Five Years After September Eleven

[hugo]

Israel is not the reason Muslims are killing themselves and others in The Phillipines, Sudan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Netherlands, France, etc., etc. Nor was it the primary motivation for 9/11.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

I bet you do... What are you fighting for? Money? Those "terrorists" in Iraq don't get paid. And you wonder why they would retaliate. Is it so incomprehendable that the **** you're doing in that country is wrong?

Then go over they and show your disgust.

Theres no money like blood money right? Maybe you should take that to the grave with you. Than I can cash my check. Not for money either.

You **** mouth is writing checks your body can't cash.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Dying in "senseless ******* jihad" is a day when my home is invaded by unwanted ******* and/or my family is hurt by these people. I may be young, but I find a lot of adults are more naive than I am. Maybe you'd better check yourself and see whose actually on your side... Anyway, wouldn't you say it's quite similar to the oh so brave soldiers in Iraq? Quite patriotic?

Death comes to us all, Hamsalad. Whether we want it or not, but it is up to us to decide how we want to ******* go. Don't be so ready to deal out death and justice on things your naive, young frothy mind does not yet comprehend.
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[Jhony5]

Posted by hamza:

The fact is, America is a prodominently Christian/Jewish supportive society. Obviously, an "outsider" like a Muslim is not as welcome to the USA as much as a Jew or a Christian would be.

Heres where Hamza is indisputably correct. Our culture reeks with a dominant Christian/Jewish oder. Many people don't notice the prevalence of these two religions in our country, but I do, as I despise any religion. So when I'm listening to the radio and a commercial for the "church of Christ" is forced into my ear, I take notice. It always strikes me as offensive when I hear or see religious advertising. Why? Because its always either Christian/Catholic/Jewish. Would it be acceptable for Satanist or Wickan religions to do this public advertising in our country? Probably not.

All this talk between the two religious sides just reinforces my opinion that ALL RELIGION DOES IS SEPARATE. Period. Thats all it ever did for mankind, and thats all it ever will. Whats more is, religion will kill us all eventually. Even those of us like myself, who want nothing to do with the gang mentality that religion creates.

 

[angie]

Posted by hamza:

Heres where Hamza is indisputably correct. Our culture reeks with a dominant Christian/Jewish oder. Many people don't notice the prevalence of these two religions in our country, but I do, as I despise any religion. So when I'm listening to the radio and a commercial for the "church of Christ" is forced into my ear, I take notice. It always strikes me as offensive when I hear or see religious advertising. Why? Because its always either Christian/Catholic/Jewish.

I know. They keep leaving leaflets on my doorstep and knocking on my door inviting me to church. If I wanted to go, I'd go. Leave me the **** alone.

Would it be acceptable for Satanist or Wickan religions to do this public advertising in our country? Probably not.

Nope. Especially since The U.S. Department of Veterans Affairs refuses to acknowledge Wicca as a religion and won't allow the wife of Sgt. Patrick Steward to put a pentacle on his headstone (he was a practicing Wiccan and died in Afghanistan when his helicopter was shot down) though they do recognize and allow Satanists and Atheists to have a symbol of their faith (what that atheist **** is about I don't know. I wouldn't know what symbol they would use)

All this talk between the two religious sides just reinforces my opinion that ALL RELIGION DOES IS SEPARATE. Period. Thats all it ever did for mankind, and thats all it ever will. Whats more is, religion will kill us all eventually. Even those of us like myself, who want nothing to do with the gang mentality that religion creates.

Unfortunately, this is too true. Religion should unite, not seperate. But everyone is 'right' and the rest are 'wrong'.

 

[Lethalfind]

I agree with you both. I cringe when I have to hear things about religion. Last Christmas when I drove to Dallas from Orlando, I was taken aback when I saw all the churches in the South, I had forgotten. You couldn't swing a cat without hitting one. I felt closed in by it.

Luckily I don't often get them coming here in my neighborhood.

Talk of religion makes me feel as if someone is trying to trap me, control me and brain wash me.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Unfortunately, this is too true. Religion should unite, not seperate. But everyone is 'right' and the rest are 'wrong'.

No. Religions should not unite at all. Mankind should unite and put an end to the strife, an end to the greed, and an end to the power-dons that head the Judeo, Christian, and Islamic factions.

Man was born free and should stay free of such encumbering thoughts.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

I agree with you both. I cringe when I have to hear things about religion. Last Christmas when I drove to Dallas from Orlando, I was taken aback when I saw all the churches in the South, I had forgotten. You couldn't swing a cat without hitting one. I felt closed in by it.
Luckily I don't often get them coming here in my neighborhood.

Talk of religion makes me feel as if someone is trying to trap me, control me and brain wash me.

Try being an atheist in the Southeastern United States and still retain humble, common sense type values. Folk here believe that the Bible created the laws of mankind.

 

[hugo]

The one thing worse than religion is secular humanism. Secular humanists have, by and large, exchanged worshipping *** in favor of worshipping the state. Religious leaders serve as a balance of power against political leaders. This is why tolitarian governments either attack religion (i.e. Stalin, Mao) or utilize it (i.e. Islamic leaders, popes between the 4th and 18th centuries).

 

[RoyalOrleans]

The one thing worse than religion is secular humanism. Secular humanists have, by and large, exchanged worshipping *** in favor of worshipping the state.

Even worse than that are reformed smokers. *******... I quit and feel better for it, but I'm not some anti-tobacco fascist.

 

[Hamza123]

Posted by hamza:

Heres where Hamza is indisputably correct. Our culture reeks with a dominant Christian/Jewish oder. Many people don't notice the prevalence of these two religions in our country, but I do, as I despise any religion. So when I'm listening to the radio and a commercial for the "church of Christ" is forced into my ear, I take notice. It always strikes me as offensive when I hear or see religious advertising. Why? Because its always either Christian/Catholic/Jewish. Would it be acceptable for Satanist or Wickan religions to do this public advertising in our country? Probably not.

Clearly you haven't seen the affects of the gulf war and 9/11 on Muslims in America. Acting like they have to apologize for something they had nothing to do with. Thats pathetic.

 

[Hamza123]

Then go over they and show your disgust.

And for what? Who ever said going over "they" would be so providing.

You **** mouth is writing checks your body can't cash.

A check for what? A check to free Muslims from the opressive forces in the Middle East? I can't cash it but together my Brothers and Sisters will.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

A check for what? A check to free Muslims from the opressive forces in the Middle East? I can't cash it but together my Brothers and Sisters will.

Well pump up the volume.

 

[Hamza123]

Death comes to us all, Hamsalad. Whether we want it or not, but it is up to us to decide how we want to ******* go.

You have control over how you go 99% of the time. From what you eat, to how you decide you cross the street.

Don't be so ready to deal out death and justice

What the ****? There is a difference between a senseless death and a death that just happened. Hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq don't JUST happen.

on things your naive, young frothy mind does not yet comprehend.

Oh, I have heard this argument before... Call me young and naive. Don't go after the source or it's credibility, but go after the arguments.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

You have control over how you go 99% of the time. From what you eat, to how you decide you cross the street.

Echo? Is there an echo in here?

What the ****? There is a difference between a senseless death and a death that just happened. Hundreds of thousands of deaths in Iraq don't JUST happen.

What are you driving at, Hammy? That those who deserve death still live and those that deserve life are dead?

Oh, I have heard this argument before... Call me young and naive. Don't go after the source or it's credibility, but go after the arguments.

I was making a derogatory comment in the hopes of inciting an argument.

 

[Hamza123]

What are you driving at, Hammy? That those who deserve death still live and those that deserve life are dead?

No, I am saying that death around the world has been so easily preventable yet people don't give a **** because the loss of care for each other is well. Just a loss. But a grave one at that.

I was making a derogatory comment in the hopes of inciting an argument.

No surprise there.

 

[hugo]

No, I am saying that death around the world has been so easily preventable yet people don't give a **** because the loss of care for each other is well. Just a loss. But a grave one at that.

Death ain't preventable. It can only be accellerated or postponed.

 

[Hamza123]

Death ain't preventable. It can only be accellerated or postponed.

The death and carnage in Iraq was preventable. Lets face it, if the Bush Administration did not go to war, we wouldn't have nearly 3,000 dead troops, and hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. For what? Revenge on 9/11? What did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? We have heard what the senate said about Iraq. Now tell me. What kind of death was not preventable here?

Bush stepped into this war willingly which is a sign of weakness and deceit. There could have been alternative solutions.

 

[hugo]

The death and carnage in Iraq was preventable. Lets face it, if the Bush Administration did not go to war, we wouldn't have nearly 3,000 dead troops, and hundreds of thousands of dead civilians. For what? Revenge on 9/11? What did Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? We have heard what the senate said about Iraq. Now tell me. What kind of death was not preventable here?
Bush stepped into this war willingly which is a sign of weakness and deceit. There could have been alternative solutions.

Everybody dies sooner or later. As Keynes stated "In the long run we are all dead." Revenge for 9/11 has never been a justification for the war. The little Shiite girls were glad to see the rape rooms closed.

 

[Lethalfind]

I don't believe it was necessary to go to Iraq...however I have a question. IF Osama was found to be in Afghanistan and the Armed Forces went there the Muslims would be ******* and moaning about that as well...Am I wrong??

If what I have read it too be believed, we deserve what we got on 911 because we have supported Israel. So as far as Muslims are concerned that point should not be that we have no right to be in Iraq, it should be that we deserve what we got.