FOUNDATION OF CHRISTIANITY

"Chris Morris" <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> "Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>>
>> I only called you a liar for lying. Your lies have been pointed out
>> repeatedly, yet you persist with them.
>
> You make claims that I am lying about you yet you do not provide anything
> of substance to back these claims. Saying someone is a liar is not the
> same as showing it to be true.
>
>> And instead of even trying not to do it again, you resort to more
>> personal nastiness.
>
> My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and
> ignorant attacks.
As you can see from this exchange they got you where they want you, ..in
the arena of personal recriminations and AWAY from mentioning the name above
all names, Jesus the Christ, our most holy and glorious Lord and Saviour.
I would suggest, you keep mentioning Jesus till they join you in praise
and worship or go ballistic and implode.



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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 25 Feb 2007 17:17:05 -0500, "Chris Morris"
> <Draccus@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>>My nastiness is in fact directly proportional to your unwarranted and
>>ignorant attacks.
>
> What "unwarranted and ignorant attacks, liar?
> Stop stupidly and rudely begging the question to people you know don't
> share your beliefs. And there won't be demands that you put up or shut
> up.
> And shut up when you can't put up, instead of lying about those to
> whom you have begged the question.
> This has been pointed out so many times you're no longer funny.
> And you still keep doing it, pretending that it's not lying about us
> to our faces.
> And stop arrogantly rudely and repeatedly telling atheists what it
> means to be atheist, especially after you have been corrected.
> Which is also arrogantly, rudely, nastily lying about us to our`
> faces.
> And all because you have neither the common sense nor courtesy to keep
> your beliefs where they are appropriate.
>
ROFL Found yourself another one to boss around, hey Christopher?
...."stop" this and "stop" that and STOP everything indeed!!!!!.
Read up on the free speech provisions in the constitution and get used
to it. If you need help to heal your apoplectic fits, ask Jesus, for He is
the supreme physician.
Btw a.a. is not the save haven for disbelievers you want it to be, but
the place to talk ABOUT atheism.



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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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>
> You knew you were cross-posting to an atheist audience. And you didn't
> care that we don't believe what you do. So by golly you were going to
> talk about it as though it were universally granted.
>
Christ IS "universally" applicable. There is no culture unfamiliar with
love and it's life-giving properties, and Jesus is the chief advocate of
love, for everyone of His commandments contains that word. His life and
death emphasises love as being the single most important motivator for good
known to man.
And let's face it, the loveless life isn't a life worth living. See
below

Pastor Frank

CHRIST'S COMMANDMENTS ALL EXHORT US TO LOVE
Jesus in Jn:13:34: A new commandment I give unto you, That ye love one
another; as I have loved you, that ye also love one another.
Jesus in Jn:13:35: By this shall all men know that ye are my disciples,
if ye have love one to another.
Jesus in Jn:15:12-13: This is my commandment: That ye love one another,
as I have loved you. Greater love hath no man than this, that a man lay down
his life for his friends.
Jesus in John 14:15 "If you love me, you will obey what I command..."
Jesus in John 14:21-24 "Whoever has my commands and obeys them, he is
the one who loves me. He who loves me will be loved by my Father, and I too
will love him and show myself to him. He who does not love me will not obey
my teaching.
These words you hear are not my own; they belong to the Father who sent
me."
Jesus in Mt:7:21-23: Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall
enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father
which is in heaven. Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not
prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy
name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never
knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.
1 Corinthians 13:4-8 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it
does not boast, it is not proud. It is not rude, it is not self-seeking, it
is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. Love does not delight
in evil but rejoices with the truth. It always protects, always trusts,
always hopes, always perseveres. Love never fails.
1 John 4:7-13 (KJV) "Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of
God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that
loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. In this was manifested the
love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into
the world, that we might live through him. Herein is love, not that we
loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for
our sins. Beloved, if God so loved us, we ought also to love one another.
No man hath seen God at any time. If we love one another, God dwelleth
in us, and his love is perfected in us. Hereby know we that we dwell in
him, and he in us, because he hath given us of his Spirit."
1Jn:4:8: He that loveth not, knoweth not God; for GOD IS LOVE.
1Jn:4:16: And we have known and believed the love that God hath to us.
GOD IS LOVE; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him.




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On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 08:28:51 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> Christ IS "universally" applicable. There is no culture unfamiliar with
>love and it's life-giving properties,

What "life-giving properties", Frank?

>and Jesus is the chief advocate of
>love, for everyone of His commandments contains that word.

LUK 19:27 But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign
over them, bring hither, and slay them before me.

That one doesn't.


>His life and
>death emphasises love as being the single most important motivator for good
>known to man.

I see. He loved stealing donkeys, and cursing trees.




> And let's face it, the loveless life isn't a life worth living.


I am sure that you are more familiar with that, than we.
 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:46:28 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> I would suggest, you keep mentioning Jesus till they join you in praise
>and worship or go ballistic and implode.

Or kill file him, because he ain't funny any more.
 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:37:04 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

> Quote the evidence Chris,

The way you do, Frank?
 
On Wed, 28 Feb 2007 06:33:31 +0800, "Pastor Frank"
<PF@christfirst.edu> wrote:

>The official atheist agenda is to promote freedom FROM religion,

A half truth; I'll bet that set your teeth on edge.


>where expressing any kind of belief is against the law.

And a total lie.
 
Your first mistake is thinking the bible or scripture is
the Foundation of christianity.
The Foundation is "Historic Christianity" and as much of scripture
that agrees with Historic Chistianity.
This is from constantine onword, and the Few philosophers that, they
could find that agreed with, the doctorines that they desired to
preach.
CHRISTIANITY is NOT based upon the Bible.
 
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.

Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles.
-
Gordie

'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross
that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together
in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory.
However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by
proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since
Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that
he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and,
after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet
ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise
was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.'
http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp
 
From The Nolalu Barn Owl:

> Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles.

Not even that, really. Personally, I know a fair number of Protestants for
whom the Bible is secondary to God - valuable metaphor and guidance, but
still secondary. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect of a Christian,
but it doesn't seem to be a common attitude round here.
 
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl
<&#103&#111&#114&#100&#105&#101&#64&#110&#111&#108&#97&#108&#117&#46&#111&#110&#46&#99&#97>
claimed:


>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.
>
>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles.

Correction -- Christians base their faith in Christ.
And they believe that the Bible is the word of God.


--

It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
through their doctrines and their doctrines become
absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
out that the words they claim, are not found in the
Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
don't have the special understanding that is required
to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
today, can we understand these special keys and have
placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
clearly stated that they were the ones who were
given the key to understanding the mysteries and
were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
these people would have us believe that they were
liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
draw, when they claim that it is only today that
we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
wrote, but really had no clue what they were
talking about. This happens because so many
believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
 
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl
<&#103&#111&#114&#100&#105&#101&#64&#110&#111&#108&#97&#108&#117&#46&#111&#110&#46&#99&#97>
claimed:


>'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross
> that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together
> in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory.
> However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by
> proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since
> Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that
> he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and,
> after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet
> ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise
> was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.'
>http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp

What it proves, is a state other than Heaven,
which is not purgatory, since Jesus called it,
"paradise" and that description certainly does
not fit Purgatory!


--

It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
through their doctrines and their doctrines become
absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
out that the words they claim, are not found in the
Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
don't have the special understanding that is required
to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
today, can we understand these special keys and have
placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
clearly stated that they were the ones who were
given the key to understanding the mysteries and
were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
these people would have us believe that they were
liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
draw, when they claim that it is only today that
we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
wrote, but really had no clue what they were
talking about. This happens because so many
believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
 
On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M"
<wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:


>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500,
>The Nolalu Barn Owl claimed:
>
>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.
>
>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their
>faith on the Bibles.

Thank you for admitting that you trust your Pope
over the word of God. This is especially funny,
considering that Popes are said to be "infallible
in matters of faith and morals" (when speaking
"ex cathedra") and yet, have contradicted each
other more than once.

Oh, hey, but don't worry, when that happens,
they just call the earlier Pope an "anti-Pope".

Now of course, this begs the question...

"What about all those people who followed that
previous Popes' instructions regarding that matter
of faith and morals?"

Oh, but don't worry, they're safe, because God
doesn't hold it against them, right? After all,
they did it in ignorance, right?

This also is especially funny, since that isn't a valid
excuse, since God says, "Hey, dudes, ya had the Bible
and all you had to do, was crack it open, instead of
following some guy in a funny hat and treating him
like he's me!". <chuckle>

And what's even funnier, is that throughout that entire
reign of that "anti-Pope", Roman Catholics were telling
those darn Protestants how wrong they were.

Whoops! <chuckle>

But hey RCC'ers, don't worry, you'll get your turn,
because hey, the Pope you worship now, just may
turn out to be an anti-Pope, since at some point,
some Pope will disagree with him and call him an
"anti-Pope"!

I do have a question though... Since the Catholics
say that a Pope can live a disgustingly immoral life
and still be speaking infallibly when "ex cathedra"
("in the chair of Peter"), how is it that he could ever
be called "anti-Pope"?

As I said, a Pope can live an extremely vulgar and
disgustingly immoral life and still be infallible in
matters of faith and morals, so how could he ever
be wrong, so that someone could call him "anti-Pope"?

Huh?!? What?!?

And before you respond, do yourself a favor and
don't try to bullsh t your way through! I was born
and raised a Roman Catholic and spent years studying
the religion in depth. What I stated is fact!

So you guys go ahead and worship the Pope, while
claiming not to and yet, one must kneel before him
and kiss his ring and treat him like royalty. This is
something Jesus never asked for and is a 180 degree
turn from what Jesus preached, even while washing
the feet of His disciples!

And why does the Pope desire that people do this
sort of thing, while kneeling before him, when
Peter, the guy you falsely claim was your first Pope
(and no, I won't allow you to ignore this whole post
and try to argue that point instead), rejected the idea
of men kneeling before him and certainly he would
have been far more qualified than anyone else you
can name, aside from Christ Himself!

"And as Peter was coming in, Cornelius met him,
and fell down at his feet, and worshipped him.
But Peter took him up, saying, Stand up; I myself
also am a man." - Acts 10:25-26

But you go ahead and try to twist that around! :)


--

It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
through their doctrines and their doctrines become
absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
out that the words they claim, are not found in the
Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
don't have the special understanding that is required
to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
today, can we understand these special keys and have
placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
clearly stated that they were the ones who were
given the key to understanding the mysteries and
were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
these people would have us believe that they were
liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
draw, when they claim that it is only today that
we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
wrote, but really had no clue what they were
talking about. This happens because so many
believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
 
Correction: My response should have been direct at
"The Nolalu Barn Owl". My apologies, "Bill M".


--

It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
through their doctrines and their doctrines become
absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
out that the words they claim, are not found in the
Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
don't have the special understanding that is required
to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
today, can we understand these special keys and have
placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
clearly stated that they were the ones who were
given the key to understanding the mysteries and
were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
these people would have us believe that they were
liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
draw, when they claim that it is only today that
we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
wrote, but really had no clue what they were
talking about. This happens because so many
believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
 
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M"
> <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
Christian Hate Speech snipped.

Do you still believe in the Trinity? Do you only use the books of the Bible
in the present form? Do you celebrate Easter and Christmas? These were all
decided by the Catholic Church. Are you a Jew or a Gentile? Jesus told his
followers to preach only to the Jews.
 
On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 20:43:07 -0800,
in article <hoafu2l71f8fn397lg5061otv1cc5c9d2h@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:

>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl
><&#103&#111&#114&#100&#105&#101&#64&#110&#111&#108&#97&#108&#117&#46&#111&#110&#46&#99&#97>
>claimed:
>
>
>>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.
>>
>>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles.
>
>Correction -- Christians base their faith in Christ.
>And they believe that the Bible is the word of God.

Correction: Faith cometh by hearing, and hearing by the word
of God (Rom. 10:17).

No unregenerate person has saving faith in the first place. It
has to be given to them, and that comes by hearing the gospel
proclaimed.

--
Christ died for our sins, and God raised Him from the dead.
Rely on this work alone to escape hell and receive eternal
life (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess. 1:8-9).
 
Vigyazat wrote:

> From The Nolalu Barn Owl:
>
>
>>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their faith on the Bibles.
>
>
> Not even that, really. Personally, I know a fair number of Protestants for
> whom the Bible is secondary to God - valuable metaphor and guidance, but
> still secondary. Which, to be honest, is what I'd expect of a Christian,
> but it doesn't seem to be a common attitude round here.

===>Hol van "here"??? -- L.
 
Pastor Dave wrote:

> On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500, The Nolalu Barn Owl
> <&#103&#111&#114&#100&#105&#101&#64&#110&#111&#108&#97&#108&#117&#46&#111&#110&#46&#99&#97>
> claimed:
>
>
>
>>'Sometimes Protestants object that Jesus told the thief on the cross
>>that, on the very day the two of them died, they would be together
>>in paradise (Luke 23:43), which they read as a denial of purgatory.
>> However, the argument backfires and actually supports purgatory by
>>proving the existence of a state other than heaven and hell, since
>>Jesus did not go to heaven on the day he died. Peter tells us that
>>he "went and preached to the spirits in prison" (1 Peter 3:19), and,
>>after his resurrection, Christ himself declared: "I have not yet
>>ascended to the Father" (John 20:17). Thus at that time paradise
>>was located in some other state besides heaven and besides hell.'
>>http://www.catholic.com/library/Purgatory.asp
>
>
> What it proves, is a state other than Heaven,
> which is not purgatory, since Jesus called it,
> "paradise" and that description certainly does
> not fit Purgatory!

===>Of course not.
It comes from Persian ZOROASTRIANISM, as does most
of the Christian religion. -- L.
 
Pastor Dave wrote:

> On Mon, 19 Feb 2007 15:26:16 -0500, "Bill M"
> <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>>On Thu, 01 Mar 2007 18:23:52 -0500,
>>The Nolalu Barn Owl claimed:
>>
>>
>>>Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.
>>
>>Correction -- Protestants supposedly base their
>>faith on the Bibles.
>
>
> Thank you for admitting that you trust your Pope
> over the word of God. This is especially funny,
> considering that Popes are said to be "infallible
> in matters of faith and morals" (when speaking
> "ex cathedra") and yet, have contradicted each
> other more than once.

===>If he were "infallible", he would declare that it is a LIE
to call the Bible the "Word of God".

He knows better, anyway, even if he does not say so. -- L.
 
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:01cfu21g2k279hinitaf6h36facn2qdt1h@4ax.com...
>
> Correction: My response should have been direct at
> "The Nolalu Barn Owl". My apologies, "Bill M".
> It is a sad commentary, when people sift the Bible
> through their doctrines and their doctrines become
> absolute in their minds and the Bible is manipulated
> and twisted up like a pretzel to make it match their
> doctrines. And it is even sadder when it is pointed
> out that the words they claim, are not found in the
> Bible and you are demonized and told that you "just
> don't have the special understanding that is required
> to understand the Bible. Some even believe that only
> today, can we understand these special keys and have
> placed themselves not only above their fellow man,
> but above the prophets and even the Apostles, who
> clearly stated that they were the ones who were
> given the key to understanding the mysteries and
> were revealing them to the churches. And yet,
> these people would have us believe that they were
> liars! That is the only conclusion that one can
> draw, when they claim that it is only today that
> we can understand these "special keys". Doesn't
> that mean that the Apostles didn't and therefore,
> lied? So we are left with an NT, in which they
> wrote, but really had no clue what they were
> talking about. This happens because so many
> believe that the Bible is useless, if it isn't
> all about them today. And that folks, is Futurism!
>
No need to "understand the mysteries of the Bible as revealed to the
churches". It's enough we repent and devotedly follow Christ in love and
faith.



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