Re: Definition of God

[thepossibilities]

droth wrote:
> That's a neat trick, I personally can't simply choose to believe
> something because I don't like the opposite to be true.
>

> it's your choice, so you want to believe there is only evil and no good?

> > I have also seen some seriously strange behavior from someone I
> > would consider to be demon possed, you might laugh but it's true.
>
> Hahaha

don't really care if you believe it or not, atheists don't want to
believe something they can't rationalize through science. As long as
you are happy with what you believe it doesn't really matter to me.

> ---oops---
> Really, though, if you believe you actually witnessed that and believe
> you have an accurate impression of its meaning, why is your believe in
> Christianity "largely due to the fact that [you] don't want to believe
> we are born on this earth [to/,] live out our life and then cease to
> exist."???
>

it's more than that, there is too much history surrounding
Christianity, God and Jesus that can be proved for me not to believe.

> I mean, you think you saw some guy floating, using the power of Satan,
> biting people's chests, and whatnot. From your point of view, wouldn't
> it be pretty clear cut that God exists, after witnessing that,
> regardless of what you wanted to believe?

i don't "think" I saw some guy floating I did see him floating, the
others with me witnessed the same thing!!!!. Yes it is clear cut that
God exists!!!!!

 

[thepossibilities]

Steve O wrote:
> That seems like a completely irrational thing to say.
> Just because you hope that death isn't permanent doesn't make it any
> different.
> What's the point in forcing yourself to believe in something, as you appear
> to , simply because the alternative is unthinkable?
> How do you actually manage to do that?
> Most of us are incapable of such double think.

i don't force myself to believe in God at all. I freely believe in him
and his son Jesus. Again if you want to believe you live out your life
on earth and then it's over and done with and you can be happy with
this then so be it.

If you want to believe there is only evil that's your choice, pretty
dismal belief if you ask me but that's your choice as well.

> There's nothing funny about mental health problems or delusions - I can
> assure you I'm not laughing- but what makes you think that a medical
> condition has anything to do with "demons"?

as for mental health problems I agree there is nothing funny about
them. I believe that people can have mental problems and it's not
anything to do with Satan or demons.

> I have seen some seriously strange behavior (and criminal behaviour) from
> other people too- but I didn't automatically conlude that demons were
> involed, so why should you?

why should I? because I believe in what the Bible says.

>
> Interesting story.
> But I'd be interested in knowing what kind of mushrooms they had on that
> site.

again I don't really care if you believe me or not it's your
perogative, I was there and know what I saw.

> Steve O
> a.a. #2240
> "Apparently, as I understand it , I am supposed to repent for being the way
> that God made me, and then God will save me from God's wrath?"

if you don't believe that man's hearts are truely evil then explain
while all the hateful spiteful stuff is going on in the world. With
all the killings, rapes, wars and so on. Again you can believe how you
wish, all this speak of is from my experience which is pretty clear cut
to me and no one is going to convince me otherwise.

 

[Robibnikoff]

"thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message
snip

> i don't "think" I saw some guy floating I did see him floating, the
> others with me witnessed the same thing!!!!. Yes it is clear cut that
> God exists!!!!!

Yeah, sure. Tell us another story.
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ******* Extraordinaire
#1557

 

[DanWood]

<jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> Immortalist wrote:
>
> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
> > [crutch-lever?].
>
> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
>
> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
> of having pain inflicted on them.
>
> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
> of human sexuality, would I not?
>
> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
> > particular religious instincts survived and the
> > atheists died.
>
> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
>
> None.
>
> How are you arriving at this claim?
>
There are people who go to their deaths completely
assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
have none of this assurance.

Dan Wood, DDS

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities"
<bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>Steve O wrote:
>> That seems like a completely irrational thing to say.
>> Just because you hope that death isn't permanent doesn't make it any
>> different.
>> What's the point in forcing yourself to believe in something, as you appear
>> to , simply because the alternative is unthinkable?
>> How do you actually manage to do that?
>> Most of us are incapable of such double think.
>
>i don't force myself to believe in God at all. I freely believe in him
>and his son Jesus. Again if you want to believe you live out your life
>on earth and then it's over and done with and you can be happy with
>this then so be it.

Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have?

Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man,
and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS.

>If you want to believe there is only evil that's your choice, pretty
>dismal belief if you ask me but that's your choice as well.

Another straw man to the point of lying.

Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty?

>> There's nothing funny about mental health problems or delusions - I can
>> assure you I'm not laughing- but what makes you think that a medical
>> condition has anything to do with "demons"?
>
>as for mental health problems I agree there is nothing funny about
>them. I believe that people can have mental problems and it's not
>anything to do with Satan or demons.

Yet you believe other ridiculous things because of your religion - to
the point of inventing lies about those who don't.

>> I have seen some seriously strange behavior (and criminal behaviour) from
>> other people too- but I didn't automatically conlude that demons were
>> involed, so why should you?
>
>why should I? because I believe in what the Bible says.

Then you're a brainwashed idiot.

 

[Robibnikoff]

"thepossibilities" <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1156434505.556225.84560@i3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> Steve O wrote:
>> That seems like a completely irrational thing to say.
>> Just because you hope that death isn't permanent doesn't make it any
>> different.
>> What's the point in forcing yourself to believe in something, as you
>> appear
>> to , simply because the alternative is unthinkable?
>> How do you actually manage to do that?
>> Most of us are incapable of such double think.
>
> i don't force myself to believe in God at all. I freely believe in him
> and his son Jesus. Again if you want to believe you live out your life
> on earth and then it's over and done with and you can be happy with
> this then so be it.
>
> If you want to believe there is only evil that's your choice, pretty
> dismal belief if you ask me but that's your choice as well.

Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like projection
on your part.

>> There's nothing funny about mental health problems or delusions - I can
>> assure you I'm not laughing- but what makes you think that a medical
>> condition has anything to do with "demons"?
>
> as for mental health problems I agree there is nothing funny about
> them. I believe that people can have mental problems and it's not
> anything to do with Satan or demons.

Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out with
the dark ages.

>> I have seen some seriously strange behavior (and criminal behaviour) from
>> other people too- but I didn't automatically conlude that demons were
>> involed, so why should you?
>
> why should I? because I believe in what the Bible says.

EVERYTHING that's in the bible?

>> Interesting story.
>> But I'd be interested in knowing what kind of mushrooms they had on that
>> site.
>
> again I don't really care if you believe me or not it's your
> perogative, I was there and know what I saw.

Yeah, right, sure.
>
>
> if you don't believe that man's hearts are truely evil then explain
> while all the hateful spiteful stuff is going on in the world. With
> all the killings, rapes, wars and so on. Again you can believe how you
> wish, all this speak of is from my experience which is pretty clear cut
> to me and no one is going to convince me otherwise.

Fine, then bug off, okay?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
Atheist ******* Extraordinaire
#1557

 

[droth]

thepossibilities wrote:
> droth wrote:
>> That's a neat trick, I personally can't simply choose to believe
>> something because I don't like the opposite to be true.
>>
>
>> it's your choice, so you want to believe there is only evil and no good?
>
>>> I have also seen some seriously strange behavior from someone I
>>> would consider to be demon possed, you might laugh but it's true.
>> Hahaha
>
> don't really care if you believe it or not, atheists don't want to
> believe something they can't rationalize through science. As long as
> you are happy with what you believe it doesn't really matter to me.

Again, that's a neat trick. I personally can't believe in something
simply because I want it to be true.

>> ---oops---
>> Really, though, if you believe you actually witnessed that and believe
>> you have an accurate impression of its meaning, why is your believe in
>> Christianity "largely due to the fact that [you] don't want to believe
>> we are born on this earth [to/,] live out our life and then cease to
>> exist."???
>>
>
> it's more than that, there is too much history surrounding
> Christianity, God and Jesus that can be proved for me not to believe.

Oh, my mistake, You did say that it was largely because you want to
believe it, not because you think you saw someone floating in the air,
or trust the historical accuracy of the Bible. You should have said.

>> I mean, you think you saw some guy floating, using the power of Satan,
>> biting people's chests, and whatnot. From your point of view, wouldn't
>> it be pretty clear cut that God exists, after witnessing that,
>> regardless of what you wanted to believe?
>
> i don't "think" I saw some guy floating I did see him floating, the
> others with me witnessed the same thing!!!!. Yes it is clear cut that
> God exists!!!!!

Hallucinations can be fairly convincing, and mass hallucinations more
so. You may be unaware of the reality of it. Many (all?) people
absolutely know things which are in fact false. An hysterical group
of teens (?) hardly seem the most reliable eye witnesses.

 

[thepossibilities]

Robibnikoff wrote:
>
> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like projection
> on your part.

not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and
misread what he said, my bad.

>
> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out with
> the dark ages.
>

i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your
beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because
they can't handle someone believing differently.

> EVERYTHING that's in the bible?

it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with
absolutely everything just most things.

> Yeah, right, sure.

give it up your not changing anything I've witnessed, you can
believe it didn't happen that's fine with me.

> Fine, then bug off, okay?

no, plain and simple no, this is a discussion board and this is a
seriously interesting discussion to me.

 

[droth]

thepossibilities wrote:
> Robibnikoff wrote:
>> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like projection
>> on your part.
>
> not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and
> misread what he said, my bad.
>
>> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out with
>> the dark ages.
>>
>
> i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your
> beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because
> they can't handle someone believing differently.

I think you are seeing something that isn't there (again?).

>> EVERYTHING that's in the bible?
>
> it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with
> absolutely everything just most things.

How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them
to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), or
because of the historicality of certain parts, or what?

>> Yeah, right, sure.
>
> give it up your not changing anything I've witnessed, you can
> believe it didn't happen that's fine with me.

Swell.

 

[Cary Kittrell]

In article <44eaf832.83621609@news-server.houston.rr.com> spam@uce.gov writes:
> On 21 Aug 2006 23:12:58 -0700, jtem01@gmail.com wrote:
>
> >>people with
> >> particular religious instincts survived and the
> >> atheists died.
>
> >There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
> >None.
> >How are you arriving at this claim?
>
> Alexis deToqueville claimed that no major civilization has ever
> survived the loss of religion.

Did Al say anything about the gain of a religion? Less than
a century after making Christianity its official religion,
Rome fell -- repeatedly -- to the barbarians.

>
> "The solution to the basic problem of contemporary society is for
> every human being to acknowledge dependence on a Supreme Being."
> --Aldous Huxley
>


"For the first time in the history of the world, Buddhism proclaimed
a salvation which each individual could gain from him or herself,
in this world, during this life, without any least reference to God,
or to gods either great or small."

-- Aldous Huxley


"All gods are homemade, and it is we who pull their strings, and so,
give them the power to pull ours."

-- Aldous Huxley

 

[Gospel Bretts]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> Immortalist wrote:
>>
>> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
>> > [crutch-lever?].
>>
>> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
>> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
>>
>> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
>> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
>> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
>> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
>> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
>> of having pain inflicted on them.
>>
>> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
>> of human sexuality, would I not?
>>
>> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
>> > particular religious instincts survived and the
>> > atheists died.
>>
>> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
>>
>> None.
>>
>> How are you arriving at this claim?
>>
>There are people who go to their deaths completely
>assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
>will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
>have none of this assurance.
>

Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but
they don't really.

------------------

Gospel Bretts
a.a. Atheist #2262
Fundy Xian Atheist

 

[thepossibilities]

Christopher A. Lee wrote:
> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities"
> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have?
>
> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man,
> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS.
>

i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and
is still going.

> Another straw man to the point of lying.
>
> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty?

so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered
honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer?

> Then you're a brainwashed idiot.

so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should
believe in nothing?

 

[thepossibilities]

droth wrote:
> thepossibilities wrote:
> > Robibnikoff wrote:
> >> Where did he stated he believe there is "only evil"? Sounds like projection
> >> on your part.
> >
> > not so much projection as i stayed up late watching baseball and
> > misread what he said, my bad.
> >
> >> Thank goodness for that. I would hope that sort of thinking went out with
> >> the dark ages.
> >>
> >
> > i only added my two cents I'm not trying to change your world or your
> > beliefs, but I will admit this is fun watching everyone spin because
> > they can't handle someone believing differently.
>
> I think you are seeing something that isn't there (again?).

okay, you can call it what you wish, how about a rise?

>
> >> EVERYTHING that's in the bible?
> >
> > it was written in older times and by Man so I don't go along with
> > absolutely everything just most things.
>
> How do you know which are the right ones? Is it because you want them
> to be? (Like you had said about belief in the religion in general), or
> because of the historicality of certain parts, or what?

historical things that are backed up by recent archeological
discoveries. not to mention writings from others about Jesus's
existence and what happend that have nothing to do with the Bible.

> >> Yeah, right, sure.
> >
> > give it up your not changing anything I've witnessed, you can
> > believe it didn't happen that's fine with me.
>
> Swell.

thanks.

 

[Lizz Holmans]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:07:21 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
(Cary Kittrell) wrote:

>
>Did Al say anything about the gain of a religion? Less than
>a century after making Christianity its official religion,
>Rome fell -- repeatedly -- to the barbarians.

Except the Empire didn't fall when Rome did. The capital was moved to
Ravenna, which was taken by the Arian Christian Ostrogoths. And they
weren't barbarians; they left some beautiful architecture that is
still standing. Theodoric was no barbarian.

And the Eastern Empire didn't fall till centuries later. And, again,
it fell to the Roman Catholic Venetians.

The Roman Empire fell apart because it was trying to occupy too much
space with too few soldiers. Oh, and the economy. To imply that
Christianity had anything to do with it is simply not true. Just cos
something happens at about the same time (although a century is a
pretty long time in human terms) doesn't mean it caused the original
problem.

Lizz 'this is beginning to sound...familiar' Holmans


--
Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta

 

[DanWood]

"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:genre2ttjlsfegkq27vidfso7h2lsouho3@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:
>
> >
> ><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> >>
> >> Immortalist wrote:
> >>
> >> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
> >> > [crutch-lever?].
> >>
> >> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
> >> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
> >>
> >> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
> >> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
> >> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
> >> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
> >> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
> >> of having pain inflicted on them.
> >>
> >> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
> >> of human sexuality, would I not?
> >>
> >> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
> >> > particular religious instincts survived and the
> >> > atheists died.
> >>
> >> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
> >>
> >> None.
> >>
> >> How are you arriving at this claim?
> >>
> >There are people who go to their deaths completely
> >assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
> >will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
> >have none of this assurance.
> >
>
> Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but
> they don't really.
>
Do you speak for Christians?
>
> ------------------
>
> Gospel Bretts
> a.a. Atheist #2262
> Fundy Xian Atheist

 

[Lizz Holmans]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:12:36 GMT, Gospel Bretts
<bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but
>they don't really.

Who is thee to tell me what I believe or don't believe? That kind of
sweeping generalization is mendacious at its very best. Is thee some
sort of mind-reader? If so, I'd like thee to take the Randi Challenge,
to which I pledged more than a decade ago. This is sci.skeptic,
after all.

Perhaps I don't fit thy mold of 'Xian'. I believe, I know what I
believe and why it speaks to my condition, and, along with most
Christians, I find no problem with God Versus The Scientist. If God
didn't want us to be intelligent and curious, Sie wouldn't have given
us a brain (no, I'm not a creationist; figures of speech are still
allowed, I hope) that could ask these questions.

Speak for atheists and atheism all thee likes. My denomination does
not slander atheists and I would appreciate the same courtesy from
thee. If my atheist caro sposo can manage it, so it can be done. It's
not likely and I don't expect it, but I live in hope.

Lizz 'No, wait, that was Pres.Clinton' Holmans
--
Rumpeta, rumpeta, rumpeta

 

[Cary Kittrell]

Lizz Holmans <dillo@jackalope.demon.co.uk>
>
> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 17:07:21 +0000 (UTC), cary@afone.as.arizona.edu
> (Cary Kittrell) wrote:
>
> >
> >Did Al say anything about the gain of a religion? Less than
> >a century after making Christianity its official religion,
> >Rome fell -- repeatedly -- to the barbarians.
>
> Except the Empire didn't fall when Rome did. The capital was moved to
> Ravenna, which was taken by the Arian Christian Ostrogoths.

You're a nurse: isn't that some kind of bone cell?

> And they
> weren't barbarians; they left some beautiful architecture that is
> still standing. Theodoric was no barbarian.
>
> And the Eastern Empire didn't fall till centuries later. And, again,
> it fell to the Roman Catholic Venetians.
>
> The Roman Empire fell apart because it was trying to occupy too much
> space with too few soldiers. Oh, and the economy. To imply that
> Christianity had anything to do with it is simply not true. Just cos
> something happens at about the same time (although a century is a
> pretty long time in human terms) doesn't mean it caused the original
> problem.

Oh, I know, I know. Nothing is ever remotely that simple -- nor do
I even think that the official adoption of Christianity had much, if
anything, to do with subsequent events.

What you saw is a knee-jerk reaction has arisen from years of
reading posts along the line of "FAGS WILL CAUSE GOD TO DESTROY
AMERICA JUST LIKE HE DID ROME".

Which, of course, Whosis didn't actually say. But it was fun
anyhow.

Interesting history lesson, by the way. Thank you.


-- cary

 

[Chris H. Fleming]

thepossibilities wrote:
> Immortalist wrote:
> > Bob wrote:
> > > One of the ironies of the theist-atheist debate is that neither side
> > > can define what they mean by God. Theists claim they know God exists
> > > but when pressed to define what they mean, they lapse into religious
> > > jargon. Similarly atheists claim they know that God does not exist but
> > > they too are unable to define what they mean by this God that does not
> > > exist.
> > >
> > > No wonder such discussions always degernerate into shouting contests.
> > > Nobody knows what they are talking about.
> > >
> > > A proper definition includes a concrete rational description of the
> > > essential and necessary characteristic of the object in question.
> > >
> > > Can you define God in these terms?
> > >
>
> I believe "God" to be different to many different people. I will admit
> that I am a Christian, largely due to the fact that I don't want to
> believe we are born on this earth live out our life and then cease to
> exist.


I am a Billionaire for much the same reason. I don't want to believe
that I can't afford a small island in the pacific.

I believe I paid for it from the Swiss bank account that I believe I
have. And I believe it's waiting for me when I retire.

I am going to live my life believing that because I want to.

Sure if I didn't believe that, then I might manage my resources
differently. I might try to do the best with what I can afford. But no,
when I retire that island is waiting for me.


> I have also seen some seriously strange behavior from someone I
> would consider to be demon possed, you might laugh but it's true.
> There is evil out there and you can't have it without good. I went
> camping with some friends and neighbors when I was about 9 or 10. One
> guy named Jeff (foster kid) was a Satan worshiper and read the Satanic
> bible. One lady named Linda was just getting into Church and God. We
> all walked (about 8 of us) behind my parents property (in the country)
> back into the woods heading back to a lean-to that the foster kids
> including Jeff had built. For some reason Jeff wanted Linda to go and
> was insistent that she went, read on to find out why I was extremely
> happy to have her along. It was at dusk and as we walked back Jeff
> dissappeared and we begun to here howling which did not sound natural.
> We started back to find him and he jumped out of the trees and onto the
> road foaming at the mouth and he bit Chris in the chest. We all went
> back to the camp site rather freaked out. We decided to send Chris and
> Jake down to there house so they could get Ron and Carol, Jeff's foster
> parents. In the mean time Jeff was chasing after Chris and Jake and
> crossed a field in a matter of seconds and appeared to be floating
> somehow. For whatever reason he stopped short of them and turned
> around and came back to our camp site. He was floating in a zig zag
> and was hissing as he talked. He came up to Linda and started spouting
> off evil stuff about Satan having the power and going to take over the
> world, Linda was rebuking him and telling him to leave. He left and
> dissapeared into the woods. Ron and Darrel (Ron and Carol's son) came
> driving back in their pickup to see what was going on. We all started
> walking back deciding it wasn't a good idea to camp that night. We
> meet up with Ron and Darrel as they were calling for Jeff and he came
> back and kept going on about the power a ring he was wearing had.
> Later I found out from Carol that Jeff was cold as ice and he ended up
> being taken away that night to Phsyciatric Hospital. Never heard
> anymore and how Jeff ended up but I can tell you there was something
> unnatural about him and from that day on I decided there is for sure
> good and evil in this world. Mom had been dragging me to church up to
> that point and afterward I went willingly. I would rather invite good
> into my heart than hatred or believe there is nothing to this
> world/universe bigger than aliens, humans, animals, insects, plants and
> such.
>
> just my two cents, take it for what it's worth.
>
> Brian

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On 24 Aug 2006 10:21:29 -0700, "thepossibilities"
<bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote:

>Christopher A. Lee wrote:
>> On 24 Aug 2006 08:48:25 -0700, "thepossibilities"
>> <bhunt1273@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Why do you morons invent beliefs we don't have?
>>
>> Learn the difference between your stupid, ignorant and smug straw man,
>> and the actuality of HAVING ZERO REASON TO BELIEVE YOUR MYTHS.
>>
>
>i didn't invent the belief its been around for thousands of years and
>is still going.

You meant the belief that brindead theists have about what is in
atheists' heads?

And that excuses you lying about atheists to our faces, brainwashed
moron?

> > Another straw man to the point of lying.
>>
>> Why can't you assholes have a shred of honesty?
>
>so if I cuss and throw some acusations around I'll be considered
>honest? okay, why can't you assholes be a little nicer?

More Christian dishonesty.

>> Then you're a brainwashed idiot.
>
>so you have proof that your way of life is better? and everyone should
>believe in nothing?

Yet more stupidity. The only people who imagine atheists "believe
innothing" are deliberately ignorant theists like you who invent
positions we don't have, projecting their own deficiencies on us.

 

[Christopher A. Lee]

On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 13:41:21 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

>
>"Gospel Bretts" <bretts1967@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> On Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:20:08 -0400, "DanWood" <drwood@bellsouth.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> ><jtem01@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:1156227178.495729.118180@i42g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> >>
>> >> Immortalist wrote:
>> >>
>> >> > God is a concept some humans use as a lever
>> >> > [crutch-lever?].
>> >>
>> >> Okay. But with some 6 billion people on the planet,
>> >> this isn't exactly going out on a limb.
>> >>
>> >> I mean, try to imagine if some aliens visited the
>> >> Earth from another planet, and not knowing a lot
>> >> about us they asked me about sex, what it is we
>> >> do. At this point I tell the aliens that some people
>> >> are masochistic, that they get a sexual thrill out
>> >> of having pain inflicted on them.
>> >>
>> >> I'd be leaving them with a pretty misleading view
>> >> of human sexuality, would I not?
>> >>
>> >> > If evolutionary theory is correct, people with
>> >> > particular religious instincts survived and the
>> >> > atheists died.
>> >>
>> >> There is absolutely no reason to believe this.
>> >>
>> >> None.
>> >>
>> >> How are you arriving at this claim?
>> >>
>> >There are people who go to their deaths completely
>> >assured that it's not the end. And are convinced they
>> >will live again a much better life. Atheist, however,
>> >have none of this assurance.
>> >
>>
>> Neither do Christians, Dan. They want to believe their fantasies, but
>> they don't really.
>>
>Do you speak for Christians?

So demonstrate that your pretend friend is more than just a fantasy.

What's that?

You can't?

Given your earlier performance where you couldn't grasp the difference
between rationalising in terms of an unjustified presumption, and a
conclusion which you pretended to make, that doesn't surprise me.