Liberals continue their denial of military successes in Iraq

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MioMyo

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Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have invested
in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
continually prove themselves to be!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds
each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence
and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in
neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.

Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who
have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the
largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast walls
and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are gingerly
testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they are also
facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by violence
and mistrust.

Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a
friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a
short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.
Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an
ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.

The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.
When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large
house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the
Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new occupants
to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly Shiite
district.

"Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in
engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."

Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence -- car
bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier this
year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year, 30,000
U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other areas.
Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq insurgent
group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and towns.
Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's image,
ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.

U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria last
month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.

The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement. Shops
are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.

But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by
honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they
still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across
Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls
each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists
watch for those who breach their codes.

Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three
young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since
then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --
have come back, too.

Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.
Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for alcohol
or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans. Roads are
being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and traffic
circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall blast walls
that separate entire blocks.

"It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer during
the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove across the
main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar fear. "You're
lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or Shia, American
soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."

He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day, he
wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the Mahdi
Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not to
come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.

Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the
mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both
worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of
Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.

So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly
Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops
close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The
walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity, Hashimi
said, is still scarce.

Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad. Nor
did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped there
five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after two
failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they
returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once lived.

Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by
relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the
checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the
blast walls.

"Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety
without these barriers is real safety."

Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet seen
his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam, controlled
by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be killed.

"Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my
sister," Haadi said.

Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's in-laws,
also in Karrada.

"We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am
afraid to go to my parents."

As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to
Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with
special visas to enter.

Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified to
drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling Shiites
from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout the night.

"That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve day
by day. People are tired of conflict."

Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not
visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation
where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of trusting
people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people," she said.
"This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to take risks."

She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old
neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But
they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to vacate
their house.

"People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi
said. "We don't know that family's background."

Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their
former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because they
were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her
preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the
family to return.

"He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the
calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared
having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although
other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.' "

She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to
Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes
the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.

"The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um Melal
said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or stay.
We're waiting to see what happens.

"I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But that
needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if you
want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."

Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied
to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government to
integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And what if
the American troops leave?

"Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans
withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."
 
Don't bother, Mo Mo is in his own little Faux News world!
<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b78ce1db-e015-4c2e-9e49-791fa519cdaf@s6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:
>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>> invested
>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>>
>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>> continually prove themselves to be!
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>> hundreds
>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased
>> violence
>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions
>> in
>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>>
>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>> who
>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent
>> the
>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>
>
> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?
>
> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing
> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a
> fraction of the refugees are coming back.
>
> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.
>
> Some success.
 
More Voilence:
Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9

More theft by Bush's buddies:
Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123...eb_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA

You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with a
rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been
there lately!
US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/N...CQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&

Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?

Didn't think so.

"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>
> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
> continually prove themselves to be!
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html
>
> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds
> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence
> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in
> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>
> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who
> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the
> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.
>
> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast
> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are
> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they
> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by
> violence and mistrust.
>
> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a
> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a
> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.
> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an
> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.
>
> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.
> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large
> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the
> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new
> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly
> Shiite district.
>
> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in
> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."
>
> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --
> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier
> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year,
> 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other
> areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq
> insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and
> towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's
> image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.
>
> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria
> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.
>
> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.
> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.
>
> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by
> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they
> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across
> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls
> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists
> watch for those who breach their codes.
>
> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three
> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since
> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --
> have come back, too.
>
> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.
> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for
> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.
> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and
> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall
> blast walls that separate entire blocks.
>
> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer
> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove
> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar
> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or
> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."
>
> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,
> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the
> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not
> to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.
>
> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the
> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both
> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of
> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.
>
> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly
> Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops
> close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The
> walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,
> Hashimi said, is still scarce.
>
> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.
> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped
> there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after
> two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they
> returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once
> lived.
>
> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by
> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the
> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the
> blast walls.
>
> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety
> without these barriers is real safety."
>
> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet
> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,
> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be
> killed.
>
> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my
> sister," Haadi said.
>
> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's
> in-laws, also in Karrada.
>
> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am
> afraid to go to my parents."
>
> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to
> Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with
> special visas to enter.
>
> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified
> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling
> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout
> the night.
>
> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve
> day by day. People are tired of conflict."
>
> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not
> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation
> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of
> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people,"
> she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to
> take risks."
>
> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old
> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But
> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to
> vacate their house.
>
> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi
> said. "We don't know that family's background."
>
> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their
> former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because
> they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her
> preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the
> family to return.
>
> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the
> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared
> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although
> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.'
> "
>
> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to
> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes
> the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.
>
> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um
> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or
> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.
>
> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But
> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if
> you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."
>
> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied
> to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government
> to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And
> what if the American troops leave?
>
> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans
> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."
>
>
 
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 22:05:23 GMT, "MioMyo"
<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>continually prove themselves to be!


What do you "label" the failure of the Bush
administration to accomplish ANY of their stated
goals--both pre-surge and post surge?

You do understand that NONE of the goals so far---other
than the removal of Saddam, has been accomplished?

You do know that, right?
 
<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:
>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong.


Wrong again. Pay attention here. It's your delusion that continually
distorts the realities and proves you clueless. Distinction with a huge
difference. You really and truly cannot get out of your own way.

The only reason for their
>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>> invested
>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.


Old, worn, trite, overplayed and untrue talking point.

>>
>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>> continually prove themselves to be!


You'd do well to hold back from posting your misconstrued, unglued ravings.
It's recommended you not only read what you post, but also make an effort to
understand the content.

Any idea why...with all that decreased violence and increased security,
DUHbya wasn't encouraged to hop over there for another plastic turkey photo
op with the troops?

>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>> hundreds
>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased
>> violence
>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions
>> in
>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>>
>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>> who
>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent
>> the
>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>
>
> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?
>
> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing
> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a
> fraction of the refugees are coming back.
>
> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.
>
> Some success.


No wonder the repub's almost always get it wrong. Not only do most exhibit
a lack of reading comprehension skills, but they also fail to read the
entire articles before posting them. I've noticed that in almost every
instance, their take and take-away are based on a couple of lead paragraphs
which they usually misinterpret (or cherry-picked excerpts, for which they
are so famous). So desperate are they to spin a win, they jump to
conclusions in support of their delusions.
 
Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat
politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in the
back when things got rough.



"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>
> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
> continually prove themselves to be!
>
> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html
>
> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds
> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence
> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in
> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>
> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis who
> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent the
> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.
>
> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast
> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are
> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they
> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened by
> violence and mistrust.
>
> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a
> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a
> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.
> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an
> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.
>
> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.
> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large
> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the
> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new
> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly
> Shiite district.
>
> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in
> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."
>
> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --
> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier
> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This year,
> 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and other
> areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in Iraq
> insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol neighborhoods and
> towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to improve his movement's
> image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze operations.
>
> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria
> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.
>
> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.
> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been reduced.
>
> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by
> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they
> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across
> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls
> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists
> watch for those who breach their codes.
>
> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three
> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since
> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like him --
> have come back, too.
>
> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.
> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for
> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.
> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and
> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall
> blast walls that separate entire blocks.
>
> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer
> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove
> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar
> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or
> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."
>
> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,
> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the
> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him not
> to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he said.
>
> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the
> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both
> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of
> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.
>
> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a mostly
> Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other shops
> close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight. The
> walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,
> Hashimi said, is still scarce.
>
> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.
> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had escaped
> there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of money after
> two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two weeks ago, they
> returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the family once
> lived.
>
> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by
> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the
> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and the
> blast walls.
>
> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety
> without these barriers is real safety."
>
> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet
> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,
> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be
> killed.
>
> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my
> sister," Haadi said.
>
> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's
> in-laws, also in Karrada.
>
> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am
> afraid to go to my parents."
>
> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back to
> Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis with
> special visas to enter.
>
> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified
> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling
> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout
> the night.
>
> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve
> day by day. People are tired of conflict."
>
> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not
> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation
> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of
> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new people,"
> she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't want to
> take risks."
>
> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old
> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But
> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to
> vacate their house.
>
> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi
> said. "We don't know that family's background."
>
> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of their
> former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house because
> they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to rent her
> preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous for the
> family to return.
>
> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the
> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared
> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although
> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect you.'
> "
>
> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to
> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter clothes
> the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not expired.
>
> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um
> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or
> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.
>
> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But
> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But if
> you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."
>
> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently applied
> to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led government
> to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and army. And
> what if the American troops leave?
>
> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans
> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."
>
>
 
The West is the White race.

The goal of America is to destroy the White race. The
multi-culture and pluralism they push is only at the expense of
Whites. No one is trying to push multi-culture in China or Japan or
anyplace but on the Whites. And they promote racial intermarriage.
If things continue as they are the White race is doomed.

And who is doing all of this? It is the USA government and the
media, in other words the Jews.

Many Whites are traitors. They support the USA government and their
own destruction. We should look for allies. And anyone who wants to
remove the Jews from power is our ally. In the past the Japanese were
our allies. Today it is the Muslims.

Osama bin Laden
September 24th statement published in Pakistan

"I have already said that we are not hostile to the United States. We
are against the system, which makes other nations slaves of the United
States, or forces them to mortgage their political and economic
freedom. This system is totally in control of the American Jews, whose
first priority is Israel, not the United States. It is simply that the
American people are themselves the slaves of the Jews and are forced
to live according to the principles and laws laid by them. So, the
punishment should reach Israel. In fact, it
is Israel, which is giving a blood bath to innocent Muslims and the
U.S. is not uttering a single word."



http://www.ihr.org/ http://www.natvan.com

http://www.thebirdman.org http://www.nsm88.com/

http://wsi.matriots.com/jews.html
 
It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news. Even the left leaning
Washington Post can't deny it although I realize the expend on a paragraph
or two until they shake the trees in order to report anything else below
par.

Maybe if there is a dem president in 08 (and if so it's highly unlikely
they'll implement an immediate withdraw) then libs and their cohort media
newspapers will go out of their way to paint a rosy picture!

You know it & I know that will be the way it's reported.....

<mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b78ce1db-e015-4c2e-9e49-791fa519cdaf@s6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:
>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>> invested
>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>>
>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>> continually prove themselves to be!
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>> hundreds
>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased
>> violence
>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions
>> in
>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>>
>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>> who
>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent
>> the
>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>
>
> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?
>
> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing
> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a
> fraction of the refugees are coming back.
>
> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.
>
> Some success.
 
How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact is,
I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

Care to deny that little factoid?

If you are honest, you won't even try.


"Filthy Democrat's Mangina" <me@me.com> wrote in message
news:R1J1j.15434$9F1.2944@read1.cgocable.net...
> More Voilence:
> Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9
>
> More theft by Bush's buddies:
> Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts
> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123...eb_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA
>
> You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with a
> rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been
> there lately!
> US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities
> http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/N...CQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&
>
> Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?
>
> Didn't think so.
>
> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
> news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>>
>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>> continually prove themselves to be!
>>
>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html
>>
>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>> hundreds each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of
>> decreased violence and increased security, or compelled by visa and
>> residency restrictions in neighboring countries and the depletion of
>> their savings.
>>
>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>> who have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they
>> represent the largest number of returnees since February 2006, when
>> sectarian violence began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from
>> Iraq.
>>
>> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast
>> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are
>> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they
>> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened
>> by violence and mistrust.
>>
>> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a
>> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a
>> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.
>> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an
>> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.
>>
>> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.
>> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their large
>> house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When the
>> Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new
>> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a mostly
>> Shiite district.
>>
>> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in
>> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."
>>
>> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --
>> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from earlier
>> this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors: This
>> year, 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into Baghdad and
>> other areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the al-Qaeda in
>> Iraq insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to patrol
>> neighborhoods and towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking to
>> improve his movement's image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to freeze
>> operations.
>>
>> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria
>> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.
>>
>> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.
>> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been
>> reduced.
>>
>> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by
>> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they
>> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across
>> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect controls
>> each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but fundamentalists
>> watch for those who breach their codes.
>>
>> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three
>> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since
>> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like
>> him -- have come back, too.
>>
>> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front door.
>> Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle for
>> alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the Americans.
>> Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up parks and
>> traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress, surrounded by tall
>> blast walls that separate entire blocks.
>>
>> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer
>> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove
>> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar
>> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or
>> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."
>>
>> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,
>> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the
>> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him
>> not to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he
>> said.
>>
>> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the
>> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both
>> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of
>> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.
>>
>> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a
>> mostly Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all other
>> shops close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past midnight.
>> The walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers. Electricity,
>> Hashimi said, is still scarce.
>>
>> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.
>> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had
>> escaped there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of
>> money after two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two
>> weeks ago, they returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where the
>> family once lived.
>>
>> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by
>> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the
>> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and
>> the blast walls.
>>
>> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety
>> without these barriers is real safety."
>>
>> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet
>> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,
>> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be
>> killed.
>>
>> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my
>> sister," Haadi said.
>>
>> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's
>> in-laws, also in Karrada.
>>
>> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am
>> afraid to go to my parents."
>>
>> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back
>> to Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis
>> with special visas to enter.
>>
>> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was terrified
>> to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were pulling
>> Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove throughout
>> the night.
>>
>> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve
>> day by day. People are tired of conflict."
>>
>> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not
>> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a nation
>> where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary of
>> trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new
>> people," she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't
>> want to take risks."
>>
>> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old
>> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return. But
>> they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to
>> vacate their house.
>>
>> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go," Zubaidi
>> said. "We don't know that family's background."
>>
>> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of
>> their former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house
>> because they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to
>> rent her preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous
>> for the family to return.
>>
>> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the
>> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared
>> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back, although
>> other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll protect
>> you.' "
>>
>> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to
>> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter
>> clothes the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has not
>> expired.
>>
>> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um
>> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or
>> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.
>>
>> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But
>> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But
>> if you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."
>>
>> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently
>> applied to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led
>> government to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and
>> army. And what if the American troops leave?
>>
>> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the Americans
>> withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will collapse again."
>>
>>

>
>
 
"MioMyo" <USA_unpatriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have

invested
> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>
> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
> continually prove themselves to be!


This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons
can't win elections.
 
"MioMyo" <USA_unpatriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:xgM1j.22984$lD6.7193@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news. Even the left leaning
> Washington Post can't deny it although I realize the expend on a paragraph
> or two until they shake the trees in order to report anything else below
> par.
>
> Maybe if there is a dem president in 08 (and if so it's highly unlikely
> they'll implement an immediate withdraw) then libs and their cohort media
> newspapers will go out of their way to paint a rosy picture!
>
> You know it & I know that will be the way it's reported.....


This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons
can't win elections.
 
"BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message
news:13keve9kcgb1n0f@news.supernews.com...
>
> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat
> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

the
> back when things got rough.


This kind of rightarded nonsense is why you KKKrooKKKed lying repugnigoons
can't win elections.
 
"Passerby" <MrE@midnight.net> wrote in message
news:OYJ1j.701$mb.466@bignews9.bellsouth.net...
>
> <mordacpreventor@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b78ce1db-e015-4c2e-9e49-791fa519cdaf@s6g2000prc.googlegroups.com...
>> On Nov 23, 2:05 pm, "MioMyo" <USA_Patr...@Somewhere.com> wrote:
>>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong.

>
> Wrong again. Pay attention here. It's your delusion that continually
> distorts the realities and proves you clueless. Distinction with a huge
> difference. You really and truly cannot get out of your own way.
>
> The only reason for their
>>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>>> invested
>>> in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.

>
> Old, worn, trite, overplayed and untrue talking point.
>
>>>
>>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>>> continually prove themselves to be!

>
> You'd do well to hold back from posting your misconstrued, unglued
> ravings. It's recommended you not only read what you post, but also make
> an effort to understand the content.
>
> Any idea why...with all that decreased violence and increased security,
> DUHbya wasn't encouraged to hop over there for another plastic turkey
> photo op with the troops?
>
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR200...
>>>
>>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>>> hundreds
>>> each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased
>>> violence
>>> and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions
>>> in
>>> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.
>>>
>>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>>> who
>>> have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they represent
>>> the
>>> largest number of returnees since February 2006, when sectarian violence
>>> began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from Iraq.

>>
>>
>> Damn, YoYo, don't you even bother to read the articles you post?
>>
>> Syria is kicking out all the Iraqi refugees, other countries are doing
>> the same, the Iraqi refugees are running out of money and only a
>> fraction of the refugees are coming back.
>>
>> All that is in the first two paragraphs of the article.
>>
>> Some success.


So where is your news report citation of Syrian's actions?

The only information that googles up is that there are Iraqi refugees there.

So it looks like once again it's easier for a liberal to cite a lie than
accept the truth!

> No wonder the repub's almost always get it wrong. Not only do most
> exhibit a lack of reading comprehension skills, but they also fail to read
> the entire articles before posting them. I've noticed that in almost
> every instance, their take and take-away are based on a couple of lead
> paragraphs which they usually misinterpret (or cherry-picked excerpts, for
> which they are so famous). So desperate are they to spin a win, they jump
> to conclusions in support of their delusions.



The fact that violence is down in Iraq is fact. So while you morons here
whine about fictional issues (like the Syrian- Iraqi Refugees being kicked
out), do pay attention to this Sunday's political talk forums, They won't be
able to preclude successes in Iraq dialog lib!
 
"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:ljM1j.22988$lD6.5490@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
> How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact
> is, I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.


When's the last time 13 people were killed in a market in the USA? These
reports are coming out of Iraq daily since the war started. Where's the
success you neoclown's were talking about? Mission accomplished?

Iraq still a "cakewalk"?

>
> Care to deny that little factoid?


Yes.

>
> If you are honest, you won't even try.


How would you know anything about honesty? Everything that you type is a
****ing lie.

>
>
> "Filthy Democrat's Mangina" <me@me.com> wrote in message
> news:R1J1j.15434$9F1.2944@read1.cgocable.net...
>> More Voilence:
>> Bomb at Baghdad pet market kills 13
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071123/ts_nm/iraq_dc_9
>>
>> More theft by Bush's buddies:
>> Military probe focuses on Iraq contracts
>> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071123...eb_of_fraud;_ylt=Aq2ePYt_0fKNz5.tvh6tRpFI2ocA
>>
>> You can't even secure the green zone, no wonder Bush didn't show up with
>> a rubber turkey this year! In fact, no one from the White House has been
>> there lately!
>> US: Blasts Strike In Baghdad's Green Zone; No Fatalities
>> http://www.nasdaq.com/aspxcontent/N...CQDJON200711221342DOWJONESDJONLINE000649.htm&
>>
>> Love to hear it Moo Moo, care to comment?
>>
>> Didn't think so.
>>
>> "MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
>> news:D8I1j.22967$lD6.11645@newssvr27.news.prodigy.net...
>>> Yet reality proves them delusionally wrong. The only reason for their
>>> denials is their hatred of Bush and the political gamble they have
>>> invested in aligning themselves with the head-lopping terrorists.
>>>
>>> Which is why I no longer hold back labeling them the traitors they
>>> continually prove themselves to be!
>>>
>>> http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html
>>>
>>> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the
>>> hundreds each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of
>>> decreased violence and increased security, or compelled by visa and
>>> residency restrictions in neighboring countries and the depletion of
>>> their savings.
>>>
>>> Those returning make up only a tiny fraction of the 2.2 million Iraqis
>>> who have fled Iraq since the U.S.-led invasion in 2003. But they
>>> represent the largest number of returnees since February 2006, when
>>> sectarian violence began to rise dramatically, speeding the exodus from
>>> Iraq.
>>>
>>> Many find a Baghdad they no longer recognize, a city altered by blast
>>> walls and sectarian rifts. Under the improved security, Iraqis are
>>> gingerly testing how far their new liberties allow them to go. But they
>>> are also facing many barriers, geographical and psychological, hardened
>>> by violence and mistrust.
>>>
>>> Days after she returned from Syria, 23-year-old Melal al-Zubaidi and a
>>> friend went to the market on a pleasant night to eat ice cream. It was a
>>> short walk, yet unthinkable only a month ago for a woman in the capital.
>>> Still, her parents were nervous, and Zubaidi wore a head scarf and an
>>> ankle-length skirt to avoid angering Islamic extremists.
>>>
>>> The Zubaidis, a Shiite Muslim family, have yet to pass another boundary.
>>> When they fled Iraq five months ago, a Sunni family took over their
>>> large house in Dora, a sprawling neighborhood in southern Baghdad. When
>>> the Zubaidis returned this month, they were too scared to ask the new
>>> occupants to leave. So they rented a small apartment in Mashtal, a
>>> mostly Shiite district.
>>>
>>> "Security is better," said Melal al-Zubaidi, who has a degree in
>>> engineering. "But we still have fear inside ourselves."
>>>
>>> Over the past two months, the level of nearly every type of violence --
>>> car bombings, assassinations, suicide attacks -- has dropped from
>>> earlier this year. The downturn is a result of a confluence of factors:
>>> This year, 30,000 U.S. military reinforcements were funneled into
>>> Baghdad and other areas. Sunni tribes and insurgents turned against the
>>> al-Qaeda in Iraq insurgent group and partnered with U.S. forces to
>>> patrol neighborhoods and towns. Shiite cleric Moqtada al-Sadr, seeking
>>> to improve his movement's image, ordered his Mahdi Army militia to
>>> freeze operations.
>>>
>>> U.N. refugee officials estimate that 45,000 Iraqis returned from Syria
>>> last month, while Iraqi officials say 1,000 are arriving each day.
>>>
>>> The returnees find a capital that offers greater freedom of movement.
>>> Shops are open later in many neighborhoods, and curfews have been
>>> reduced.
>>>
>>> But those freedoms still come with constraints. Weddings, accompanied by
>>> honking cars and lively bands, are reappearing on the streets, but they
>>> still end before darkness falls. Visits to relatives and friends across
>>> Baghdad are more possible but still hinge on which group or sect
>>> controls each neighborhood. Some stores are selling alcohol, but
>>> fundamentalists watch for those who breach their codes.
>>>
>>> Luay Hashimi, 31, returned to his house in Dora with his wife and three
>>> young children last month after fleeing to Syria nine months ago. Since
>>> then, 11 other relatives who also had left for Syria -- Sunnis like
>>> him -- have come back, too.
>>>
>>> Hashimi no longer sees bodies in the street when he opens his front
>>> door. Sunni extremists no longer man checkpoints to search his vehicle
>>> for alcohol or signs of collaboration with the government or the
>>> Americans. Roads are being paved, and municipal workers are sprucing up
>>> parks and traffic circles. His patch of Dora is now a fortress,
>>> surrounded by tall blast walls that separate entire blocks.
>>>
>>> "It's totally secured," said Hashimi, who was an intelligence officer
>>> during the government of Saddam Hussein. But a few days ago, he drove
>>> across the main highway to another section of Dora. He felt a familiar
>>> fear. "You're lost there. You don't know who controls the area, Sunni or
>>> Shia, American soldiers or Iraqi security forces. It's still chaotic."
>>>
>>> He never drives on side streets, afraid of the unknown. On a recent day,
>>> he wanted to visit a Shiite friend in Amil, a district controlled by the
>>> Mahdi Army, whom he had not seen in a year. But his friend advised him
>>> not to come. Hashimi felt relief. "I'm afraid to go to Shiite areas," he
>>> said.
>>>
>>> Before Hashimi left Iraq, he used to pick up a friend every day from the
>>> mixed enclave of Bayaa and take him to the security firm where they both
>>> worked. But during his time in Syria, Shiite militias cleansed Bayaa of
>>> Sunnis. "It's impossible for me to go there now," he said.
>>>
>>> So he spends most of his days in his once-mixed neighborhood, now a
>>> mostly Sunni area. A nearby tea shop is open until 10 p.m., but all
>>> other shops close by 7 p.m. Under Hussein, they used to be open past
>>> midnight. The walled-off streets have squeezed the pool of customers.
>>> Electricity, Hashimi said, is still scarce.
>>>
>>> Kareem Sadi Haadi, a civil engineer, did not want to return to Baghdad.
>>> Nor did most of the Iraqis he knew in Syria. He and his family had
>>> escaped there five months after the U.S. invasion. But he ran out of
>>> money after two failed attempts to smuggle his family to Europe. Two
>>> weeks ago, they returned to Karrada, the mostly Shiite district where
>>> the family once lived.
>>>
>>> Today, they live in a rented apartment with furniture given to them by
>>> relatives. Haadi said he is shocked by Baghdad's metamorphosis -- the
>>> checkpoints, road closings, traffic jams, razor wire on buildings, and
>>> the blast walls.
>>>
>>> "Baghdad feels like a military base," said Haadi, 48, a Sunni. "Safety
>>> without these barriers is real safety."
>>>
>>> Although he has been back in the capital for two weeks, he has not yet
>>> seen his sister who lives in the mainly Shiite neighborhood of Alam,
>>> controlled by the Mahdi Army. She warned him that any stranger would be
>>> killed.
>>>
>>> "Security is when I can get in my car at 10 p.m. and drive to see my
>>> sister," Haadi said.
>>>
>>> Four days ago, gunmen kidnapped a man outside the house of Haadi's
>>> in-laws, also in Karrada.
>>>
>>> "We don't go outside Karrada," said his wife, Anwar Mahdi, 43. "Now I am
>>> afraid to go to my parents."
>>>
>>> As soon as they can save enough money, Haadi said, they hope to go back
>>> to Damascus. That could prove difficult. Syria now allows only Iraqis
>>> with special visas to enter.
>>>
>>> Melal al-Zubaidi is optimistic. When she fled to Syria, she was
>>> terrified to drive through Anbar province, where Sunni militants were
>>> pulling Shiites from buses and killing them. This time, the bus drove
>>> throughout the night.
>>>
>>> "That comforted me," Zubaidi said. "I expect that security will improve
>>> day by day. People are tired of conflict."
>>>
>>> Still, she has lines that she is not yet willing to cross. She has not
>>> visited her old university, fearing car bombs or kidnappings. In a
>>> nation where neighbors are often as close as relatives, Zubaidi is wary
>>> of trusting people in her community. "We're still afraid to meet new
>>> people," she said. "This district is still strange for me. . . . I don't
>>> want to take risks."
>>>
>>> She wonders when, or if, her family will return to Dora. Their old
>>> neighbors, all Sunnis, had phoned her parents, urging them to return.
>>> But they also told them that they were scared to ask the Sunni family to
>>> vacate their house.
>>>
>>> "People are saying Dora is better, but we're still afraid to go,"
>>> Zubaidi said. "We don't know that family's background."
>>>
>>> Her mother, who once ran a preschool in Dora, is worried over one of
>>> their former neighbors there. He encouraged them to leave their house
>>> because they were Shiites. And now he says he has a friend who wants to
>>> rent her preschool, now shuttered. He insists the area is too dangerous
>>> for the family to return.
>>>
>>> "He is always terrifying us. He told us there's always a storm after the
>>> calm," said Um Melal, which means mother of Melal, who said she feared
>>> having her name published. "We are suspicious. We can't go back,
>>> although other Sunnis are telling us to come back, and saying, 'We'll
>>> protect you.' "
>>>
>>> She said the improved security was not the only reason for returning to
>>> Iraq. She wanted to pick up her pension payments as well as winter
>>> clothes the family had stored away. Their Syrian residency permit has
>>> not expired.
>>>
>>> "The situation is much better, but it still feels soft, unsteady," Um
>>> Melal said. "Until now, we have not made a final decision to go back or
>>> stay. We're waiting to see what happens.
>>>
>>> "I expect Baghdad will come back sooner or later," she continued. "But
>>> that needs time. If you want to build a wall, it takes you 10 days. But
>>> if you want to demolish the wall, it takes you 10 minutes."
>>>
>>> Hashimi is worried that the wall could easily crumble. He recently
>>> applied to join the Iraqi police. But he doesn't trust the Shiite-led
>>> government to integrate Sunnis into the political system, the police and
>>> army. And what if the American troops leave?
>>>
>>> "Of course, if the political process is still the same, and the
>>> Americans withdraw from Dora, in a couple of days everything will
>>> collapse again."
>>>
>>>

>>
>>

>
>
 
"BibsBro" <BibsBro@taxachusetts.com> wrote in message
news:13keve9kcgb1n0f@news.supernews.com...
>
> Liberals embolden America's enemies. How sickening it is to hear Democrat
> politicians who sent our brave troops into harm way stab the military in

the
> back when things got rough.


No Democrat politicians "sent our brave troops into harm [sic] way". Only
the President of the United States is authorized to do that. You can try to
pin the tail on the donkey all you want, but thinking Americans and the rest
of the world know it is really an elephant tail. This is George Duhbya
Bush's war. He wanted it, he started it and now he doesn't know how to
finish it, so his neocon sycophants are doing their best to blame the
Democrats.

Sorry, but it won't work.
 
On Fri, 23 Nov 2007 19:32:46 -0600, Topaz
<mars1933@hotmail.com> wrote:

> The West is the White race


The west came from Africa, you dumb ****sucker
 
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:46:53 GMT, "MioMyo"
<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>It's amazing how liberals only want to see bad news.


It's amazing that dumb assholes like you don't see the
"good news" as something being used to try and spin, or
cover up the truth and facts about the bad news

the lies, the spin, the total ignorance of the power
structure in the mid east, the logical results of
removing a secular despot and replacing it with tribal
religious leaders in a volatile region, and the ensuing
coalescence of religious sentiments against western
invasiobn of Islamic nations.

"Good news" is a piss-poor attempt to ice disaster, you
dumb *******.
 
On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:49:53 GMT, "MioMyo"
<USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:

>How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact is,
>I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.


How many reports of "truth" existed to get us into war,
you moron?
 
The truth is you think you're an intellectual genius while the fact is
you're a hatefilled partisan moron. The separation between the two is only
your subjection distorted perception.

What does that have to do with your ignorant whines: before the war everyone
in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of WMD and
they said so. So did foreign countries, the UN etc. The fact that you now
want to blame it all on Bush exemplifies your partisan moron perception lib!

Another example below which you prefer to delete and ignore!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html

BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds
each day, by bus, car and plane, encouraged by weeks of decreased violence
and increased security, or compelled by visa and residency restrictions in
neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.


<Click@Knicklas.com> wrote in message
news:8pkgk355on5r5j2drpphqm37sibbo01ctd@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 24 Nov 2007 02:49:53 GMT, "MioMyo"
> <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote:
>
>>How many reports of violence in the USA could I find to report. The fact
>>is,
>>I could make America appear like a war zone too lib.

>
> How many reports of "truth" existed to get us into war,
> you moron?
>
 
"MioMyo" <USA_Patriot@Somewhere.com> wrote in message
news:mzY1j.1303$Dt4.1163@newssvr19.news.prodigy.net...
> The truth is you think you're an intellectual genius while the fact is
> you're a hatefilled partisan moron. The separation between the two is only
> your subjection distorted perception.
>
> What does that have to do with your ignorant whines: before the war

everyone
> in both parties and the world over though Saddam had enclaves of WMD and
> they said so. So did foreign countries, the UN etc. The fact that you now
> want to blame it all on Bush exemplifies your partisan moron perception

lib!
>
> Another example below which you prefer to delete and ignore!
>
>

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/11/22/AR2007112201568_pf.html
>
> BAGHDAD, Nov. 22 -- Iraqis are returning to their homeland by the hundreds
> each day, by bus, car and plane, compelled by visa and residency

restrictions in
> neighboring countries and the depletion of their savings.


There. Edited for greater accuracy.
 
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