Illegal Aliens "Self Deport" as Woes Mount

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Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

PHOENIX (Reuters) - Mexican illegal immigrant Lindi sat down with her husband Marco
Antonio in the weeks before Christmas to decide when to go back to Mexico.

She has spent three years working as a hairdresser in and around Phoenix, but now she
figures it is time to go back to her hometown of Aguascalientes in central Mexico.

"The situation has got so tough that there don't seem to be many options left for
us," Lindi, who asked for her last name not to be used, told Reuters.

The couple are among a growing number of illegal immigrants across the United States
who are starting to pack their bags and move on as a crackdown on undocumented
immigrants widens and the U.S. economy slows, turning a traditional Christmas trek
home into a one-way trip.

In the past year, U.S. immigration police have stepped up workplace sweeps across the
country and teamed up with a growing number of local forces to train officers to
enforce immigration laws.

Meanwhile, a bill seeking to offer many of the 12 million illegal immigrants a path
to legal status was tossed by the U.S. Congress, spurring many state and local
authorities to pass their own measures targeting illegal immigrants.

The toughening environment has been coupled with a turndown in the U.S. economy,
which has tipped the balance toward self deportation for many illegal immigrants left
struggling to find work.

"It is still just a thought, although we are preparing to leave," said Ernesto
Garcia, a carpenter from Caborca in northwest Mexico, who stood in line at the
Mexican consulate in Phoenix this week for paperwork that will allow him and his
family to resume their lives south of the border.

PACKING THEIR BAGS

There is no tally of the number of illegal immigrants who have already left the
United States, many of whom simply head south over the border with their belongings
packed into a car during the annual Christmas exodus, or board scheduled flights for
other destinations.

Mexican consular sources in Phoenix say they are seeing a spike in the number of
immigrants applying for Mexican citizenship for their U.S.-born children, which will
allow them to enroll in schools in Mexico.

They are also seeing a rise in requests for papers enabling families to carry
household belongings back to Mexico, free of import duties.

Members of the Brazilian community in the U.S. northeast, meanwhile, say they are
starting to see an increase in the number of illegal immigrants heading back to their
homes in Brazil in recent months.

"They are beginning to put in the balance the constant fear of being detained and
deported, and many are deciding to leave," said Fausto Mendes da Rocha, executive
director of the Brazilian Immigrant Center in Boston.

Other returning immigrants cite a slowdown in the U.S. economy as a factor, and the
falling value of the U.S. dollar against other currencies, which has eaten into the
value of remittances sent to support families at home.

Aluisio Carvalho, 66, left a wife and four children behind in Brazil in 2001 when he
set off to find work in Boston. Since then, he has managed to pay for the education
of his children by working in a restaurant, but is now planning to leave himself in
February

"Salaries are really low, and living costs are high. We also face too much
exploitation at work here, too many demands," he said.

MOVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES

While some illegal immigrants are simply self deporting, others are moving within the
United States to avoid federal immigration raids and pro-enforcement measures passed
by a patchwork of state and local authorities.

Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where Mexicans and
Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking plant were arrested during
coordinated immigration raids across six states a year ago that netted hundreds of
employees.

Moses Garcia, a U.S. citizen who came from Mexico 18 years ago and knew many of the
families affected by the 2006 raid through his church and real estate work, said most
of the workers have left to other states, not back to Mexico.

"They feel like they are not welcome here," Garcia said. "They go to Minnesota,
Atlanta, Nebraska, California."

In Arizona, where some specially trained sheriff's deputies already enforce
immigration laws and a new state law sanctioning businesses hiring undocumented
workers is due to come in to effect January 1, many illegal immigrants are eyeing a
move to states they see as less hostile.

Among them is day laborer Fernando Gutierrez who trekked illegally into the desert
state 18 months ago from Mexico, and is now thinking of joining a cousin working in
Oregon in the Pacific northwest.

"Everyone lives in fear of the police stopping you for some minor infraction and then
asking for your papers," Gutierrez said as he touted for work in the chill morning
air at a Phoenix day labor site.

"I want to get as far away from here as possible."

(Additional reporting by Adriana Garcia in Washington and Andrea Hopkins in
Marshalltown; Editing by Eddie Evans)
 
AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in
news:gm11n315b7vrmdaqsi36n28lsdpebhe6gq@4ax.com:

> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount
>
> PHOENIX (Reuters) - Mexican illegal immigrant Lindi sat down with her
> husband Marco Antonio in the weeks before Christmas to decide when to
> go back to Mexico.
>
> She has spent three years working as a hairdresser in and around
> Phoenix, but now she figures it is time to go back to her hometown of
> Aguascalientes in central Mexico.
>
> "The situation has got so tough that there don't seem to be many
> options left for us," Lindi, who asked for her last name not to be
> used, told Reuters.
>
> The couple are among a growing number of illegal immigrants across the
> United States who are starting to pack their bags and move on as a
> crackdown on undocumented immigrants widens and the U.S. economy
> slows, turning a traditional Christmas trek home into a one-way trip.
>
> In the past year, U.S. immigration police have stepped up workplace
> sweeps across the country and teamed up with a growing number of local
> forces to train officers to enforce immigration laws.
>
> Meanwhile, a bill seeking to offer many of the 12 million illegal
> immigrants a path to legal status was tossed by the U.S. Congress,
> spurring many state and local authorities to pass their own measures
> targeting illegal immigrants.
>
> The toughening environment has been coupled with a turndown in the
> U.S. economy, which has tipped the balance toward self deportation for
> many illegal immigrants left struggling to find work.
>
> "It is still just a thought, although we are preparing to leave," said
> Ernesto Garcia, a carpenter from Caborca in northwest Mexico, who
> stood in line at the Mexican consulate in Phoenix this week for
> paperwork that will allow him and his family to resume their lives
> south of the border.
>
> PACKING THEIR BAGS
>
> There is no tally of the number of illegal immigrants who have already
> left the United States, many of whom simply head south over the border
> with their belongings packed into a car during the annual Christmas
> exodus, or board scheduled flights for other destinations.
>
> Mexican consular sources in Phoenix say they are seeing a spike in the
> number of immigrants applying for Mexican citizenship for their
> U.S.-born children, which will allow them to enroll in schools in
> Mexico.
>
> They are also seeing a rise in requests for papers enabling families
> to carry household belongings back to Mexico, free of import duties.
>
> Members of the Brazilian community in the U.S. northeast, meanwhile,
> say they are starting to see an increase in the number of illegal
> immigrants heading back to their homes in Brazil in recent months.
>
> "They are beginning to put in the balance the constant fear of being
> detained and deported, and many are deciding to leave," said Fausto
> Mendes da Rocha, executive director of the Brazilian Immigrant Center
> in Boston.
>
> Other returning immigrants cite a slowdown in the U.S. economy as a
> factor, and the falling value of the U.S. dollar against other
> currencies, which has eaten into the value of remittances sent to
> support families at home.
>
> Aluisio Carvalho, 66, left a wife and four children behind in Brazil
> in 2001 when he set off to find work in Boston. Since then, he has
> managed to pay for the education of his children by working in a
> restaurant, but is now planning to leave himself in February
>
> "Salaries are really low, and living costs are high. We also face too
> much exploitation at work here, too many demands," he said.
>
> MOVING WITHIN THE UNITED STATES
>
> While some illegal immigrants are simply self deporting, others are
> moving within the United States to avoid federal immigration raids and
> pro-enforcement measures passed by a patchwork of state and local
> authorities.
>
> Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where
> Mexicans and Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking
> plant were arrested during coordinated immigration raids across six
> states a year ago that netted hundreds of employees.
>
> Moses Garcia, a U.S. citizen who came from Mexico 18 years ago and
> knew many of the families affected by the 2006 raid through his church
> and real estate work, said most of the workers have left to other
> states, not back to Mexico.
>
> "They feel like they are not welcome here," Garcia said. "They go to
> Minnesota, Atlanta, Nebraska, California."
>
> In Arizona, where some specially trained sheriff's deputies already
> enforce immigration laws and a new state law sanctioning businesses
> hiring undocumented workers is due to come in to effect January 1,
> many illegal immigrants are eyeing a move to states they see as less
> hostile.
>
> Among them is day laborer Fernando Gutierrez who trekked illegally
> into the desert state 18 months ago from Mexico, and is now thinking
> of joining a cousin working in Oregon in the Pacific northwest.
>
> "Everyone lives in fear of the police stopping you for some minor
> infraction and then asking for your papers," Gutierrez said as he
> touted for work in the chill morning air at a Phoenix day labor site.
>
> "I want to get as far away from here as possible."
>
> (Additional reporting by Adriana Garcia in Washington and Andrea
> Hopkins in Marshalltown; Editing by Eddie Evans)
>
>
>
>
 
On Dec 24, 10:01 pm, Starkiller <NoSpam.SKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno...@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
> >On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
> >wrote:

>
> >> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>
> >So how did the Arizonans do it?

>
> >Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>
> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.
>
> They enforced the law.


Which makes the looney left liberals go completely nuts.
 
On Dec 24, 9:16 pm, br...@pobox.com wrote:
> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 23:01:10 -0600, Starkiller
>
>
>
> <NoSpam.SKS_SK...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno...@yahoo.com
> >wrote:

>
> >>On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
> >>wrote:

>
> >>> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>
> >>So how did the Arizonans do it?

>
> >>Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>
> >An amazing and revolutionary new concept.

>
> >They enforced the law.

>
> Not precisely. As I understand it, they essentially passed STATE
> legislation that mirrored the Federal law against hiring illegals and
> are enforcing THOSE laws.
>
>
>
> >Regards

>
> >Starkiller
 
<janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> So how did the Arizonans do it?
> Tell us soon so we can do it too.


They did it by simply having the cops ask people for their citizenship
papers.
They didn't even have to take anyone to jail.
They just asked.

There are MORE than enough crappy jobs everywhere else for the laborers AND
hillibillies, so there's no need for them to stay where they are not
welcome.
 
"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.
> They enforced the law.


No - they didn't.
They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.
They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove
their citizenship.
 
Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cj31n3lq62rqbr5ucdg43irsmb52lea775@4ax.com...
>
>> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.
>> They enforced the law.

>
> No - they didn't.
> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.
> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove
> their citizenship.
>
>

It's about time.
 
<johnny@.> wrote in message
news:9f9cj.30069$vt2.17461@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
> Sanders Kaufman wrote:


>> No - they didn't.
>> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.
>> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove
>> their citizenship.
>>

> It's about time.


Yeah - but just like when you racists voted for Bush, you'll end up bitching
about getting what you wanted.
 
"AnAmericanCitizen" <NoAmnesty@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount


Great news indeed!!
Now if it just becomes a trend we will get rid of a lot of people we do not
want. Unfortunately it will not be the hard criminals that go. They will
still enjoy the sanctuary of the gangs in major cities which will not do any
thing about them



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"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 24 Dec 2007 20:40:17 -0800 (PST), janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com
> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 24, 11:29 pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net>
>>wrote:
>>
>>> Illegal immigrants "self deport" as woes mount

>>
>>So how did the Arizonans do it?
>>
>>Tell us soon so we can do it too.

>
> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.
>
> They enforced the law.
>
>
>
>
> Regards
>
>
> Starkiller
 
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message news:r99cj.1611$pr6.806@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:cj31n3lq62rqbr5ucdg43irsmb52lea775@4ax.com...
>
>> An amazing and revolutionary new concept.
>> They enforced the law.

>
> No - they didn't.
> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.
> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove
> their citizenship.
>
>

You would like everyone to believe your lies, huh ? . Where is your proof of this profiling ?
If they ask everyone arrested for ID , which is what is done when one gets arrested, then there is no problem. Or do you think that they only ask mexicans for ID when arrested ?
All citizens are required to carry ID and produce it upon demand by any law enforcement officer. The officer does not need a reason to ask for it. It is your duty as a good American citizen to cooperate with authorities in their investigations.
I am white and I have been asked for ID many times. You know what ? I always show it . Because I am an American citizen, not a criminal invader .

That is not only my opinion but the opinions of millions of American citizens who are proud to uphold the laws of this country .
 
"Sanders Kaufman" <bucky@kaufman.net> wrote in message news:bo9cj.1612$pr6.818@nlpi070.nbdc.sbc.com...
> <johnny@.> wrote in message
> news:9f9cj.30069$vt2.17461@bignews8.bellsouth.net...
>> Sanders Kaufman wrote:

>
>>> No - they didn't.
>>> They took noone to jail and pressed no charges.
>>> They simply began asking everyone with dark skin and an accent to prove
>>> their citizenship.
>>>

>> It's about time.

>
> Yeah - but just like when you racists voted for Bush, you'll end up bitching
> about getting what you wanted.
>
>

You are a major loser. Just like most mexicans you call everyone who disagrees with you or wants to uphold the laws of the country, a racist.
Racist means that you have no tolerance or hate a person because of their race you ****ing moron.
We do not want any one of any race or color to enter our country illegally.

That is the difference between us and you and your kind. You are a racist.
 
<janet_reno_jr@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Dec 25, 3:34 am, snausages <goofin...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Do the police ask everyone they pull over for proof of their citizenship
> or do the police only target brown people?


> It's that dastardly practice of profiling. You know - observe
> patterns of criminal behavior and focus on those who fit the pattern.


That's "criminal profiling" - and it's not what the AZ cops are doing at
all.
They totally ignore behaviour - focusing solely on heritage.

If they were to actually use criminal profiling - they'd be rounding up
hillbillies.
 
On Dec 24, 8:29�pm, AnAmericanCitizen <NoAmne...@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Among them are undocumented immigrants in Marshalltown, Iowa, where Mexicans and
> Central Americans workers at a Swift & Co meatpacking plant were arrested during
> coordinated immigration raids across six states a year ago that netted hundreds of
> employees.


Having a two-class society where the Rich Whites get richer off the
Poor Whites is bad enough, but when the Rich Whites want to import
even poorer Mexicans to do the the work they don't want to pay Whites
to do, you have a social injustice.

The public unemployment rate may be 4% or 5%, but the real
unemployment rate in the county I live in is about 16%.

Mexicans live in better houses and drive better cars in this county
than most working class Whites.

When I read about how the welfare department of the economically-
depressed California county I live in now gave bus tickets to Mexicans
in order to get them off the welfare roles and then the Mexicans
showed up in Marshalltown, I just want to puke.

My great grandparents pioneered Marshall county, Iowas in the 1850's.

My grandfather and grandmother were born in Marshalltown and lived all
their lives there. My grandfather worked as a car inspector for a
railroad that was in and out of bankruptcy for decades.

My uncles enlisted and were career Navy men. One uncle was torpedoed
by a German U-boat off Iceland 2 months before WW2 started, when
Roosevelt was trying to get America into a war with Germany.

My uncle survived, and received a commendation for his cool courage
and leadership during the attack.

Less than six months later, my other uncle was killed by Japanese dive
bombers as his destroyer attempted to take pilots to Java to help
defend the Dutch empire.

The Japanese sank his ship, but they didn't rescue our sailors.

My parents left the midwest and came to California during the Great
Depression.

My stepfather was a meat packer, but there was no work for him back in
the midwest. However, there seems to be work for Mexicans, packing
meat.

Now, the mayor of Marshalltown thinks that he doesn't owe anything to
the descendants of White Iowa pioneers and the White veterans who
defended our nation.

He claims that Mexicans somehow "revitalize" the failing economy of
Marshalltown and wonders how he will get "workers" to process pork at
the Swift plant.

It's simple, actually. Just hire White people and pay them fair
wages. There has always been an abundant labor force in Iowa, the
businessmen don't need to import California's Mexican problem, they
just need to be willing to share the wealth with White workers,
instead of giving Mexicans less money.

Marshalltown is a small city of only 25,000, and, with 20% Mexican
population, it's very noticeable that there are a bunch of criminals
in town.

It's worse over here in California, where there are TWO Mexicans for
every White person. The White businessmen who run the town are begging
for Mexicans to come and pick their oranges and pecans and milk their
cows and make cheese.

Owners of citrus groves are actually offering health insurance and
paid vacation to orange pickers, just to get somebody into their
orchards to pick the fruit.

And the used car lots are jam packed with clean used cars for sale.
The used car dealers cannot sell their cars to Mexicans who were laid
off because of the big
winter freeze that did a billion $$$ worth of damage last winter.
 
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