, generalized statistics that horrendous claims - such as the number of people who are killed while driving and talking at the same time are extrapolations and impossibly large. In the Utah study, they considered very few people. So, it really has only anecdotal importance, except to someone with an agenda - "proving" that driving while talking on your cell phone leads to a lot of fatalities.

Figures don't lie, liars figure...
Oh, then I Googled the Cell Phone Death Statistics, and found this story: http://www.livescience.com/technology/050201_cell_danger.html

If you read it, it makes some odd claims. But the funny part: 20 yr. old drivers are not a good measure of driving safely, because they have a need for speed and like doing crazy ****. And I seriously doubt that talking to a passenger makes you more impared then if you are over .08 BAC, but that's just my take.

Now we have to talk about the other side of this: http://www.madd.org/stats/10212

What I find funny is that in about 75% of the drunk driving fatalities, the drivers were over the limit. Which would mean, in fact, the study builder quoted, was wrong. Even if you don't count the statistics where the drivers were over .08 BAC, drunk drivers still killed almost 1.5 times the amount of drivers talking on their cell phones.

Don't you find that odd if you're so right, builder?

 

ToriAllen

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After looking around at various variations of this story, I found this user comment:


Oh, then I Googled the Cell Phone Death Statistics, and found this story: http://www.livescience.com/technology/050201_cell_danger.html

If you read it, it makes some odd claims. But the funny part: 20 yr. old drivers are not a good measure of driving safely, because they have a need for speed and like doing crazy ****. And I seriously doubt that talking to a passenger makes you more impared then if you are over .08 BAC, but that's just my take.

Now we have to talk about the other side of this: http://www.madd.org/stats/10212

What I find funny is that in about 75% of the drunk driving fatalities, the drivers were over the limit. Which would mean, in fact, the study builder quoted, was wrong. Even if you don't count the statistics where the drivers were over .08 BAC, drunk drivers still killed almost 1.5 times the amount of drivers talking on their cell phones.

Don't you find that odd if you're so right, builder?
All that research would mean something if the study Builder quoted dealt with fatalities. The study was talking about the likelihood of getting in an accident, not cause a dead in that accident. Hmm, would I rather get in a low speed intersection accident or not get in an accident at all. Again, we are not arguing the fact that there are other distractions or that other things cause accidents. I have said that cell phones are distracting and increase the risk of getting in an accident, and so far every study or quote, even those that are being used by opposition, have agreed with that. Cell phone use in the car is an unnecessary risk.

 

snafu

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You seen to be missing the point of the article. These people were on the line between sober and drunk. You can get taking in for .08 at the discretion of the policeman, if he feels you can’t drive at that level of intoxication. Not quite as alert as sober, but not too impaired to drive. Since the point of the study is driving, they can’t really have people who are completely plastered participate. The mental image of that is hilarious. Cars driving in circles, or going the wrong way, or just sitting passed out behind the wheel. Even if everyone in the study was sober, cell phone use still caused more accidents, but these people weren’t completely sober either.

Even the articles by people who support cell phone use state that they are a distraction and increase the risk of accidents.
I was about to debate this but I did some research. I thought 0.08 was about a half of a beer. Not even close to being drunk.

According to this:

http://www.beertown.org/education/calc/bac/bac.aspx

I can hammer down 4 Alaskan Winter Ambers (6.2%) http://www.realbeer.com/edu/health/calories.php

in one hour and be under the leagal limit. Something doesn’t sound right. But after four of those in one hour I think I would be impaired. I will concede.

 

jokersarewild

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All that research would mean something if the study Builder quoted dealt with fatalities. The study was talking about the likelihood of getting in an accident, not cause a dead in that accident. Hmm, would I rather get in a low speed intersection accident or not get in an accident at all. Again, we are not arguing the fact that there are other distractions or that other things cause accidents. I have said that cell phones are distracting and increase the risk of getting in an accident, and so far every study or quote, even those that are being used by opposition, have agreed with that. Cell phone use in the car is an unnecessary risk.
I will conceed that using a cell phone in a car is an unnecessary risk.

708,000 persons are injured in alcohol related crashes(each year)
http://www.duipictures.com/statisti.htm

(Speaking of safety, I believe it was/is builder who lets his nieces ride around in his Jeep(?), in the front, with the airbags on...which, we conclusively proved, was not safe. Then builder threatened to punch me in the face...)

 

ToriAllen

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In addition to these factors, there is also the question of tolerance. Some people can down a case of Coors and be just fine whereas some people are drunk as a skunk after two 12oz cans of beer. When I used to drink socially I would useless get very buzzed around the forth can...and totally drunk after the sixth can. My best friend can do two sixpacks and barely develop a buzz.
My in-laws are functional Alcoholics, I think that is type A. Anyway, they drink beer as if it were coke, tea, or water. I'm not sure I have ever seen them without a beer in their hands. They have built up a tolerance for it, but that doesn't mean the alcohol doesn't show. I would say it is more of a permanent drunk state that they have adjusted to. I still wouldn

 
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