Misquoting Jesus: The Story Behind Who Changed The Bible

[Codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

>
> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> I would also state that you don't know either.


At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
Apostles appealed
to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
At least I know that Paul made the same point during the jewish
council.
At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the same claim.
At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that the Messiah had to be born
into the world.
At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that Jesus fits
the description
of whom the previous talked about. Act of the Apostles
So are you telling me that you read the whole "New Testament" without
coming
across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading comprehension problem.
So do all evol-atheist-secular jerks.

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[Uncle Vic]

"Codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:

>>
>> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>
>> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
>
> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> Apostles appealed
> to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
> At least I know that Paul made the same point during the jewish
> council.
> At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the same claim.
> At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that the Messiah had to be born
> into the world.
> At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that Jesus fits
> the description
> of whom the previous talked about. Act of the Apostles
> So are you telling me that you read the whole "New Testament" without
> coming
> across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading comprehension problem.
> So do all evol-atheist-secular jerks.

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester

 

[abracadabra]

<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>
>> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
>
> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> Apostles appealed
> to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.

Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
something in "a bible" means nothing.

 

[Bill M]

<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>
>> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
>
> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> Apostles appealed
> to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
> At least I know that Paul made the same point during the jewish
> council.
> At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the same claim.
> At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that the Messiah had to be born
> into the world.
> At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that Jesus fits
> the description
> of whom the previous talked about. Act of the Apostles
> So are you telling me that you read the whole "New Testament" without
> coming
> across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading comprehension problem.
> So do all evol-atheist-secular jerks.
>

The critical thing you apparently do not know is that the Bibles are nothing
more than an odd collection
of myths, fables and implausible tales.

The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.



The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
supposedly written by 56 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions alone
and there is no way of knowing how far they have wondered from the
originals.



And there is no evidence that even the originals are facts instead of
fiction.


They are books of nonsense - no more authentic than Aesop's Fables, Alice in
Wonderland, the
Wizard of Oz and The Harry Potter tales.

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>
> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> > Apostles appealed
> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>
> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
> something in "a bible" means nothing.

Our book was written by Christians for Christians
Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
atheists. It was written by believers for believers. We understand why
you guys missed all the points and issues debated in it

 

[Free Lunch]

On 12 Feb 2007 16:30:56 -0800, in alt.atheism
"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in
<1171326655.975285.74490@p10g2000cwp.googlegroups.com>:
>On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>
>> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>
>> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>>
>> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
>> > Apostles appealed
>> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>>
>> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
>> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
>> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> Our book was written by Christians for Christians
> Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
>content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
>atheists.

Then why are so many Christians obsessed with evangelizing. Would it not
be easier to spread the Gospel if you didn't use a Bible that had
identifiable errors and did not teach religious doctrines that are
contrary to reality?

>It was written by believers for believers. We understand why
>you guys missed all the points and issues debated in it

Then you need to talk to the Christians who misuse the Bible in the way
you claim it isn't used. Good luck with that.

 

[cactus]

codebreaker@bigsecret.com wrote:
> On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>>>>
>>>> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>>>> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>>> I would also state that you don't know either.
>>> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
>>> Apostles appealed
>>> to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
>> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
>> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> Our book was written by Christians for Christians
> Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
> content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
> atheists. It was written by believers for believers. We understand why
> you guys missed all the points and issues debated in it
>
>
Then talk to yourselves and leave everyone else the hell alone.

 

[thedeviliam@hotmail.com]

Either the Bible is:
(A) credible, substantiated and without contradiction or
(B) a tool for idiots to feel better about death, justify personal
agendas and kill people

What a difficult decision...how could we know?

Oh wait, right, I'm not three years old. Nevermind.

Christians are too afraid to debate at:
http://debate.fgsfds.org/

 

[Jeckyl]

>> Our book was written by Christians for Christians
>> Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
>> content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
>> atheists. It was written by believers for believers.

Yes.. the new testament was.

The old testament was edited and compiled by christians.

Of course, that doesn't make it inerrant of course .. because it was indeed
written by people. It just makes it a useful tool for christians.
Especially as it has so many self-contradictoy passages, that a believer can
find whatever it is they want to find in there. Unfortunately for
believers, non-christians can do the same.

 

[weatherwax]

<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote
>
>
> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts
> of the Apostles appealed to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish
> that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah. At least I know that
> Paul made the same point during the jewish council.
> At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the
> same claim. At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that
> the Messiah had to be born into the world.
> At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that
> Jesus fits the description of whom the previous talked
> about. Act of the Apostles. So are you telling me that you
> read the whole "New Testament" without coming
> across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading
> comprehension problem. So do all evol-atheist-secular
> jerks.

Deuteronomy 18:15
The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet
like me from among you - from your fellow Israelites;
you must listen to him.

No reference to a messiah, a son of God, or to Jesus Christ in this passage.
Moses is merely telling the people that there will be some one else to lead
them after he is gone.

It shows how dishonest the author of the New Testament can be.

--Wax

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>
> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> > Apostles appealed
> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>
> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
> something in "a bible" means nothing.

Now how about reading from the Talmud, the book by Jesus enemies. Try
that.
I don't think anybody in his right mind would question the originality
of the Epistle to Galatians. The Author of the Qur'an, the guy who
analyzed and rebutted the Epistle to Galatians did not think it was
not ORIGINAL otherwise he wouldn't have wasted his time and energy to
rebuke it.
Again OUR BOOK was written by believers and for believers, not for
Atheists. The first Generation of believers did not have a book of New
Testament, yet they all had faith in one Savior that Moses foretold.
The point being that even If the whole New Testament turn out to be
nothing but a junk, Christianity would not die out. Sola Scriptura of
course will die out and not Christianity. **** YOU AAALLLLLL

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 12, 10:55 pm, "weatherwax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts
> > of the Apostles appealed to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish
> > that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah. At least I know that
> > Paul made the same point during the jewish council.
> > At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the
> > same claim. At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that
> > the Messiah had to be born into the world.
> > At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that
> > Jesus fits the description of whom the previous talked
> > about. Act of the Apostles. So are you telling me that you
> > read the whole "New Testament" without coming
> > across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading
> > comprehension problem. So do all evol-atheist-secular
> > jerks.
>
> Deuteronomy 18:15
> The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet
> like me from among you - from your fellow Israelites;
> you must listen to him.
>
> No reference to a messiah, a son of God, or to Jesus Christ in this passage.
> Moses is merely telling the people that there will be some one else to lead
> them after he is gone.
>
> It shows how dishonest the author of the New Testament can be.

And how dishonest the author of the Qur'an too because it is shown
that he developped in his book this Mosaic pronouncement at lengh.
**** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN



>
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[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 12, 8:56 pm, cactus <b...@nonespam.com> wrote:
> codebrea...@bigsecret.com wrote:
> > On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >>>>
> >>>> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> >>>> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
> >>>> I would also state that you don't know either.
> >>> At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> >>> Apostles appealed
> >>> to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
> >> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> >> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles. Reading
> >> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> > Our book was written by Christians for Christians
> > Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
> > content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
> > atheists. It was written by believers for believers. We understand why
> > you guys missed all the points and issues debated in it
>
> Then talk to yourselves and leave everyone else the hell alone.- Hide quoted text -


Hey Jewish boy, this is not Israel... Why don't you leave


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[abracadabra]

"codebreaker@bigsecret.com" <Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
news:1171375553.307650.80700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>>
>> news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> >>
>> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
>> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>>
>> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>>
>> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
>> > Apostles appealed
>> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>>
>> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
>> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles.
>> Reading
>> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> Now how about reading from the Talmud, the book by Jesus enemies. Try
> that.

I read lots of mythology as a kid, and I don't really have a need to read
any more mythology.

> I don't think anybody in his right mind would question the originality
> of the Epistle to Galatians. The Author of the Qur'an, the guy who
> analyzed and rebutted the Epistle to Galatians did not think it was
> not ORIGINAL otherwise he wouldn't have wasted his time and energy to
> rebuke it.
> Again OUR BOOK was written by believers and for believers, not for
> Atheists.

If you had read the New Testament, you'd know it was written for atheists as
well. Of course you're more of an atheist than I am - I don't profess to
know if any or all "gods" exist, but I'll bet real money that you don't
believe in any god but your own - you're an "atheist" to every god but one.

> The first Generation of believers did not have a book of New
> Testament, yet they all had faith in one Savior that Moses foretold.

Actually they had many faiths.

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 13, 12:33 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> "codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> news:1171375553.307650.80700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> >>news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> >> >>
> >> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> >> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> >> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
> >> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> >> > Apostles appealed
> >> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>
> >> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> >> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles.
> >> Reading
> >> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> > Now how about reading from the Talmud, the book by Jesus enemies. Try
> > that.
>
> I read lots of mythology as a kid, and I don't really have a need to read
> any more mythology.
>
> > I don't think anybody in his right mind would question the originality
> > of the Epistle to Galatians. The Author of the Qur'an, the guy who
> > analyzed and rebutted the Epistle to Galatians did not think it was
> > not ORIGINAL otherwise he wouldn't have wasted his time and energy to
> > rebuke it.
> > Again OUR BOOK was written by believers and for believers, not for
> > Atheists.
>
> If you had read the New Testament, you'd know it was written for atheists as
> well. Of course you're more of an atheist than I am - I don't profess to


Luke wrote his book for Theophulus so that he may know the veracity of
the teaching
handed down to him.
Through Teopholus it is the whole community of believers who are
concerned
by this book and not the doomed atheists.

MAY YOU PERISH ALL. DOWN WITH THE LEFT, THE DEMO-CRAPS


> know if any or all "gods" exist, but I'll bet real money that you don't
> believe in any god but your own - you're an "atheist" to every god but one.
>
> > The first Generation of believers did not have a book of New
> > Testament, yet they all had faith in one Savior that Moses foretold.
>
> Actually they had many faiths.- Hide quoted text -


Show the historical evidence.

One says I am of Peter, another I am of Bernabus and another I am of
Paul
What! Is Christ/Messiah divided? or Is Peter crucified for you? Paul

Dear Evol-atheist-conspirator there is but one Lord Jesus as the
Christ and not
many, therefore many faith is just your imagination

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[panamfloyd@hotmail.com]

On Feb 13, 1:23 pm, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
<Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
> On Feb 13, 12:33 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > "codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> >news:1171375553.307650.80700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> > >>news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > >> >>
> > >> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> > >> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> > >> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
> > >> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> > >> > Apostles appealed
> > >> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>
> > >> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> > >> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles.
> > >> Reading
> > >> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> > > Now how about reading from the Talmud, the book by Jesus enemies. Try
> > > that.
>
> > I read lots of mythology as a kid, and I don't really have a need to read
> > any more mythology.
>
> > > I don't think anybody in his right mind would question the originality
> > > of the Epistle to Galatians. The Author of the Qur'an, the guy who
> > > analyzed and rebutted the Epistle to Galatians did not think it was
> > > not ORIGINAL otherwise he wouldn't have wasted his time and energy to
> > > rebuke it.
> > > Again OUR BOOK was written by believers and for believers, not for
> > > Atheists.
>
> > If you had read the New Testament, you'd know it was written for atheists as
> > well. Of course you're more of an atheist than I am - I don't profess to
>
> Luke wrote his book for Theophulus so that he may know the veracity of
> the teaching
> handed down to him.
> Through Teopholus it is the whole community of believers who are
> concerned
> by this book and not the doomed atheists.
>
> MAY YOU PERISH ALL. DOWN WITH THE LEFT, THE DEMO-CRAPS
>
> > know if any or all "gods" exist, but I'll bet real money that you don't
> > believe in any god but your own - you're an "atheist" to every god but one.
>
> > > The first Generation of believers did not have a book of New
> > > Testament, yet they all had faith in one Savior that Moses foretold.
>
> > Actually they had many faiths.- Hide quoted text -
>
> Show the historical evidence.

snip

http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/

But I suspect an idiot like you will deny the evidence. Your little
dead-jew-on-a-stick never existed.

-Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
EAC Martian Commander
Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
"..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
-Mark Twain

Religious societies are less moral than secular ones:
http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html

 

[jem]

On 13 Feb 2007 06:08:53 -0800, "codebreaker@bigsecret.com"
<Codebreaker@bigsecret.com> wrote:

>On Feb 12, 10:55 pm, "weatherwax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts
>> > of the Apostles appealed to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish
>> > that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah. At least I know that
>> > Paul made the same point during the jewish council.
>> > At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the
>> > same claim. At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that
>> > the Messiah had to be born into the world.
>> > At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that
>> > Jesus fits the description of whom the previous talked
>> > about. Act of the Apostles. So are you telling me that you
>> > read the whole "New Testament" without coming
>> > across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading
>> > comprehension problem. So do all evol-atheist-secular
>> > jerks.
>>
>> Deuteronomy 18:15
>> The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet
>> like me from among you - from your fellow Israelites;
>> you must listen to him.
>>
>> No reference to a messiah, a son of God, or to Jesus Christ in this passage.
>> Moses is merely telling the people that there will be some one else to lead
>> them after he is gone.
>>
>> It shows how dishonest the author of the New Testament can be.
>
>And how dishonest the author of the Qur'an too because it is shown
>that he developped in his book this Mosaic pronouncement at lengh.
>**** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN
>

You should get some help with that hostiliity.
Why are you so touchy when somebody criticizes your mythical hero or
his fiction writers or his frothing supporters?

Maybe you should try a different author, it might calm you.
Try some Daniel Dennet, he's pretty gentle.
>
>
>>
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>

 

[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 13, 1:54 pm, panamfl...@hotmail.com wrote:
> On Feb 13, 1:23 pm, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
> > On Feb 13, 12:33 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > "codebrea...@bigsecret.com" <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> > >news:1171375553.307650.80700@j27g2000cwj.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > > On Feb 12, 4:27 pm, "abracadabra" <a...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote in message
>
> > > >>news:1171310111.284595.50290@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > >> >>
> > > >> >> I would readily admit that I don't know what it is at stake in the
> > > >> >> Bible or in the whole affair regarding Jesus.
>
> > > >> >> I would also state that you don't know either.
>
> > > >> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts of the
> > > >> > Apostles appealed
> > > >> > to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah.
>
> > > >> Which version of the New Testament? Most versions rely on texts that are
> > > >> questionable. None are based on original writings of the Apostles.
> > > >> Reading
> > > >> something in "a bible" means nothing.
>
> > > > Now how about reading from the Talmud, the book by Jesus enemies. Try
> > > > that.
>
> > > I read lots of mythology as a kid, and I don't really have a need to read
> > > any more mythology.
>
> > > > I don't think anybody in his right mind would question the originality
> > > > of the Epistle to Galatians. The Author of the Qur'an, the guy who
> > > > analyzed and rebutted the Epistle to Galatians did not think it was
> > > > not ORIGINAL otherwise he wouldn't have wasted his time and energy to
> > > > rebuke it.
> > > > Again OUR BOOK was written by believers and for believers, not for
> > > > Atheists.
>
> > > If you had read the New Testament, you'd know it was written for atheists as
> > > well. Of course you're more of an atheist than I am - I don't profess to
>
> > Luke wrote his book for Theophulus so that he may know the veracity of
> > the teaching
> > handed down to him.
> > Through Teopholus it is the whole community of believers who are
> > concerned
> > by this book and not the doomed atheists.
>
> > MAY YOU PERISH ALL. DOWN WITH THE LEFT, THE DEMO-CRAPS
>
> > > know if any or all "gods" exist, but I'll bet real money that you don't
> > > believe in any god but your own - you're an "atheist" to every god but one.
>
> > > > The first Generation of believers did not have a book of New
> > > > Testament, yet they all had faith in one Savior that Moses foretold.
>
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> > Show the historical evidence.
>
> snip
>
> http://home.earthlink.net/~pgwhacker/ChristianOrigins/
>
> But I suspect an idiot like you will deny the evidence. Your little
> dead-jew-on-a-stick never existed.


Now pagan ritual is a historical fact. now that rabbish that you post
is the ultimate evidence.Hmmmmmmm...
Question: What evidence is there that this link meets the requirement
needed
for something to become an evidence?
Now here is what you missed. The historical fact regarding Christ
death and resurrection give meaning to paganism symbolism hence the
inclusion that Paul debated against Jewish doctors of the Law. In
another word Christ lurred
pagans from polytheism into the Monotheism, the worship of One God
of Israel. For anything, there is meaning, grasp the meaning and leave
the rest alone.
YOU SECUALR-EVOL-ATHEISTIC COALTION ARE AT A LOSS on this.
Your analytical exegesis is poor. As soon as you see similarity
instead of investigating to underline the meaning behind something.
You just rush to conclusion.
yelling, "We have all figured out, it is pagan or this or that"
YOUR KNOWLEDGE IS LAUGHABLE



>
> -Panama Floyd, Atlanta.
> aa#2015, Member Knights of BAAWA!
> EAC Martian Commander
> Plonked by Kadaitcha Man, Sep 06
> "..the prayer cloth of one aeon is the doormat of the next."
> -Mark Twain
>
> Religious societies are less moral than secular ones:http://moses.creighton.edu/JRS/2005/2005-11.html- Hide quoted text -




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[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 13, 6:14 pm, jem <A0054...@airmail.net> wrote:
> On 13 Feb 2007 06:08:53 -0800, "codebrea...@bigsecret.com"
>
>
>
>
>
> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote:
> >On Feb 12, 10:55 pm, "weatherwax" <weather...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
> >> <Codebrea...@bigsecret.com> wrote
>
> >> > At least I know that the Apostles as reported in the Acts
> >> > of the Apostles appealed to Moses Deut 18:15 to establish
> >> > that Jesus was the Christ/Messiah. At least I know that
> >> > Paul made the same point during the jewish council.
> >> > At least I know that the author of the Qur'an made the
> >> > same claim. At least I know from the Jewish Oracle that
> >> > the Messiah had to be born into the world.
> >> > At least I know from the Testimonies of the Apostles that
> >> > Jesus fits the description of whom the previous talked
> >> > about. Act of the Apostles. So are you telling me that you
> >> > read the whole "New Testament" without coming
> >> > across this? Hmmmmmmmm.... You may have reading
> >> > comprehension problem. So do all evol-atheist-secular
> >> > jerks.
>
> >> Deuteronomy 18:15
> >> The LORD your God will raise up for you a prophet
> >> like me from among you - from your fellow Israelites;
> >> you must listen to him.
>
> >> No reference to a messiah, a son of God, or to Jesus Christ in this passage.
> >> Moses is merely telling the people that there will be some one else to lead
> >> them after he is gone.
>
> >> It shows how dishonest the author of the New Testament can be.
>
> >And how dishonest the author of the Qur'an too because it is shown
> >that he developped in his book this Mosaic pronouncement at lengh.
> >**** YOU AND PLONK AGAIN
>
> You should get some help with that hostiliity.

Whatever, jerk.
A bunch of atheistic jerks sit on their MONKEY asses and try to
lectur us on things
they are clueless about. HOW DARE!
If you don't know Moses foretold Christ/Messiah how good is that
reading of the Bible?
If you don't know the point Peter made in front of the Children of
Isreal, why don't
you just leave the whole issue alone.
If you can't make sense of Stephen speech before the Sanhedrin, why do
you keep bragging about how smart you are?
If you don't know the point being made in the Qur'an in connection to
Christ + Moses Law and you are unable to track it back to the
council of Jerusalem, why don't you just shut up?
Down with you all


> Why are you so touchy when somebody criticizes your mythical hero or
> his fiction writers or his frothing supporters?
>
> Maybe you should try a different author, it might calm you.
> Try some Daniel Dennet, he's pretty gentle.
>
>
>
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[codebreaker@bigsecret.com]

On Feb 12, 9:21 pm, "Jeckyl" <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
> >> Our book was written by Christians for Christians
> >> Those for whom it was written did not have any problem with its
> >> content. This book did not fall from the sky to make convert among
> >> atheists. It was written by believers for believers.
>
> Yes.. the new testament was.
>
> The old testament was edited and compiled by christians.

Your claim has no basis in History. When the Babylonian Canon
of the Jewish Scriptures was established, Christian had no say in
the Jewih internal affair. Jew dicided in Babylon and in Palestine
which book to include in their Canons. It is wise not to talk
things you are not sure



>
> Of course, that doesn't make it inerrant of course .. because it was indeed
> written by people. It just makes it a useful tool for christians.

The Law/Torah was not written by people. Can't you read?
It was dictated at Sinai. This is the divine Law and the words of God


> Especially as it has so many self-contradictoy passages, that a believer can

You are assuming that only the New Testament makes up the Bible
You are wrong again

> find whatever it is they want to find in there. Unfortunately for
> believers, non-christians can do the same.

You can wish king Cirus was the Christ, that would not work because
it would not be guranteed in Heaven. It would just turn out to be
a wishful thinking