How Most Left Wing Liberals Sound

[ImWithStupid]

Actually that would be incorrect.
A change in rules was implimented and we were asked to comment on it and ask questions. I asked questions and pointed out that things such as the shoutbox could still be abused (as recently shown to be true when I made that point long ago).

Bender said complainers were not welcome (not exact words but words to that effect) and banned me without me ever violating a single rule.

This was from a situation where a certain person was breaking the rules almost daily but never banned. But, this same person used the "I know you are" debate style of avoiding direct questions the same as Bender does. Maybe it was all just professional courtesy for similar mindsets, maybe not, but there are questions to be sure.

Nobody was banned for their opinion. There was much more to that than the last post that resulted in the ban. You can stop playing martyr, anytime now.

 

[timesjoke]

Nobody was banned for their opinion. There was much more to that than the last post that resulted in the ban. You can stop playing martyr, anytime now.

Okay, what rule infractions did I have that earned me the ban?

The "much more" your talking about was personal feelings of the staff and had nothign to do with my breaking rules. The new rule was that people had to play ostritch and ignore people instead of complaining whrn they were acting poorly. I pointed out that it seemed unfair to make people play ostritch and that other types of abuse could happen that the ignore feature could not block, such as the shoutbox.

I even offered something from my rules to try and help the situation.

This was all done in a thread where our opinions of the rule was asked for, even eddo commented that I should not have been banned because I was doing what you guys asked us to do in the thread you said do it in.

If I was not banned for rule violations, clearly I was banned for personal reasons, personal reasons being you did not like my opinions, Bender even said it clearly when he banned me he did not want complainers.

Can't get much more direct than that.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Okay, what rule infractions did I have that earned me the ban?
The "much more" your talking about was personal feelings of the staff and had nothign to do with my breaking rules. The new rule was that people had to play ostritch and ignore people instead of complaining whrn they were acting poorly. I pointed out that it seemed unfair to make people play ostritch and that other types of abuse could happen that the ignore feature could not block, such as the shoutbox.

I even offered something from my rules to try and help the situation.

This was all done in a thread where our opinions of the rule was asked for, even eddo commented that I should not have been banned because I was doing what you guys asked us to do in the thread you said do it in.

If I was not banned for rule violations, clearly I was banned for personal reasons, personal reasons being you did not like my opinions, Bender even said it clearly when he banned me he did not want complainers.

Can't get much more direct than that.

I see you're still in denial, and still crying.

 

[timesjoke]

I see you're still in denial, and still crying.

So prove me wrong, show the infraction log proving I was banned for rule infractions if you can.

Otherwise clearly it was something else. I see the post was "cleaned" where Bender said he was removing me because I was complaining, nice touch.

 

[ImWithStupid]

So prove me wrong, show the infraction log proving I was banned for rule infractions if you can.

Otherwise clearly it was something else. I see the post was "cleaned" where Bender said he was removing me because I was complaining, nice touch.

I'm trying to figure out what part of the warning, about my patience with anyone who insists on bringing back the stuff that happened last winter, you don't understand. I appears that wez thought I wasn't serious. I guess you think I was joking too.

P.S. The post where Bender banned you is still there.

 

[timesjoke]

I'm trying to figure out what part of the warning, about my patience with anyone who insists on bringing back the stuff that happened last winter, you don't understand. I appears that wez thought I wasn't serious. I guess you think I was joking too.

Oh I am sorry, when you said that nobody was banned for their opinions I thought you really meant ever, I had no idea you were limiting your comment to recent history.

I missed your order to not talk of facts from the past.

P.S. The post where Bender banned you is still there.

Your right, I had difficulty finding it:

Or better yet, if someone wants to nit pick, I have a simpler answer... GOODBYE.

I am sorry, he did not say complainer, he said nit pick, amounts to the same thing from my popint of view.

Hey, I am fully capable of accepting I got under his skin with my opinions and comments. I see no reason to call it something it was not though. I am me and like my pm to you when I found out my banning was lifted, If you though I was going to kiss behind and be someone I am not then you may as well hit the ban button again because I don't scare and I don't make appoligies for my beliefs.

I especially do not cower to a title of moderator or admin.

Cloaked agreed to one of my policies, when I mentioned that I do not allow staff to moderate in threads where they are actively debating he agreed it was not a good idea because situations like this erupt where staff allows their frustrations in the debating to bleed over into their jobs.

PS, I am still sore at you for not wishing me happy birthday.

 

[phreakwars]

Actually, I had no problem with you personally.. ask anyone whos been on GF for ages, I'm probably one of the most fair people your gonna find, even if I don't agree with your opinion... but the thing is, when your COMPLAINING, not your opinion, starts to disrupt the forum, actions needed to be taken.

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[phreakwars]

Also, if I had a problem with your opinion, then why don't I have that same problem with SNAFU who carries pretty much the same ideals?

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[ImWithStupid]

It doesn't matter what you say, Bender. TJ is TJ. He's still convinced he did no wrong, he was persecuted, and picked on, and nothing you say or do that could prove otherwise, will matter. He just has to have the last word, and throw in a digger to try to drag it out.

 

[phreakwars]

Hmm, maybe if I changed my political party to Republican he wouldn't think I hate him.

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[timesjoke]

Actually, I had no problem with you personally.. ask anyone whos been on GF for ages, I'm probably one of the most fair people your gonna find, even if I don't agree with your opinion... but the thing is, when your COMPLAINING, not your opinion, starts to disrupt the forum, actions needed to be taken..

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The complaining your talking about was my offering my "opinion" to the proposed rules, as we were told to do in that thread.

The only disruption on the forum was the disruption in the staff forum where you were discussing how to get rid of me without the benefit of me ever breaking any rules.

IWS, I see your still playing the dog at the bottom of the tree, barking away and being nasty as usual when you get a chip on your shoulder but tell me this, if telling the pure truth is crying, does that mean the acceptable thing for people here to do is lie to make you guys feel better about yourselves?

The reality is you guys like Wez, you feel he offers a certain flavor your looking for in your little soup and I can accept that even if I don't agree with your wanting to keep someone like that around. The problem is not your decision, **** it is your forum, not mine. Where the conflict (with us) comes in is you don't want to publically admit that even if he is breaking the rules, your willing to overlook that to keep the flavor.

That is why I was removed, to keep you from having to admit it.

Anyway, I am done, anyone can follow the link to Bender's post and clearly see that I was partisipating in a discussion about the new rules as we were told to do and even though several people were asking questions and making points, only I was singled out and banned for offering my opinion of the rule.

Hey, there is a thread dedicated to bashing me in the 'flame forum' I am sure your input will be welcome, lol.

PS, I still did not get my happy birthday, you guys are gonne hurt my feelings

 

[ImWithStupid]

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[timesjoke]

Beautiful.....

My GF plays the violin and when she plays all I can do is sit and watch/listen, hardly breathing. Her mother plays the piano and so does my brother in law. Last year I got them all together with a friend of mine who plays classical guitar and they had tears running down my face.

Only my faith moves me more than music like this.

 

[phreakwars]

I'm guessing she only plays it when your around.

What a great gal !!

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[timesjoke]

I'm guessing she only plays it when your around.

I am sure I am missing the funny in there, I will take it as such.

What a great gal !!

Yes she is, more than great actually.

I feel humble around her most of the time.

What is that old saying, "music calms the savage beast" or something like that, lol.

 

[snafu]

Just my bipartisan view on this.

I think you go over board and take things to personal TJ. When you see the debate is going no where you should just agree to disagree. On the other hand wez knows you can?t let it go and plays on this by egging you on. Wez adds to the board but I feel you add to the board with a certain flair too. We need to hear both sides.

As Bender has stated and I agree is that he is a very fair person even during his non orthodox ways of GF. So I wouldn?t go the route that they?re out to get you. Look at IWS and Bender. They have total opposite views to but Bender did make IWS the moderator. That should tell you something.

Oh happy birthday you old fart you. I had that part of the board closed and so I didn't see it was your birthday. I took my birthdate off becuase I hate to make an issue of it. It was Aug 10th but like the sweet heart Atlantic is, she remembered mine and sent me a PM.

 

[timesjoke]

I did take the banning a tad personal, well as far as I allow something on the internet to be personal. Do you believe being banned for voicing your opinions is not personal?

A banning is sort of a "e-slap" in the face and in this case, it was done because Bender got angry about me asking questions. He clearly said I was nit picking the rule so he banned me. I really do not care about the banning itself, just that the motivations for that banning for voicing my opinions are still alive and well in those who see nothing wrong with banning a member who did not violate any rule.

As a side note' date=' I would like to explain that the reason I am here and on other forums debating instead of my own is in order to maintain my objectivity, I cannot get down in the trenches of spirited debates and then enforce the rules of the board. You don't see Judges hanging out with the police. I have a rule where if one of my moderators is posting in a thread, they cannot exercise their mod powers in that thread except for the most obvious problem like a spammer posting **** or a member losing his cool, and even then I take more time to review those situations to be sure there is no possibility of a staff member abusing his mod powers just to win a debate.[/quote']

And this is a good rule to follow if you're a mod. You can't objectively make a decision when you are engaging in the debate. When those instances happen I would rather the mods step back and let one of the unbiased mods take control.I speak of mods as plural even though we only have one at this time. We are discussing adding another.

No matter how 'fair' someone tries to be, when they are actively "in the trenches" they cannot preserve objectivity. Even Cloaked agreed with me on that point.

Thanks for the birthday wishes, back at you as well, the old farts have to keep things straight with these younger wackos trying to ruin our hard work, lol.

 

[snafu]

I wasn't happy with your banning either but something had to be done at the time so I'm not gonna second guess their decision.

 

[phreakwars]

I wasn't mad at you for asking questions, I was mad at you for ******* off and annoying the **** out of all the other members. It's pretty **** sad when I got long time members saying... geesh I really don't wanna post anymore on the site because of the whining TJ is doing all over the **** boards. What the **** do you THINK I was gonna do.. ban wez? I sure as **** wasn't gonna do that if YOU AND ONLY YOU were the one complaining about the guy.

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[timesjoke]

I wasn't happy with your banning either but something had to be done at the time so I'm not gonna second guess their decision.

"something"

Well it certainly sounds clinical to word it that way to those who are not banned for voicing their opinions but to the one who gets banned it leaves a lot to be desired. Especially when the other side of that coin was allowed to break the rules almost daily and not earn a permanant ban as I was given.

Just how is that "fair"?

Look, the world is not fair and I am not really upset that they were unfair, as I keep saying over and over, all I am pointing out is the "truth" behind it, not calling for fairness. These guys are humans, they will make mistakes, they will also trend tword not admitting their mistakes as most humans do.

But, I see no reason to 'let' them paint over the facts and even lie about it.

I honestly was only jabbing at Bender for refusing to answer the question I asked him, IWS had to jump into the 'fight' and make a wrong claim about my banning so at that point, I had to defend against his lie. He blew this up much bigger than it ever had to be.