Home Prices: Steepest Drop in 20 Years

On Aug 28, 2:50 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:
> Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
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> > Harry Hope wrote:

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> >>From The Associated Press, 8/28/07:
> >>http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070828/home_price_index.html?.v=5

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> >>Home Prices: Steepest Drop in 20 Years

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> >>By Vinnee Tong, AP Business Writer

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> >>S&P Says Housing Prices Fell in 2Q by Steepest Rate Since Its Index
> >>Was Started in 1987

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> >>Harry

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> > You complain that houses are too expensive, about inflation, and now you
> > complain when they get cheaper, deflation. Is there anything that could
> > happen in the economy that you wouldn't take some dark foreboding from?

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> And you see no problem with the housing bubble? What the hell do you
> think this economy has been running on for the last 6 years? A decline
> in housing prices is the inevitable result of a bursting housing bubble.
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> Now, cheaper home prices does not mean that more people can now
> afford housing. It's quite the opposite as the cost of buying a home
> with the higher cost of financing has risen substantially. A year ago
> 46% of people could afford the median price home in their neighborhood.
> Now it is 42%.
>
> So what we have is a whole group of people that have been financing
> the 2/3 of our economy that is driven by consumer spending having less
> equity than they thought. In many cases those homes are now worth less
> than when they bought them for. Don't you think those people will be
> spending a lot less? Particularly since Bush has been in office that
> individual incomes (adjusted for inflation) have fallen and have even
> falling disregarding inflation over the last year or so. That certainly
> wasn't expected.
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> All of this is driven by bad econonomic policy. Too much easy money,
> too little oversight and not a concern in the world about the future.
> It was al rive by the greed of the moment.
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> Now, cheaper home prices does not mean that more people can now
> afford housing. It's quite the opposite as the cost of buying a home
> with the higher cost of financing has risen substantially. A year ago
> 46% of people could afford the median price home in their neighborhood.
> Now it is 42%.


It does mean I can afford a reasonably priced house. This, because
I have saved and waited for this opportunity for the past decade.
The feds are still cutting interest rates and my bank is reducing
lending rates
on mortgages, thus dropping my cost of financing.
My hope is for a sharp increase in unemployment.
 
Lamont Cranston wrote:
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> "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> news:46D73057.4BF006E1@yahoo.co.uk...
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> > Lamont Cranston wrote:
> >>
> >> "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
> >> news:46D5EBDF.10DF0C55@yahoo.co.uk...
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> >> >
> >> > Lamont Cranston wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' )" <tributyltinpaint@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in
> >> >> message
> >> >> news:46D5D2E8.DC18ECC6@yahoo.co.uk...
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Jeff wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Bill Bonde ( 'Hi ho' ) wrote:
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Harry Hope wrote:
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >>From The Associated Press, 8/28/07:
> >> >> >> >>http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070828/home_price_index.html?.v=5
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Home Prices: Steepest Drop in 20 Years
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>By Vinnee Tong, AP Business Writer
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>S&P Says Housing Prices Fell in 2Q by Steepest Rate Since Its
> >> >> >> >>Index
> >> >> >> >>Was Started in 1987
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >>Harry
> >> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > You complain that houses are too expensive, about inflation, and
> >> >> >> > now
> >> >> >> > you
> >> >> >> > complain when they get cheaper, deflation. Is there anything that
> >> >> >> > could
> >> >> >> > happen in the economy that you wouldn't take some dark foreboding
> >> >> >> > from?
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> And you see no problem with the housing bubble? What the hell do
> >> >> >> you
> >> >> >> think this economy has been running on for the last 6 years? A
> >> >> >> decline
> >> >> >> in housing prices is the inevitable result of a bursting housing
> >> >> >> bubble.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > You are trying to find some way to pretend that the economy is bad
> >> >> > so
> >> >> > you can blame Bush.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Now, cheaper home prices does not mean that more people can now
> >> >> >> afford housing. It's quite the opposite as the cost of buying a
> >> >> >> home
> >> >> >> with the higher cost of financing has risen substantially. A year
> >> >> >> ago
> >> >> >> 46% of people could afford the median price home in their
> >> >> >> neighborhood.
> >> >> >> Now it is 42%.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > In their neighbourhood? Maybe they need to find a lower cost
> >> >> > neighbourhood if they want to buy.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> So what we have is a whole group of people that have been
> >> >> >> financing
> >> >> >> the 2/3 of our economy that is driven by consumer spending having
> >> >> >> less
> >> >> >> equity than they thought. In many cases those homes are now worth
> >> >> >> less
> >> >> >> than when they bought them for. Don't you think those people will
> >> >> >> be
> >> >> >> spending a lot less?
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > I do think they should be spending less. It's high time that
> >> >> > Americans
> >> >> > not be the dumping ground for the excess industrial capacity of
> >> >> > third
> >> >> > world nations like China that haven't figured out how to have a
> >> >> > domestic
> >> >> > consumer economy even though their own people are still in desperate
> >> >> > poverty.
> >> >> >
> >> >> >
> >> >> >> Particularly since Bush has been in office that
> >> >> >> individual incomes (adjusted for inflation) have fallen and have
> >> >> >> even
> >> >> >> falling disregarding inflation over the last year or so. That
> >> >> >> certainly
> >> >> >> wasn't expected.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> > Feel free to provide a cite as discussing nebulous contentions is
> >> >> > difficult.
> >> >>
> >> >> Here's one that I found in 12 seconds:
> >> >>
> >> > It's not important how long it took you to find it just that you've
> >> > provided something specific to discuss.
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> bigpicture.typepad.com/comments/2007/08/real-income-fai.html
> >> >>
> >> >> "While incomes have been on the rise since 2002, the average income in
> >> >> 2005
> >> >> was $55,238, still nearly 1 percent less than the $55,714 in 2000,
> >> >> after
> >> >> adjusting for inflation, analysis of new tax statistics show."
> >> >>
> >> > I don't think that's enough information to know how the middle class or
> >> > the poor are doing. Maybe Enron is just paying its people less.
> >>
> >> It's more than enough information.
> >>

> > The "average income" doesn't tell us how specific groups within the
> > population are doing. It might just mean that the rich weren't getting
> > so much excess anymore, maybe fewer dividend payments. Apparently, from
> > other cites, poverty rates declined a bit. So that doesn't seem to mean
> > that the poor are having it worse. But more information is really
> > needed. For example, consider below what "average" means in the supra
> > case. Is it the arithmetic mean, which I'm assuming, or is it the
> > median, or is it something else?:

>
> Average means the mean.
>

Which means that we don't have enough information, what I said.


> There is sufficent data available to know that the
> poor and middle classes are being hammered by this economy while the upper
> class is enjoying all of the benefits.
>

Not from the text in this thread. And if you bring in the reduction of
poverty data, you are just wrong.


--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."

+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
 
compton75@hotmail.com wrote:
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> On Aug 28, 2:50 pm, Jeff <dont_bug...@all.uk> wrote:



> It does mean I can afford a reasonably priced house. This, because
> I have saved and waited for this opportunity for the past decade.
> The feds are still cutting interest rates and my bank is reducing
> lending rates
> on mortgages, thus dropping my cost of financing.
> My hope is for a sharp increase in unemployment.
>

Isn't that a bit, you know, selfish?: "I'm hoping everyone in the world
dies so I can have all the chocolate bars to myself!" What are you going
to do if you are laid off or die?



--
"Throw me that lipstick, darling, I wanna redo my stigmata."

+-Jennifer Saunders, "Absolutely Fabulous"
 
In article <dcq8d35ff3grr1bf85n8uu1ilpqp1fd1a8@4ax.com>,
Harry Hope <rivrvu@ix.netcom.com> wrote:

> From The Associated Press, 8/28/07:
> http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/070828/home_price_index.html?.v=5
>
> Home Prices: Steepest Drop in 20 Years
>
> By Vinnee Tong, AP Business Writer
>
> S&P Says Housing Prices Fell in 2Q by Steepest Rate Since Its Index
> Was Started in 1987
>
> NEW YORK (AP) --
>
> U.S. home prices fell 3.2 percent in the second quarter...



Sounds like a good opportunity.
 
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