Does the Koran teach this to kids?

[builder]

You don't look remotely like any of The Bangles.

Wish it was Sunday, cause that's my funday, just another manic Monday.

 

[Gallytuck]

Sure I can....because Canada once had a P.M. who was less intelligent the rock. How do I know this? I know this because he failed to prevent millions of fanatical islamics immigrate and gain Canadian citizenship.

The people of Canada voted his ass out of office and elected somebody else. The new PM is 10000000000000000000000000% anti-fanatical Islam.

Soon....all of your cousins who are hiding in Canada will find their asses deported back to Pakistan.

LEARN TO DEAL WITH IT.......

As far as ownage goes....my dogs own3d yer mom last night....which reminds me.... my dog wants his money from your mom.

Tell the bitch to pay up!

I doubt we've ever had a leader as dense as your current president. And we've had some bad ones.

Where do you get your Canadian news? Our politicians rarely do anything they say they'll get around to doing.

Our voting system doesn't work quite like yours does. We don't vote for who we want as Prime Minister directly, but rather we vote for the candidate respresenting his or her party in our ridings. So if we want to have Joe Douchebag, who is the national leader of the Sheeple Party, as our Prime Minister, we would vote for Cherry Pawper, who is the Sheeple Party's local candidate for my riding.

That having been explained, our last Prime Minister wasn't voted out strictly for personal ****-ups, but rather he was voted out because people were sick of his party being in power.

 

[Gallytuck]

Wish it was Sunday, cause that's my funday, just another manic Monday.

And here I was worried nobody would get it.

 

[Joe87]

Insofar I believe this thread has gone all over the place, good arguments / points raised that are easily over shadowed by the cat fight of lethal / manic.

I really hate it when perfectly intelligent people (especially women) start attacking one another from apperance to sex life.

As to the issue of Canadian immigration. I being a Canadian myself can tell you I don't believe Harper wasn't voted in (minority government) due to the issue of terrorist immigrants, rather corruption of liberals, and their overall badly planned campaign. Harper ran a good campaign I must admit.

I would like to pose the question though, I realize immigration laws are a little lax, but I would ask how would we reform them. Would you have us examine their religion, race, idelolgy, etc... Leading to a witch hunt with bad results.

As for myself I have a middle eastern background (Iraq specifically), also I am law abiding, and there are many middle eastern people who are law abiding as well, vast majority in fact. And we have generally been successful in this western society, so to begin racial and religous profiling would be a crime. Perhaps instead of persecuting a whole race of people, we can examine our foriegn policy, lead to the why and the how to change...

It's like WWII, the Germans weren't evil people, the result of extermism came with the horrendous treatment post WWI, battered economy, repirations, and general exploitation of the victorious allies.

I believe a proactive policy would be much more effective then a reactive one, as we see the cost of war is amazing, but social reform is beneficial and humane...

 

[TerroristHater]

I doubt we've ever had a leader as dense as your current president. And we've had some bad ones.

Where do you get your Canadian news? Our politicians rarely do anything they say they'll get around to doing.

Our voting system doesn't work quite like yours does. We don't vote for who we want as Prime Minister directly, but rather we vote for the candidate respresenting his or her party in our ridings. So if we want to have Joe Douchebag, who is the national leader of the Sheeple Party, as our Prime Minister, we would vote for Cherry Pawper, who is the Sheeple Party's local candidate for my riding.

That having been explained, our last Prime Minister wasn't voted out strictly for personal ****-ups, but rather he was voted out because people were sick of his party being in power.

Oh shut up, Gallytuck. He was removed by a vote of no confidence. He was a memeber the party that allowed excessive arab imigration. Now Canada is overrun by terrorists.

As a result of his stupidity, the USA is now forced to require passports for people traveling to and from Canada.

I am no fan of George Bush; however, Bush was intelligent enough to restrict travel too and from his country. ---- Your former PM wasn't that bright.

 

[Gallytuck]

As scary as that is ... there may yet some truth to it.

However, the Israelies never attacked the palestinians until the palestinians began attacking them first.

I think the Palestinians need to stop being lame terrorist ****sticks.

The palestinians are governed by a terrorist cell for pete sake.

They were probably too busy killing Brits to have time to fight the Palestinians.

 

[Gallytuck]

Oh shut up, Gallytuck. He was removed by a vote of no confidence. He was a memeber the party that allowed excessive arab imigration. Now Canada is overrun by terrorists.

As a result of his stupidity, the USA is now forced to require passports for people traveling to and from Canada.

I am no fan of George Bush; however, Bush was intelligent enough to restrict travel too and from his country. ---- Your former PM wasn't that bright.

The Liberals had their arses handed to them more for the sponsorship scandal than anything else. Arab immigration really wasn't much of a topic here.

And holy ****ing ****, I can't even go to the ATM without passing at least a dozen terrorists. They're everywhere!!! Don't be ****ing idiot. I'm more worried about the packs of roving blex than I am about any sand******.

No, the USA is pushing the passports to create more paranoia for people just like little ol' you. Your way of thinking is since the government is imposing those types of restrictions then there must be some reason for it.

Your reasoning makes you sound like a christian. Instead of looking at the major, founding reasons for why you have to watch your major tourist attractions and skylines in case some of them terrorists decide to make another move(assuming the CNN version of things) you find pinning some petty blame a lot more effective than finding a remedy for the underlying facts. Chicken before the egg?

I'd like to see how you're going to pin it on Canada when you have to start showing your new ID card to cross state borders.

 

[Joe87]

Oh shut up, Gallytuck. He was removed by a vote of no confidence. He was a memeber the party that allowed excessive arab imigration. Now Canada is overrun by terrorists.

As a result of his stupidity, the USA is now forced to require passports for people traveling to and from Canada.

I am no fan of George Bush; however, Bush was intelligent enough to restrict travel too and from his country. ---- Your former PM wasn't that bright.

Typical American arrogance. Its easy to blame Canada rather then looking at what was the onset of terrorism in the first place. I suppose Arabs are just evil poeple who hate freedom, and kill eagles daily while defecating on bibles. Canadian access made it easy for revenege!

Perhaps if you were able to think about anything more complicated then conservative rhetoric you would see your error.

 

[Hamza123]

Oh shut up, Gallytuck. He was removed by a vote of no confidence. He was a memeber the party that allowed excessive arab imigration. Now Canada is overrun by terrorists.

LOL!!! THE CONSERVATIVE PARTY HAS MORE MIDDLE EASTERN AND SOUTH ASIAN IMMIGRANTS IN IT'S CAUCUS THAN ANY OTHER PARTY!!

Vote of non-confidence? No my friend, people just wanted to see a new government. Like gally said, the Sponsorship Scandal ****ed the Liberals over. The Liberals have had powers for tens of years, and now it's the other party's turn. But their only a minority government, meaning they have a shortleash in what they can do.

Immigration hadn't changed at all... No immigration bill was passed? So you're comments on that prove pointless. And people at airports and stationary foreign affairs had, and still have their jobs.

Canada is a more multi-cultural country, more so that American, get over it. We still even have less immigrant lash-back than any other country that accepts immigrants on a high quota.

I am no fan of George Bush; however, Bush was intelligent enough to restrict travel too and from his country. ---- Your former PM wasn't that bright.

THATS EXACTLY WHY OUR COUNTRY IS GOING INTO MAY-DAY BECAUSE OF ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION - NOT!



****, all you conservatives can only see within your own shell, and it makes you blind as hell. You can't even reason with your own people. You may not see it now, in the short run, but it's gonna **** you over hard sooner or later.

 

[hugo]

****, all you conservatives can only see within your own shell, and it makes you blind as hell. You can't even reason with your own people. You may not see it now, in the short run, but it's gonna **** you over hard sooner or later.

TH is not a conservative. He is just a moron. To actually adapt a political ideology takes some measure of intelligence. Not much if it is the modern liberal (socialist) agenda, a bit though.

 

[hugo]

Typical American arrogance. Its easy to blame Canada rather then looking at what was the onset of terrorism in the first place. I suppose Arabs are just evil poeple who hate freedom, and kill eagles daily while defecating on bibles. Canadian access made it easy for revenege!

Perhaps if you were able to think about anything more complicated then conservative rhetoric you would see your error.

You show your biases. Conservatives are quite divided when it comes to immigration. Many pro-business conservatives welcome an increase in the labor supply. Similarly many liberal organizations fear massive immigration lowers the price of labor. Immigration is not a conservative/ liberal issue.I have seen arrogance from people of a lot of nations on internet forums. TH ain't a conservative. He is just a ****in' loon. Got diagnosed with ADHD, in the old days, before PC, he would have just been diagnosed as stupid.

 

[Joe87]

You show your biases. Conservatives are quite divided when it comes to immigration. Many pro-business conservatives welcome an increase in the labor supply. Similarly many liberal organizations fear massive immigration lowers the price of labor. Immigration is not a conservative/ liberal issue.I have seen arrogance from people of a lot of nations on internet forums. TH ain't a conservative. He is just a ****in' loon. Got diagnosed with ADHD, in the old days, before PC, he would have just been diagnosed as stupid.

I believe most of the debate lies with mexico, illegal immigration / cheap labour. As far as arab immigration goes, it is exceptionally tough to get accepted as a landed immigrant coming from an arab nation. While not admitted there is obvious racial profiling going on. I can't tell you how often I get stopped for "random checks" while in the US, border crossing is a big prooblem as well... The utter phobia of arabs is profound, what do you expect after 5 years of fear mongoring, hell a Dubai company couldn't make an investment in America without a huge riot, which caused them to back out.

So the question isn't so much the immigration itself, but what liberties and freedoms should be granted to law abiding arab citizens / immigrants.

 

[hugo]

I believe most of the debate lies with mexico, illegal immigration / cheap labour. As far as arab immigration goes, it is exceptionally tough to get accepted as a landed immigrant coming from an arab nation. While not admitted there is obvious racial profiling going on. I can't tell you how often I get stopped for "random checks" while in the US, border crossing is a big prooblem as well... The utter phobia of arabs is profound, what do you expect after 5 years of fear mongoring, hell a Dubai company couldn't make an investment in America without a huge riot, which caused them to back out.

So the question isn't so much the immigration itself, but what liberties and freedoms should be granted to law abiding arab citizens / immigrants.

Arab-Americans should have the same rights as any other citizen. This does not mean racial profiling is not sometimes a useful tool. If a serial murderer is raping and killing caucasion women a white male is the most probable perpetrator. I believe the history of the last 30 years is that arabs (though not neccesarily arab-americans) are more likely to hijack planes.Hispanic and Black Americans may be more likely to sell drugs. Asian-Americans are more likely to subject the rest of us to lousy singing during karaoke.

what do you expect after 5 years of fear mongoring

We could ask what do you expect after 9/11. There is certainly rational reasons to believe that Al-Queda will attack again and a good probability the attackers will be arabs.

hell a Dubai company couldn't make an investment in America without a huge riot

That was ridiculously stupid. Once again, bipartisan insanity.

 

[Joe87]

Arab-Americans should have the same rights as any other citizen. This does not mean racial profiling is not sometimes a useful tool. If a serial murderer is raping and killing caucasion women a white male is the most probable perpetrator. I believe the history of the last 30 years is that arabs (though not neccesarily arab-americans) are more likely to hijack planes.Hispanic and Black Americans may be more likely to sell drugs. Asian-Americans are more likely to subject the rest of us to lousy singing during karaoke.



We could ask what do you expect after 9/11. There is certainly rational reasons to believe that Al-Queda will attack again and a good probability the attackers will be arabs.

Insofar Arab-Americans have been painted with the same brush as Al Queda members. Afterall they are Americans too, and after 9/11 I believe 99% of them thought that was a terrible to do. The Qu'ran teaches peace and love for your fellow man, Innocent killings is strictly prohibited. What one must realize is that the the moves of terrorists are much more based on geo-political climate rather than race / religion, while massively off base but well presented interpretation of the Qu'ran present justification, I believe only strict followers of Al Queda would adhere (Generally disadvantaged young males).

 

[hugo]

Yes, and 99.99% of white Americans are not serial killers. Yet the standard profile of a serial killer is a white male. The fact is we are currently at war with a group that consists primarily of Arabs. The fact that 99 out of 100 don't want to kill you still leaves 1 who does. The motive, geo-political or religious, does not matter innocent Arabs must expect to pay a small price (emphasis on small) for the actions of their fellow Arabs. This is not unusual, all black Americans pay a price for the fact that their fellow blacks commit more crimes than the general populace. We had a liberal President who interned Japanese-Americans. We've come a long way since then. In certain situations extra scrutiny of an Arab is justified.

 

[Joe87]

Yes, and 99.99% of white Americans are not serial killers. Yet the standard profile of a serial killer is a white male. The fact is we are currently at war with a group that consists primarily of Arabs. The fact that 99 out of 100 don't want to kill you still leaves 1 who does. The motive, geo-political or religious, does not matter innocent Arabs must expect to pay a small price (emphasis on small) for the actions of their fellow Arabs. This is not unusual, all black Americans pay a price for the fact that their fellow blacks commit more crimes than the general populace. We had a liberal President who interned Japanese-Americans. We've come a long way since then. In certain situations extra scrutiny of an Arab is justified.

The point I really am trying to get across is that this aproach to security as well as justice system really doesn't accomplish anything. America probably has toughest laws in the western world, highest jailed population percentage (10 times higher percent than Canada), yet 2 times higher crime rate. The simple reasoning for your justice system, is jail the criminals and you have law abiding citizens left.

So whats the problem? Do you have a birth defect? No i really think the problem is that you fail to adress the social issues that contribute to the onset of crime.

Let me speak first of domestic problem. America has a huge gap between rich and poor for a western society, social system is collapsing, medical system is a joke if you can't afford it, minimum wage full time is under the poverty line.

Essentially opportunities in the inner cities are highly limited, so crime is often the solution. Perhaps with a better social security system, jobs training for at risk youth, job programs for inner cities etc... Would reduce crime significantly. But the system is narrow... You see criminals people who are "evil", best be removed. Are they born this way? No...

So why are blacks / hispanics more prone to drug dealings, simply lack of other opportunites, bad neighbourhoods that are stigmatized.

Now international. I have to say American foriegn policy is atrocious, You are trying to be the policemen of the world (well if it effects you). In the past you've installed puppet regimes, organized / began wars between 2 or more other nations and generally exploited every non western country economically. And you wonder why every one hates America.

Trying to install democracy in high conflict / economically battered places isn't going to do anything, look at Africa. Take your oil, I hope the blood on your hands is worth it.

 

[hugo]

The point I really am trying to get across is that this aproach to security as well as justice system really doesn't accomplish anything. America probably has toughest laws in the western world, highest jailed population percentage (10 times higher percent than Canada), yet 2 times higher crime rate. The simple reasoning for your justice system, is jail the criminals and you have law abiding citizens left.

So whats the problem? Do you have a birth defect? No i really think the problem is that you fail to adress the social issues that contribute to the onset of crime.

Let me speak first of domestic problem. America has a huge gap between rich and poor for a western society, social system is collapsing, medical system is a joke if you can't afford it, minimum wage full time is under the poverty line.

Essentially opportunities in the inner cities are highly limited, so crime is often the solution. Perhaps with a better social security system, jobs training for at risk youth, job programs for inner cities etc... Would reduce crime significantly. But the system is narrow... You see criminals people who are "evil", best be removed. Are they born this way? No...

So why are blacks / hispanics more prone to drug dealings, simply lack of other opportunites, bad neighbourhoods that are stigmatized.

Now international. I have to say American foriegn policy is atrocious, You are trying to be the policemen of the world (well if it effects you). In the past you've installed puppet regimes, organized / began wars between 2 or more other nations and generally exploited every non western country economically. And you wonder why every one hates America.

Trying to install democracy in high conflict / economically battered places isn't going to do anything, look at Africa. Take your oil, I hope the blood on your hands is worth it.

Where did all this insanity come from?

Crime: What we need to decriminilize drugs and eliminate welfare. Welfare simply propagates poverty and crime. Strange, when I hire people I hire them from all sections of the city. Complete your high school education and get some technical training or college education (plenty of loans and grants available). It is hilarious how hispanics and blacks tend to suffer poverty while immigrants who come to America with nothing succeed. The problem is the welfare culyure. We don't need to expand the safety net ...we need to eliminate it. Stop paying people to have kids out of wedlock. When you compare black and white children from two parent homes their poverty and crime rate is about the same. It is big government that destroyed the black family.

Once you eliminate welfare you can open the borders up to immigration.

As far as our foreign policy is concerned it has been atrocious. We should stick with liberalized trade to influence the world. The American consumer has done for China what the American military could not have done; destroyed communism. I suggest you google Pat Buchanan republic not an empire speech for a rational American foreign policy.

 

[Joe87]

Where did all this insanity come from?

Crime: What we need to decriminilize drugs and eliminate welfare. Welfare simply propagates poverty and crime. Strange, when I hire people I hire them from all sections of the city. Complete your high school education and get some technical training or college education (plenty of loans and grants available). It is hilarious how hispanics and blacks tend to suffer poverty while immigrants who come to America with nothing succeed. The problem is the welfare culyure. We don't need to expand the safety net ...we need to eliminate it. Stop paying people to have kids out of wedlock. When you compare black and white children from two parent homes their poverty and crime rate is about the same. It is big government that destroyed the black family.

Once you eliminate welfare you can open the borders up to immigration.

As far as our foreign policy is concerned it has been atrocious. We should stick with liberalized trade to influence the world. The American consumer has done for China what the American military could not have done; destroyed communism. I suggest you google Pat Buchanan republic not an empire speech for a rational American foreign policy.

Strange, in every case where welfare is expanded e.g. Europe, Canada crime is lower... You can't exactly get welfare committing crimes, the majority of welfare collects are single mothers who work part time, yet they are treated as second class citizens.

You really have a false sterotype here on welfare collectors, It is rather difficult to obtain support, and people perfer to work due to stigma and invasivness attached with welfare. Having poor mothers unable to provide a decent life for their children leads to crimes. It is well known education in inner cities is of a poorer quality, as well the attitude of the poor towards education is bad, cyclical function difficult to get out of.

Decriminlization of drugs won't decrease crime it will increase it, perhaps legalization will decrease it, decriminzation basically means you can have a certain amount on you without being charged, so while still illegal to supply, it is legal to consume, more customers still illegal suppliers... You know what happens when demand goes up, price goes up, allure of illegal sellings of drugs goes up, doesn't help the economy one bit. Legalization is what I hope you meant. What decriminzation does do is lessen the strain on the legal system, so as not to be tied up with many posession crimes.

 

[Joe87]

Oh also I believe I can explain why immigrants do better then lets say poor blacks. Basically the way immigration is set up that the only immigrants who really get it are highly educated, urbanized, and some times already wealthy immigrants. Also as a group first enters a country they form a self reliant niche with one another e.g. chinese restaurant / dry cleaners, as they move up socio-economic status they move on to real estate etc... With going to business with one another they help each other out, the black community is far too large to use this type of method. Look at the way things were set up as well, a culture of slavery (and obviously impoverished), versus highly educated tightly nit group of immigrants. It's all very interesting I suggest you take a sociology course or 2.

 

[hugo]

Legalization is politically impossible at this time. I would prefer legalization but it is not possible. Decriminization would stop convictions being on the records of incividuals. Criminal convictions make getting a decent job much more difficult. Decriminization is the neccesary first step in the political system. Sorry, Candide, that is life.

You are the one with the wrong view of welfare bums. People are on welfare because they are too lazy to work or the income from their job (such as prostitution and drug dealing) is not reported. Welfare encourages illegal black market activity and out of wedlock births. All lead to a higher crime rate.