My talk with a Canadian Doctor

Chi

Chi

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More people than not love their private insurance in America. No, it is not perfect but nothing is.

You see how that works both ways?

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Um, no. Many people avoid going to the doctor because it is so expensive, even with insurance (me and a lot of others.) Many people can't even afford insurance in the first place (that was also me for a long time at my old job and many others that I know.) People not having insurance costs a lot more in the long run.

And yeah, there is always going to the emergency room... :rolleyes: You know how backwards and what a waste of money and resources that is when it isn't truly an emergency and when people are never going to be able to pay for that??

Everything else you said is bs. Just something you believe that is greatly exaggerrated for you and others with your mindset to push to further your outlook. It's nothing but fear and just going against everything that Obama and his administration come up with.

 
Chi

Chi

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Also, out of curiosity, what is this Canadian doctor's name? I'm surprised you didn't mention one at all, not even a first name. And how are you building him a building for his practice? I thought you were in sales and/or working with something to do with cooling & heating or something like that?

You can't blame my doubt, you do like pulling off so-called "experiments" and what not. It also sounds a bit like you are trying to one up Emkay since you couldn't argue successfully with someone who has first hand experience on the issue.

 
Ahhlee

Ahhlee

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Also, out of curiosity, what is this Canadian doctor's name? I'm surprised you didn't mention one at all, not even a first name. And how are you building him a building for his practice? I thought you were in sales and/or working with something to do with cooling & heating or something like that?
You can't blame my doubt, you do like pulling off so-called "experiments" and what not. It also sounds a bit like you are trying to one up Emkay since you couldn't argue successfully with someone who has first hand experience on the issue.
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You did shoot down emkay's personal experience as "lies", TJ. If you are going to debase her personal experiences as falsehoods, why should your own be accepted as gospel?

Just something to consider.

 
snafu

snafu

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Maybe this doctor wants anominity. I'm sure he would just love for TJ to plaster his name all over the board.
 
phreakwars

phreakwars

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10 Myths About Canadian Health Care, Busted | Physicians for a National Health Program

TJ said:

First of all, doctors in Canada do not make much money, they are forced to accept whatever compensation the Government thinks is reasonable for each service.
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Well, there is this governemnt site report that says different:

http://archive.gao.gov/d20t9/144039.pdf

The two nations have certain common features that make Canada?sexperience relevant for the United States. Although it is not identical to

the United States, Canada probably comes closer to sharing certain U.S.

characteristics than any other industrialized country. First, it does not

have a socialized system of delivering medical care. Rather, most health

resources in Canada are in the private sector. It is a system whereby a

third party pays private providers. Second, most physicians are independent

and earn their incomes by fee-for-service. Ninety-five percent


of Canadian doctors work for themselves, not for the government.

Finally, 90 percent of hospitals are private, nonprofit corporations,

exceptions being federally owned and operated veterans? hospitals and

provincial psychiatric hospitals.
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And TONS of other sites that say TJ is full of it..

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phreakwars

phreakwars

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Most of the doctors in Turkey work for themselves, but THE GOVERNMENT SETS WHAT THEY CAN CHARGE.
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Ain't nothing wrong with that. Prevents them from charging ridiculous charges. If they don't like it, then they can be a private practitioner..

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Old Salt

Old Salt

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Ain't nothing wrong with that. Prevents them from charging ridiculous charges. If they don't like it, then they can be a private practitioner..

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Those ARE the private practitioners.
 
ImWithStupid

ImWithStupid

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Those ARE the private practitioners.
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It's the same in Canada. The government says what they will pay the doctors, just like Medicare here, that you and I offset the cost of lower government rates, by paying more.

That's why prescription drugs are cheap in Canada. The government says what can be charged, and also why none of the new drugs or cutting edge breakthroughs in medicine, that help people come from single payer, government controlled, health care countries.

 
phreakwars

phreakwars

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http://www.fraserinstitute.org/commerce.web/product_files/HowGoodisCanadianHealthCare2008.pdf
This is written BY A CANADIAN regarding why their system is no good. I would direct your attention to page 86 (the study conclusion).

I don't believe TJ's little tall tale, but take the time to read the above article.
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Good find, it's easy to see why one would make Canada their "BAD SOCIALIST SYSTEM" target of choice when trying to knock a public option. In comparison to the other public health countries, Canada sux. I'm guessing the reason being, is Canada has alot more greedy Dr's who would rather come to the states.. just a short hop over the border. Check out this from page 89. Also note where Turkey ranks. Where does America rank in # of Dr's per 1000? 3.3

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Page 59, also has some interesting data as well.

Here's America BTW

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Here's something else interesting.

Health care spending in Canada is projected to reach $160 billion, or 10.6% of GDP, in 2007. This is slightly above the average for OECD countries, and substantially below the 15.2% of GDP taken by up healthcare in the United States.
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phreakwars

phreakwars

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Here's something interesting,which also ties into the above data.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wCvsrJ1QF60]YouTube - What is the Happiest Country on Earth -- And Why?[/ame]

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timesjoke

timesjoke

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You did shoot down emkay's personal experience as "lies", TJ. If you are going to debase her personal experiences as falsehoods, why should your own be accepted as gospel?
Just something to consider.
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I never said her words were lies, I said she was not being fair to the situation and also offered that her small exposures were not wide enough to discount the massive flood of information that did not agree with her. I offered as example my own circles are similar to emkay's, nobody I directly know has ever had a problem getting medical care so if we are only going to allow personal exposures into the discussion would it be reasonable for me to claim America's system is perfect and nobody falls through the cracks? Everything is perfect with our healthcare because my circles are well cared for?

I don't think so, there is a larger truth, even if some folks are too traped in self-defensive modes to publically admit them.

Did you even click any of the links I offered?

As far as naming the doctor, I do not believe his name is relivant, those of you who are in love with Obama no matter what I post, I am sure flaming the doctor will follow the second he is named and that is not the subject, just another way to derail discussion away from the real topic.

The Government sets the pay schedule, they even decide where a new doctor can set up practice by saying they "need" doctors 'here' and if the doctor refuses to locate where they tell him to he cannot get any Government funds.

 
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