Five Years After September Eleven

Hamza123

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Attacking innocent American people is the worst thing you can do to try to persuade people to realise Israel's attrocities. Especially when you kill people.

Speaking out against Israeli attrocities committed by Israelis and funded by some US Governing Officials is how to do it.

 

RoyalOrleans

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Attacking innocent American people is the worst thing you can do to try to persuade people to realise Israel's attrocities. Especially when you kill people.
Speaking out against Israeli attrocities committed by Israelis and funded by some US Governing Officials is how to do it.
And what chapter of the Quran is this die-a-tribe found?

 

Hamza123

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And what chapter of the Quran is this die-a-tribe found?
Read for yourself dip-****...

Fight in the cause of *** those who fight you, but do not transgress limits; for *** loveth not transgressors. (The Noble Quran, 2:190)"
"*** does not forbid you from showing kindness and dealing justly with those who have not fought you about religion and have not driven you out of your homes. *** loves just dealers. (The Noble Quran, 60:8)"

"And fight them until persecution is no more, and religion is for ***. But if they desist, then let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"
People in Iraq have a hard time finding the US coalition friends or foe... You can see, that if there was no such persecution going on against Iraqis in Iraq right now than the US soldiers would not be/have been harmed.

"...let there be no hostility except against wrongdoers. (The Noble Quran 2:193)"

 

Hamza123

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I forgot...

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" 


"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"


 


Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."


 


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Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For *** is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."


 


Let us look at Noble Verse 2:224 "And make not ***'s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for *** is One Who heareth and knoweth all things."


 


I'd say, this Noble Verse clearly proves my point: Let us look at Noble Verse 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in ***: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace.


 


Case ******* closed.

 

Hamza123

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As thick as thieves.
So what? Take persecution like a ***** ***?

**** no buddy. Muslims fight; back.

And the rules for fighting back are even soft.

The fact that there was a war in Afghanistan and now one in Iraq is something supported by people, but those same people think that when a Muslim says they must defend themselves they are called terrorists. It's that sweet old double standard.

 

Hamza123

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You probobly didn't read this...

I forgot...

"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):......(The Noble Quran, 18:29)" 


"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"


 


Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."


 


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Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For *** is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."


 


Let us look at Noble Verse 2:224 "And make not ***'s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for *** is One Who heareth and knoweth all things."


 


I'd say, this Noble Verse clearly proves my point: Let us look at Noble Verse 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in ***: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace.


 





Case ******* closed.
 

Jhony5

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So what? Take persecution like a ***** ***?
**** no buddy. Muslims fight; back.

And the rules for fighting back are even soft.
The problem with you Muslims is...its always something. Persecution is seen as so many different things. If its not our support of Israel, its just something else. The timeless warfare in the Muslim world is proof enough that Islam loves death.

...and please stop quoting the Quran, its pointless gibberish and I could do without it. Since you sandies can't seem to agree about the translation of verses, then the quoting of such text is mute.

 

Hamza123

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The problem with you Muslims is...
Okay, stop right there. The fact is, you are so obsessed with pinning problems to Muslims. That is your problem.

Persecution is seen as so many different things.
Muslims are brought together as Brothers and Sisters so when we see our Brothers and Sisters in Palestine killed, that is our reason to fight persecution and use it as a reason and claim it validly. We feel a personal connection to millions of other Muslims.

If its not our support of Israel, its just something else.
Last time I checked this whole bullshit started because of supporting Israel and most of it still is. Or shall we call that little "something else" the Iraq War? The Gulf War? The Recent Massacres in Lebanon? The Palestinian Issue?

The timeless warfare in the Muslim world is proof enough that Islam loves death.
Well! WHAT OTHER ******* WESTERN NATION HAS ITS TAGS THERE TOO?!?!

...and please stop quoting the Quran, its pointless gibberish
Quite idiotic. You call Islam violent but I quote the Quran and it says otherwise. Therefore you can't stand the fact that it's right. Period.

Since you sandies can't seem to agree about the translation of verses, then the quoting of such text is mute.
Derogitory terms. How peaceful of you.

The English translations will NEVER be like the Arabic Translations however they are substantial enough for any kind of argument in a debate.

 

RoyalOrleans

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"Say, 'The truth is from your Lord': Let him who will believe, and let him who will, reject (it):(The Noble Quran, 18:29)"
And the parts you left out can best be summed up here:

Allah has prepared a Fire for the disbelievers. When they want a shower, Allah will give them a shower of molten lead to burn their faces? Religion of peace, my white ***.

"Say : O ye that reject Faith! I worship not that which ye worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. And I will not worship that which ye have been wont to worship, Nor will ye worship that which I worship. To you be your Way, and to me mine. (The Noble Quran, 109:1-6)"
Thank you very much. Kind of contradictory to the above quote from the Quran? In that one is allowed to believe what they want to believe as long as they are prepared to take a shower of molten lead.

Let us look at Noble Verse 45:14 "Tell those who believe, to forgive those who do not look forward to the days of Allah: It is for Him to recompense (for good or ill) each people according to what they have earned."
This is only recompense for verses 45:7 - 11 in which Allah is wrathful and wishes to unleash painful doom on nonbelievers.

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:182 "But if anyone fears partiality or wrong-doing on the part of the testator, and makes peace between (The parties concerned), there is no wrong in him: For *** is Oft-forgiving, Most Merciful."
Is Allah kind and merciful? According to the previous scriptures you have posted, he is not at all merciful and kind to only those He deems worthy.

Allah and Jesus would not have been best buds in high school.

Let us look at Noble Verse 2:224 "And make not ***'s (name) an excuse in your oaths against doing good, or acting rightly, or making peace between persons; for *** is One Who heareth and knoweth all things."
As long as you, ignorant plebian, surrender all freedom and personal rights to march in His righteous army.

I'd say, this Noble Verse clearly proves my point: Let us look at Noble Verse 8:61 "But if the enemy incline towards peace, do thou (also) incline towards peace, and trust in ***: for He is One that heareth and knoweth (all things)." In this Noble Verse, we clearly see Allah Almighty ordering us, the Muslims, to incline toward peace when the enemy inclines toward peace. This proves that Islam is not a religion for wars, but for peace.
This is just recompense to 8:59 and 60 where it says in summation, "Don't let the disbelievers think they can escape. They are your enemy and the enemy of Allah. ".

 

Jhony5

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Posted by hamza123

Muslims are brought together as Brothers and Sisters so when we see our Brothers and Sisters in Palestine killed, that is our reason to fight persecution and use it as a reason and claim it validly. We feel a personal connection to millions of other Muslims.
Oh ya, in Iraq the Muslim community has come together real well. Sectarian violence between Muslims only serves to fill the void when there aren't enough Americans and Jews to kill.

Last time I checked this whole bullshit started because of supporting Israel and most of it still is
No, it started when the fool Mohammad wrote the Quran, which states inarguably that all non-believers or 'infidels', are in direct alignment with Satan and must be destroyed.

Quite idiotic. You call Islam violent but I quote the Quran and it says otherwise. Therefore you can't stand the fact that it's right. Period.
How's about you stop being so selective when you quote the Quran? Include the parts that dictate death to all non-believers.

 

Lethalfind

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I would rather die then become part of a religion like that. HOWEVER I will take a few of them with me if they push it too that.
 

snafu

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Israel is not the reason Muslims are killing themselves and others in The Phillipines, Sudan, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, the Netherlands, France, etc., etc. Nor was it the primary motivation for 9/11.
This is exactly right! Lets put all the bullshit in one pile and call it what it is! One big dump on humanity!

 

Jhony5

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This is exactly right! Lets put all the bullshit in one pile and call it what it is! One big dump on humanity!
Our resident Muslims display the popular attitude within the Islamic community. Trying to prove the peaceful nature of Islam, while in the same breath providing "good" reasons for the unabashed violence of terrorism.

"Most Muslims do not support terrorism, BUT terrorism is Americas fault because...blah blah blah".

Hamza, you can't denounce radical Islam, and the ensuing terrorism. Then provide us with reasons why its "our fault". There is no excuse for killing thousands of innocent people, many thousands of miles outside of the nearest war zone. Some of the "reasons" for Islamic terror does have merit. But there are other more civilized ways of bringing these issues to a front. No one will listen to your disposition, if you force them to, via fear and death.

In the past you have quoted the many forms of Jihad. Jihad by the pen, instead of the sword. Where is this peaceful manifestation of Jihad? The only talking I hear coming from the Jihadist, is when they rally to chant "death to the Jews, death to the Americans".

The Muslim world seems to often tell the western world what they are doing wrong, while one look at the Muslim world shows disproportionate poverty and political turmoil. To take the words of advice from the Muslim world to heart, would be akin to taking financial advice from a homeless ***.

 

RoyalOrleans

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Every Muslim, from the moment they realize the distinction in their hearts, hates Americans, hates Jews and hates Christians. For as long as I can remember, I have felt tormented and at war, and have felt hatred and animosity for Americans. -As quoted in Messages to the World: The Statements of Osama bin Laden by Bruce Lawrence

The pieces of the bodies of infidels were flying like dust particles. If you would have seen it with your own eyes, you would have been very pleased, and your heart would have been filled with joy.

-About the 17 sailors who died in the suicide bombing of the USS Cole off the coast of Yemen, on a video made at the wedding of his son in southern Kandahar

The ruling to kill the Americans and their allies
 

smutt butt

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So what? Take persecution like a ***** ***?
**** no buddy. Muslims fight; back.

And the rules for fighting back are even soft.

The fact that there was a war in Afghanistan and now one in Iraq is something supported by people, but those same people think that when a Muslim says they must defend themselves they are called terrorists. It's that sweet old double standard.
Why do muslims stink? I was a part time instructor at a truck driving school for a couple of years and before 9-11-01 there were always a few muslims in the school. Every one of them smelled so bad that i refused to get into a truck with them. It smelled like they had never taken a shower and they did not wear deodarant. After 9-11 they all disappeared. I worked there for a year after 9-11 and not one more middle eastern came thru the school.... Hmmmmm.

 

RoyalOrleans

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Why do Muslims stink?

So the blind can hate them, too.

Uh-rah!

Hamsalad where the **** is your response to this tsunami of bashing?

 
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