Fight! Fight! Fight!

[Ahhlee]

Now there was very good comeback, lol. So are you now saying Bender did admit Republicans did offer ideas? That every time IWS posted them Bender admitted he was wrong and Republicans were trying to offer new ideas?
You know **** well that Bender always ignored the many attempts IWS made, I also called Bender out on specific things that Bender refused to answer but that just shows how people like us who actually post facts and links are trying to have an open debate while people like Bender call us racists and use distraction and ignoring questions do dodge the questions and points.

Rephrased....still bullsh!t.

At least your consistent, lol.

I've always been.

And was it not me who made a post about perceptions and how they can transform reality to the person?

Huh? I don't recall it, but I'm sure somehow you managed to be super awesome and save the day in your version of the story.

Did I take your attacks on me and Tami as personal attacks? Yes, but the point was why you had to make them in the first place?

You've made them, too.

No not bullsh!t, I have not put any strings on you, your not my puppet, your responsible for your own behaviors Ali, you can't blame me for your actions. If what I say is really so off the mark you could just ignore it as crazy the way I have decided to do with Wez, but if you instead find yourself getting angry and needing to "rip me apart" then that is all on your shoulders Ali, not mine.

Hmmmm.....yeah. Still bullsh!t.

In many ways I see you the way I see Obama. I do not hate Obama, but I do not like some of his policies and actions. I do not hate you Ali but I do not like your need to "get ******" when people do not agree with you.
Remember when you said you were ripping MrsK apart because of how she treated you in the past? You needed revenge, you saw a chance for revenge, and you took it without considering if it was right or wrong, you just did it to feed your anger. You do the same to me sometimes and for the same reasons of revenge seeking.

Your perception.

I keep saying I would love a real debate with you or anyone else with the rule that you can't turn to personal attacks.......you up for that Ali? Do you have the ability to do that?
Structured debates are actually pretty easy, we can pick a topic and both take two turns at offering our views one after the other and we let the audience decide how we did. "Winning" for you would be easy because there is not one person here who would vote for me against you no matter how well I did but to me the debate is the fun part, I do not need anyone else to agree with me or like what I say for me to enjoy the experience.

The best debates are when two people really do believe in the opposite sides but I can offer a reasonable arguement for both sides of any debate topic if that is what someone would like to do.

So let's do it. Pick a referee you would be satisfied with in being completely fair and impartial. But if you are going to preclude that you are a doomed victim from the start because ""Winning" for you (Ali) would be easy because there is not one person here who would vote for me against you no matter how well I did" then I'm not going to bother. I have no desire to listen to you whine about it.

If you honestly feel there is someone at this site capable of being a reliable referee, and will accept their decision on the matter as just, then I will do it.

Get to pickin'.

 

[RegisteredAndEducated]

I'm a lover not a fighter

If your talking about a physical battle me and IWS might be the closest good fight, he is a cop and has some training and should be tough on a mental level because of the job but I actually teach DT and I would end up winning by superior fighting knowledge/skill.

I don't see anyone else standing a chance against either one of us on a physical level.

In a verbal battle that had to stay away from personal attacks that would put IWS, Snaff, old salt, and myself at the top with RO if he could resist the urge to play attack dog, I have noticed when he is in that mode he stops thinking.

emkay is pretty smart but I don't see her as wanting to really put in the energy to have a real debate, not that she was unable, just that she would not find it fun.

Hack, Ali, eddo, Chi, Bender, Merc, and several others are all very smart but tend to restrict their comments to purely politically correct lines or in the case of eddo, he will simply agree with Ali, lol.

In all honesty, I would love to see a pure debate on this forum, to date I have never seen one that has not ended up with people flaming the posters and completely ignoring the topic or the facts offered, lol.

I don't believe you know enough about my physical or mental status to judge as to whether I would be able to "take you" in a fight. I've got youth and experience on my side.

 

[timesjoke]

Rephrased....still bullsh!t.

Already handled, all of them

So let's do it. Pick a referee you would be satisfied with in being completely fair and impartial. But if you are going to preclude that you are a doomed victim from the start because ""Winning" for you (Ali) would be easy because there is not one person here who would vote for me against you no matter how well I did" then I'm not going to bother. I have no desire to listen to you whine about it.

If you honestly feel there is someone at this site capable of being a reliable referee, and will accept their decision on the matter as just, then I will do it.

Get to pickin'.

Again your missing the point, the debate for me is pleasurable, not winning. You can be called the winner and I will still be happy. We don't even have to have a judge, just the agreement to have a pure debate would be perfectly awsome to me.

As far as being impartial, it would have to be someone who has never jumped on your bandwagon and unfortunately that leaves out most of the forum. The only person I can say has never been involved in the ********* on me and is also active is Snaff.

But as I have already said, a pure debate is reward enough for me.

Too bad we can't do it live, my strongest suit is my general knowledge at my fingertips on most subjects, doing a debate cold without knowing the subject ahead of time and no time for research is very fun for me. Did you ever move further south or are you still stuck in winterland?

Cold=bad

Hey we could debate the pros and cons of living in the north, lol. Your in the North so you can take the pro and I being in Florida can take the cons, lol. Switching might be interesting but I am not sure how well I can defend the North being as much as I hate it

So debate for the heck of it? Nothing like setting a new standard of interaction for trying to mend fences, at least in my opinion that is.

 

[snafu]

I'm a lover not a fighter

....

I think that's what Michael Jackson said to Paul MCartney

 

[timesjoke]

I don't believe you know enough about my physical or mental status to judge as to whether I would be able to "take you" in a fight. I've got youth and experience on my side.

I have enough experience in real fighting, not sport fighting, to at least know that nobody can beat me easily. I was attacked by four men with the intent to beat me to death one time and lived to tell about it, but one of them did not. To me every fight is win or die, I teach people to put all they have into the fight because in a real fight, they will be dead if they can't fight off their attacker.

 

[emkay64]

I once killed a man...just to watch him bleed his own blood.

 

[eddo]

I once killed a man...just to watch him bleed his own blood.

I once killed a man I had just given a blood transfusion too...

just to watch him bleed my blood...

 

[emkay64]

I once killed a man I had just given a blood transfusion too...


just to watch him bleed my blood...

Woah!!! You're super bad!

 

[wez]

I once killed a man without a shred of emotion.. did CPR.. then killed him again.. just because I'm 100% bad..

eddo.. 99% .. I win.. yay me!

 

[wez]

I have enough experience in real fighting, not sport fighting, to at least know that nobody can beat me easily. I was attacked by four men with the intent to beat me to death one time and lived to tell about it, but one of them did not. To me every fight is win or die, I teach people to put all they have into the fight because in a real fight, they will be dead if they can't fight off their attacker.

Hey Batman.. if 4 men attacked you with the intent of beating you to death.. why did the other 3 live?

and.. who are these people you teach the fine art of kill or be killed in every real fight to?

Run and hide in the shadows with your bat..

 

[Ahhlee]

Again your missing the point, the debate for me is pleasurable, not winning. You can be called the winner and I will still be happy. We don't even have to have a judge, just the agreement to have a pure debate would be perfectly awsome to me.

As far as being impartial, it would have to be someone who has never jumped on your bandwagon and unfortunately that leaves out most of the forum. The only person I can say has never been involved in the ********* on me and is also active is Snaff.

But as I have already said, a pure debate is reward enough for me.

Too bad we can't do it live, my strongest suit is my general knowledge at my fingertips on most subjects, doing a debate cold without knowing the subject ahead of time and no time for research is very fun for me. Did you ever move further south or are you still stuck in winterland?

Cold=bad

Hey we could debate the pros and cons of living in the north, lol. Your in the North so you can take the pro and I being in Florida can take the cons, lol. Switching might be interesting but I am not sure how well I can defend the North being as much as I hate it

So debate for the heck of it? Nothing like setting a new standard of interaction for trying to mend fences, at least in my opinion that is.

Northern living vs. southern living is fine with me. Snaf as a debate ref is also fine with me. ****, I would trust anyone here to be impartial enough to perform such a task but if you want snaf to do it I am totally on board and will respect his ruling.

Snaf...are you willing?

I have enough experience in real fighting, not sport fighting, to at least know that nobody can beat me easily. I was attacked by four men with the intent to beat me to death one time and lived to tell about it, but one of them did not. To me every fight is win or die, I teach people to put all they have into the fight because in a real fight, they will be dead if they can't fight off their attacker.

Someone else here knows that concept all too well, too.

Just sayin'.

 

[wez]

They want to preach from their soapbox and if you dare to question them they either ignore the questions or pretend the point you made is beneath them to answer.

Errrrrrr.. they? You mean you?

It's sad.. so sad.. it's a sad sad situation.. and it's getting more and more absurd ~ Elton John

 

 

Some bullsh!t can be fun

You wouldn't know fun if it motorboated you on the ***.. you'd claim it was attacking you and trying to beat you to death and kill it..

run and hide.. tough guy..

 

[timesjoke]

Northern living vs. southern living is fine with me. Snaf as a debate ref is also fine with me. ****, I would trust anyone here to be impartial enough to perform such a task but if you want snaf to do it I am totally on board and will respect his ruling.

Snaf...are you willing?

You can have eddo if you want, it is the journey, not the destination that makes life great. Is this the source of our problems? You always see things as winning or losing?

Someone else here knows that concept all too well, too.

Just sayin'.

Never said there was not, I explained my possition on that. I am confident in my abilities and have been tested in a real life/death situation where I came out alive, to me that is all the tempering I need to show I can take care of myself.

There is always someone bigger and stronger, but the question is are they willing to die to face me? Someone who is at my level would never start that fight. "I" would never start that fight, but there is a big difference between starting a fight and finishing it.

 

[Ahhlee]

You can have eddo if you want, it is the journey, not the destination that makes life great. Is this the source of our problems? You always see things as winning or losing?

Sure, TJ. The source of OUR problems is me.

It has nothing whatsoever to do with you.

I'll be happy to take 50% of the blame the day you can buck up and take the other 50%.

Other than that, I'm not in the mood for this today.

Later.

 

[timesjoke]

Sure, TJ. The source of OUR problems is me.
It has nothing whatsoever to do with you.

I'll be happy to take 50% of the blame the day you can buck up and take the other 50%.

Other than that, I'm not in the mood for this today.

Later.

Out of every single exchange we have had, I have "NEVER" instigated a personal attack Ali. Now I will admit to tossing a few slams back at you once you started it and that would be my part in keeping the flames fanned but if you had never started it, there would be nothing to fan.

Consider me a mirror, what you show me I give back, but then again, I have never attacked your loved ones while you have attacked mine so even as a response, there are lows you have traveled I will never stoop down to Ali.

My point in this is maybe your need to start flames might be because you see yourself as losing the arguement so you want to "win" in any way you can think of so you turn to personal attacks instead, if you can't "win" in one way, you will win in another. I could be wrong as well, I was just making an observation at your constant concern about who would "win" in a debate with me, I don't care who wins, I just like to debate.

Journey, not destination.

 

[snafu]

Sorry guys but I wouldn't feel right getting in the middle of any dispute. I would say we might try a poll but I would think the odds would be stacked against TJ. If you guys did start a debate and everybody throws in their two cents I would call out any bias attacks if that would help.

 

[eddo]

Out of every single exchange we have had, I have "NEVER" instigated a personal attack Ali. Now I will admit to tossing a few slams back at you once you started it and that would be my part in keeping the flames fanned but if you had never started it, there would be nothing to fan.

Does putting "never" in quotes mean that you understand how full of **** you are when you say that?

 

[timesjoke]

Sorry guys but I wouldn't feel right getting in the middle of any dispute. I would say we might try a poll but I would think the odds would be stacked against TJ. If you guys did start a debate and everybody throws in their two cents I would call out any bias attacks if that would help.

And I would hate to put you into that spot but unfortunately your about the only person here who has not attacked me and Tami out of anger, even emkay has jumped on the bandwagon a couple time (but not as bad as most of the other regulars).

That said I would still gladly have any debate under the no personal flames rule, it would be the first time I have debated with Ali that she has not called me and Tami nasty names......even if everyone on the forum voted her as winning I would still feel a great deal of satisfaction from that.

And speaking about the flame trend, here shows eddo to "save" Ali from her current dilema:

Does putting "never" in quotes mean that you understand how full of **** you are when you say that?

Why is it you two are always running interference for each other? When one is floundering the other tries to come to the rescue. Here you again turn to personal attacks calling me full of **** when you know I have told the truth. Chi should be showing up soon to join in if the usual gameplan has been put into play.

Even in the MrsK thing you both admitted there was no reason to tear her apart on the subject being discussed but you still felt justified because of how you both were wronged by MrsK in the past. You two are always comming up with excuses to treat people like garbage and I wonder why?

Why do you work so hard to find these excuses?

If you spent the same energy only looking for the good in people don't you think things would be a lot nicer?

Do you consider yourself so low that you have to try and elevate yourself by bringing down other people?

 

[ImWithStupid]

Good ***! I'm gone for one day and look at what happens.

You're right TJ it sure would be nice to see a real debate. It also sucks when people don't stay on topic.

You know like when someone goes on an "Off Topic" thread the is obviously designed to be humorous and takes it seriously on who could "beat up" who.

Who can beat up who? Are you serious? How old are you again?

In your defense I did notice that it wasn't until eddo's post #12 on page 2, that anyone used the "TJ humor/sarcasm disclaimer". So it's not completely on you that you were confused on the intent of the thread.

 

[timesjoke]

Well as usual you jump on the bandwagon Joe, you did it at the Jungle all the time too.

The tread was fight, fight, fight, not debate, debate, debate.

You will also see mentions of blood if I were to be matched to Ali and she saying she would have to be smuggled to Mexico. Sure sounds like an altercation in a physical way to me long before my first post, but of course admitting that would not let you join in on the usual ******** now would it?

Everything you guys do is 100% justified because in your minds, I do not deserve fair treatment.