Re: Definition of God

[Dan Wood]

"Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
> >
> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>
> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs to
> read the Christian bible.
> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
> killer.
>
>
> >
> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent
> >>people.
> >
> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>
> And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
>
> >
> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
> >
> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or did
> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
> >
No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.

Dan
>
> --
> Steve O
> a.a. #2240
> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the
way
> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"
>
>
>

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:07:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:

>
>"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
>snip
>>>
>> In other words you can make false slanderous statements in a newsgroup
>> with impunity. If you were worth anything I might be inclined to test it.
>
>Oh brother. You need to go to alt.religion.christian.baptist and look up
>one john "porno boy" weathery. He's also fond of threatening people with
>law suits - And sounds just slightly a bit more stupid than you do.

Remember, this is the sanctimonious hypocrite who hid behind accusing
others of moral depravity rather than address his own fallacies when
they were pointed out.

 

[Dan Wood]

"Your Logic Tutor" <ylt...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> lied
>
> > Christ said he was going to reform the Old Testament
>
> What was actually said:
>
> Matthew 5:17
> [ The Fulfillment of the Law ] "Do not think that I have come to abolish
the
> Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them."
>
I don't know what this means to you. You certainlly did not explain
your views. Christ came to fulfill rather than destroy. What did this
mean and why did he do it?
In what way did Christ fulfill the Law and the Prophets? What
was the effect of the fulfillment?

Regards,
Dan Wood
>

 

[mejercit@hotmail.com]

Dan Wood wrote:
> "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> > news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
> > >
> > > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
> > > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
> > > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
> >
> > To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs to
> > read the Christian bible.
> > The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
> > killer.
> >
> >
> > >
> > >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
> > >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent
> > >>people.
> > >
> > > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
> >
> > And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
> >
> > >
> > > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
> > > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
> > >
> > You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
> > The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or did
> > you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
> > >
> No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
> New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.
So why did not God fully explain Himself on Mount Sinai?


Michael

 

[Dan Wood]

"Christopher A. Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 11:07:59 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
> <witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >snip
> >>>
> >> In other words you can make false slanderous statements in a newsgroup
> >> with impunity. If you were worth anything I might be inclined to test
it.
> >
> >Oh brother. You need to go to alt.religion.christian.baptist and look up
> >one john "porno boy" weathery. He's also fond of threatening people with
> >law suits - And sounds just slightly a bit more stupid than you do.
>
> Remember, this is the sanctimonious hypocrite who hid behind accusing
> others of moral depravity rather than address his own fallacies when
> they were pointed out.
>
That was the problem Chris assumed a position of superiority
(or it seemed to me) and presumed to tell me or point out
what he/she decreed were my fallacies.
That is why I considered this pontificating. On occasions I
believed we were essentially saying the same thing.

Chris, otoh, thought we were miles apart. One example:
in applying the laws of physics we can go to go back to
Planck Time. But, where we disagreed, imho, was the
period beyond Planck Time. My position was that while
some kind of physics was at work during this epoch i.e.
T0 - 10^-43 secs. This was were no modern laws of
physics as we understand them.

Dan

 

[thepossibilities]

mejercit@hotmail.com wrote:
> Steve O wrote:
> > "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> > news:44fc09fb.2847125@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> > > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 11:21:54 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >>Anyone who follows a psychotic God must be a little psychotic, at least, I
> > >>reckon.
> > >
> > > It's good to be back on topic again.
> > >
> > > Define "psychotic God". It sounds like an oxymoron.
> > >
> > > Also, convince us you are not projecting.
> >
> > A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God, particularly
> > as described in the Old Testament.
> > A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent people.
> >
> He killed those people to show His power.
>
>
> Michael

i think God created the flood to teach all those non-believers a lesson

 

[Steve O]

"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
> news:4m3c5oF4boucU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
>> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
>> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >
>> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
>> >
>> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
>> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
>> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>>
>> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs to
>> read the Christian bible.
>> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
>> killer.
>>
>>
>> >
>> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
>> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent
>> >>people.
>> >
>> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>>
>> And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
>>
>> >
>> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
>> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
>> >

You seem to know less about your own religion than the average atheist here.
That happens a lot.
If, according to your book of myths, Jesus is part of the trinity, and is
also God whilst at the same time being manifested as a man, that would make
him the same God as the Old Testament God, would it not?
BTW, don't blame me for the confusion, it is your crazy book which throws up
all of these sorts of problems.

>> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
>> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or did
>> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
>> >

> No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
> New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.

So you agree that Jesus is the same killer God described in the Old
Testament, then?
Or, perhaps do you differ from Christian doctrine because you believe Jesus
was not fully man and God?
Which is it?


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Dan Wood]

"Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
> > news:4m3c5oF4boucU1@individual.net...
> >>
> >> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> >> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> >> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> >> > wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
> >> >
> >> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
> >> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
> >> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
> >>
> >> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs
to
> >> read the Christian bible.
> >> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
> >> killer.
> >>
> >>
> >> >
> >> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
> >> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent
> >> >>people.
> >> >
> >> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
> >>
> >> And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
> >>
> >> >
> >> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
> >> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
> >> >
>
> You seem to know less about your own religion than the average atheist
here.
> That happens a lot.
> If, according to your book of myths, Jesus is part of the trinity, and is
> also God whilst at the same time being manifested as a man, that would
make
> him the same God as the Old Testament God, would it not?
> BTW, don't blame me for the confusion, it is your crazy book which throws
up
> all of these sorts of problems.
>
> >> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
> >> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or
did
> >> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
> >> >
>
> > No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
> > New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.
>
> So you agree that Jesus is the same killer God described in the Old
> Testament, then?
> Or, perhaps do you differ from Christian doctrine because you believe
Jesus
> was not fully man and God?
> Which is it?
>
I think there was a great deal of misunderstanding and miscomprehension
of the essence of God in the Old Testament. God didn't change, our
perceptions of God changed in the New Testament.

Dan
>
> --
> Steve O
> a.a. #2240
> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the
way
> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"
>
>
>

 

[Steve O]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:12:48 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>>>>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
>
>>> Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
>>> you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
>>> are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>
>>To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs to
>>read the Christian bible.
>
> So you DO imagine that you can read my mind, eh.

Not in the least.
Why would you think that?
>
> That is not my God. Do strive to understand that.

You do not believe in the God of the Old Testament?
Congratulations - you are on your way towards returning to sanity.
It would be a shame if you believed in some other strange God, though.



>
>>The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
>>killer.
>
> More leftist queer whining.

I am neither leftist nor queer.
I suspect you are projecting.
And please explain to me WTF the Old testament has to do with political
beliefs or sexual preferences?
Why do you people always associate a lack of a belief in a God or Gods with
either politics or sex?


>
>>> That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>
>>And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
>
> The God of the Old Textament is not the same as the God of the New
> Testament.

Really?
So there are TWO different Gods then?


>
>>> The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
>>> Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
>
>>You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
>>The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or did
>>you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
>
> Christ happened. He said he was going to reform the Old Testament,
> which he did. It is you who is confused about which God you are
> talking about.
>

I am not in the least confused.
If you nbelieve that the Old Testament God and the New Testament God are two
different entities, then it is you who is confused, not me.
Please read your bible again.
Nowhere does it claim that your God changed identities between testaments.

>>"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the
>>way
>>that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"
>
> In your case, I would not count on it.
>

Neither would I, considering that God is a figment of the imagination.


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Steve O]

<mejercit@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Bob wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 20:12:48 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
>>
>> >> Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
>> >> you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
>> >> are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>>
>> >To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs
>> >to
>> >read the Christian bible.
>>
>> So you DO imagine that you can read my mind, eh.
>>
>> That is not my God. Do strive to understand that.
>>
>> >The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and wrathful
>> >killer.
>>
>> More leftist queer whining.
>>
>> >> That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>>
>> >And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
>>
>> The God of the Old Textament is not the same as the God of the New
>> Testament.
> Jesus Christ said otherwise.
>
These people are so confused, they don't even understand the basic tenets of
their own faith


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Steve O]

"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>> >
>> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4m3c5oF4boucU1@individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
>> >> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
>> >> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
>> >> >
>> >> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me. If
>> >> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless you
>> >> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>> >>
>> >> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one needs
> to
>> >> read the Christian bible.
>> >> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and
>> >> wrathful
>> >> killer.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
>> >> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and innocent
>> >> >>people.
>> >> >
>> >> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>> >>
>> >> And that God is different from the Christian God in what way,exactly?
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy named
>> >> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
>> >> >
>>
>> You seem to know less about your own religion than the average atheist
> here.
>> That happens a lot.
>> If, according to your book of myths, Jesus is part of the trinity, and is
>> also God whilst at the same time being manifested as a man, that would
> make
>> him the same God as the Old Testament God, would it not?
>> BTW, don't blame me for the confusion, it is your crazy book which throws
> up
>> all of these sorts of problems.
>>
>> >> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
>> >> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament, or
> did
>> >> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
>> >> >
>>
>> > No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
>> > New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.
>>
>> So you agree that Jesus is the same killer God described in the Old
>> Testament, then?
>> Or, perhaps do you differ from Christian doctrine because you believe
> Jesus
>> was not fully man and God?
>> Which is it?
>>
> I think there was a great deal of misunderstanding and miscomprehension
> of the essence of God in the Old Testament. God didn't change, our
> perceptions of God changed in the New Testament.
>
Now wait a minute, if the bible is supposed to be the word of God, both old
and new, how can God, who is supposed to be infallible, make the mistake of
misrepresenting his own essence in the old Testament.?
Are you saying here that God is infallible, or are you saying that you do
not believe that the bible is the word of God?
Do you see now how crazy doctrines like this are taken with a pinch of salt
by atheists?
None of it holds up to any real scrutiny at all.


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Bob]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:30:58 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
wrote:

>Do you see now how crazy doctrines like this are taken with a pinch of salt
>by atheists?
>None of it holds up to any real scrutiny at all.

Neither does anything the atheist believes.


--

"There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress."
--Mark Twain

 

[Bob]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:05:58 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
wrote:

>You do not believe in the God of the Old Testament?

No. That is a myth.

>It would be a shame if you believed in some other strange God, though.

OK, then I won't believe in any strange Gods. The God of Existential
Metaphysics (aka "Scholastic Philosophy"), known as the Supreme Being,
is not strange at all.

>So there are TWO different Gods then?

There are as many Gods as there are definitions of God.

That's what this thread is all about - to show that God is whatever
you want to define it as - if you can define what you mean by God at
all.

When atheists claim that God does not exist, the first thing I ask is
for them to define this God they claim does not exist. If they can't,
then they are not claiming any more than pink elephants don't exist.

Can you define the God you claim does not exist? Or is it a pink
elephant too?

>considering that God is a figment of the imagination.

Is that the pink elephant God?


--

"There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress."
--Mark Twain

 

[Bob]

On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:07:54 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
wrote:

>These people are so confused, they don't even understand the basic tenets of
>their own faith

No more confused than atheists.


--

"There is no distinctly native American criminal class save Congress."
--Mark Twain

 

[Dan Wood]

"Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> >
> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
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> >>
> >> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:nXgLg.24101$ry2.5506@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
> >> >
> >> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
> >> > news:4m3c5oF4boucU1@individual.net...
> >> >>
> >> >> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
> >> >> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> >> >> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> >> >> > wrote:
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me.
If
> >> >> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless
you
> >> >> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
> >> >>
> >> >> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one
needs
> > to
> >> >> read the Christian bible.
> >> >> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and
> >> >> wrathful
> >> >> killer.
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
> >> >> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and
innocent
> >> >> >>people.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
> >> >>
> >> >> And that God is different from the Christian God in what
way,exactly?
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy
named
> >> >> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
> >> >> >
> >>
> >> You seem to know less about your own religion than the average atheist
> > here.
> >> That happens a lot.
> >> If, according to your book of myths, Jesus is part of the trinity, and
is
> >> also God whilst at the same time being manifested as a man, that would
> > make
> >> him the same God as the Old Testament God, would it not?
> >> BTW, don't blame me for the confusion, it is your crazy book which
throws
> > up
> >> all of these sorts of problems.
> >>
> >> >> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
> >> >> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament,
or
> > did
> >> >> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
> >> >> >
> >>
> >> > No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
> >> > New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.
> >>
> >> So you agree that Jesus is the same killer God described in the Old
> >> Testament, then?
> >> Or, perhaps do you differ from Christian doctrine because you believe
> > Jesus
> >> was not fully man and God?
> >> Which is it?
> >>
> > I think there was a great deal of misunderstanding and miscomprehension
> > of the essence of God in the Old Testament. God didn't change, our
> > perceptions of God changed in the New Testament.
> >
> Now wait a minute, if the bible is supposed to be the word of God, both
old
> and new, how can God, who is supposed to be infallible, make the mistake
of
> misrepresenting his own essence in the old Testament.?
> Are you saying here that God is infallible, or are you saying that you do
> not believe that the bible is the word of God?
> Do you see now how crazy doctrines like this are taken with a pinch of
salt
> by atheists?
> None of it holds up to any real scrutiny at all.
>
Actually I do not. Based upon your questions and statements you
do not understand the difference between the Old and the
New Testaments, or why the New Testament was necessary.
>
> --
> Steve O
> a.a. #2240
> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the
way
> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"
>
>
>
>

 

[herb z]

Dan Wood wrote:
>
>
[...]
>
> I'm going to turn over a new leaf. No more returning insults to those
> who insult me. In the future I will attempt to carry on a civil, forthright
> even friendly discourse. Insults only cloud the issue preventing honest
> and sincere discussions.
>
> I hope you've had a wonderful day,
> Dan

Bravo, Dr. Dan. This is a better argument for Christianity
than any of the crap I've been reading here in sci.logic
recently, or anywhere else for that matter.

Good luck to you.

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[Steve O]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:44fddb76.25816390@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 20:30:58 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>>Do you see now how crazy doctrines like this are taken with a pinch of
>>salt
>>by atheists?
>>None of it holds up to any real scrutiny at all.
>
> Neither does anything the atheist believes.

Stop talking nonsense and get yourself educated , will you?
As an atheist, I believe that the earth revolves around the sun.
That is something which certainly holds up to scrutiny.
So you are wrong there.
As for my other beliefs, how the hell would YOU know what they are?


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Steve O]

"Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
news:44fddba5.25863359@news-server.houston.rr.com...
> On Tue, 5 Sep 2006 19:05:58 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
> wrote:
>
>>You do not believe in the God of the Old Testament?
>
> No. That is a myth.

Which God do you believe in then?
Please clarify.

>
>>It would be a shame if you believed in some other strange God, though.
>
> OK, then I won't believe in any strange Gods. The God of Existential
> Metaphysics (aka "Scholastic Philosophy"), known as the Supreme Being,
> is not strange at all.
>
>>So there are TWO different Gods then?
>
> There are as many Gods as there are definitions of God.
>
> That's what this thread is all about - to show that God is whatever
> you want to define it as - if you can define what you mean by God at
> all.
>
> When atheists claim that God does not exist, the first thing I ask is
> for them to define this God they claim does not exist. If they can't,
> then they are not claiming any more than pink elephants don't exist.
>
> Can you define the God you claim does not exist? Or is it a pink
> elephant too?
>
>>considering that God is a figment of the imagination.
>
> Is that the pink elephant God?

Both


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Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Steve O]

"Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
> news:4m61jvF4phnaU1@individual.net...
>>
>> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:uZiLg.24118$ry2.16574@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >
>> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
>> > news:4m5rfqF4ndv5U1@individual.net...
>> >>
>> >> "Dan Wood" <danwood34@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:nXgLg.24101$ry2.5506@bignews3.bellsouth.net...
>> >> >
>> >> > "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com> wrote in message
>> >> > news:4m3c5oF4boucU1@individual.net...
>> >> >>
>> >> >> "Bob" <spam@uce.gov> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:44fc3d03.3749109@news-server.houston.rr.com...
>> >> >> > On Mon, 4 Sep 2006 15:38:55 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
>> >> >> > wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>A good example of a psychotic God would be your Christian God,
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Not my God. Your God. You are the one doing the defining, not me.
> If
>> >> >> > you want to know how I define my God, you need to ask me, unless
> you
>> >> >> > are deluded into thinking you can read my mind.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> To define your Christian God, one does not need to ask you - one
> needs
>> > to
>> >> >> read the Christian bible.
>> >> >> The Christian bible defines their God as an angry, jealous and
>> >> >> wrathful
>> >> >> killer.
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>particularly as described in the Old Testament.
>> >> >> >>A manipulative and sadistic killer of babies, children and
> innocent
>> >> >> >>people.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > That would be the God of the Chosen People.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> And that God is different from the Christian God in what
> way,exactly?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > The God of Christians is described in the New Textament, a guy
> named
>> >> >> > Christ. I do not believe he was any baby killer.
>> >> >> >
>> >>
>> >> You seem to know less about your own religion than the average atheist
>> > here.
>> >> That happens a lot.
>> >> If, according to your book of myths, Jesus is part of the trinity, and
> is
>> >> also God whilst at the same time being manifested as a man, that would
>> > make
>> >> him the same God as the Old Testament God, would it not?
>> >> BTW, don't blame me for the confusion, it is your crazy book which
> throws
>> > up
>> >> all of these sorts of problems.
>> >>
>> >> >> You are either being particularly stupid, obtuse, or both.
>> >> >> The God of the Old Testament IS the same God of the New Testament,
> or
>> > did
>> >> >> you think that they swapped Gods in between testaments?
>> >> >> >
>> >>
>> >> > No, a far better understanding of God was brought about in the
>> >> > New Testiment which contained the New Covenant.
>> >>
>> >> So you agree that Jesus is the same killer God described in the Old
>> >> Testament, then?
>> >> Or, perhaps do you differ from Christian doctrine because you believe
>> > Jesus
>> >> was not fully man and God?
>> >> Which is it?
>> >>
>> > I think there was a great deal of misunderstanding and miscomprehension
>> > of the essence of God in the Old Testament. God didn't change, our
>> > perceptions of God changed in the New Testament.
>> >
>> Now wait a minute, if the bible is supposed to be the word of God, both
> old
>> and new, how can God, who is supposed to be infallible, make the mistake
> of
>> misrepresenting his own essence in the old Testament.?
>> Are you saying here that God is infallible, or are you saying that you do
>> not believe that the bible is the word of God?
>> Do you see now how crazy doctrines like this are taken with a pinch of
> salt
>> by atheists?
>> None of it holds up to any real scrutiny at all.
>>
> Actually I do not. Based upon your questions and statements you
> do not understand the difference between the Old and the
> New Testaments, or why the New Testament was necessary.
>>
>> --
>> Steve O
>> a.a. #2240
>> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the
> way
>> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

I certainly do understand the difference, having read both.
All you have done is dodge two perfectly reasonable questions.
So I'll try again.
1. If your God is infallible, how can he misrepresent his own essence in his
own bible, as you suggest?
2.Is Jesus, as part of the trinity, the same God as the God of the old and
new testaments?
Please dodge them again if you feel it is necessary.


--
Steve O
a.a. #2240
"Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

 

[Bob]

On Wed, 6 Sep 2006 07:15:35 +0100, "Steve O" <sendspam@here.com>
wrote:

>As for my other beliefs, how the hell would YOU know what they are?

I know that you are not a true atheist because you can't even define
the God you claim does not exist.


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