Re: GIANT TRUCK SMASHES INTO PYLON, AND EXPLODES CAUSING FLIMSY HIGHWAY TO COLLAPSE (Droolers clai

On Apr 30, 4:09 am, mike532 <mike...@alltel.net> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 5:53 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
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> > "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in messagenews:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>
> > > Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my
> > > car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing
> > > into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"
> > > <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of
> > > the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out
> > > the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's
> > > amazing! <chortle>
>
> > > When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you
> > > squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -
> > > that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's
> > > better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like
> > > idiot children.
>
> > > So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?
>
> > > ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.
>
> > You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
>
> > Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local
> > tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the
> > interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a
> > 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned
> > over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.
> > Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused the
> > concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its strength.
>
> i don't think it causes the re bar to melt but it does weaken the
> concrete for sure

He didn't say it melted. He said it "flexed", "drooped", and "lost all
it's
strength".
 
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>> >> >> "Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message
>> >> >> news:f14ecu02ot@news2.newsguy.com...
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> > You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > local
>> >> >> > tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get
> onto
>> >> >> > the
>> >> >> > interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that
> makes
>> >> >> > a
>> >> >> > 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck
>> >> >> > turned
>> >> >> > over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the
>> >> >> > axles.
>> >> >> > Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat
>> > caused
>> >> > the
>> >> >> > concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all
>> >> >> > its
>> >> >> > strength.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Same thing happened here in the Tampa Bay area. TWICE! Once in
> Tampa
>> > a
>> >> >> couple of years ago. And a few months ago in St. Pete. Each time,
>> >> >> a
>> >> > tanker
>> >> >> overturned and burned the overpass above it. Each time the steel
>> >> >> softened
>> >> >> and collapsed the overpass. These WTC conspiracy nuts don't get it
> do
>> >> > they?
>> >> >
>> >> > It's Floriduh idiot, they still build huts of straw.
>> >> >>
>> >>
>> >> Biffy! You're home! How was your day sweatheart? After I got my son
>> >> off
>> >> to school, I took a nap...until about 10Am. Then the pool guy came
>> >> buy
>> > and
>> >> did some repairs. Then I went out to Best Buy and purchased a new DVD
>> >> writer w/Lightscribe. In between I watched my investments soar thanks
> to
>> >> the Bush tax cuts. (I sold my Citigroup...made about $13K). So how
> your
>> >> day honey?
>> >
>> > And which out of the 30 some citigroups did you sell? Take your time
>> > and
>> > study it so you can pretend you know what your talking about. Make sure
>> > you
>> > pick the correct one so you don't look stupid.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>> You ****ing moron. There is only one "Citigroup" Ticker Symbol "C".
>> http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/homepage/
>>
>> Are you trying to challenge me in my area of expertise? Please say it
> ain't
>> so Biffy!
>>
>> I have three words for you Biffy..."bring it on". (Actually I'm sorry I
>> sold, it went up more after I sold it, nonetheless one should never kick
>> oneself for making money!).
>
> You are definately one dumb mother ****er and a pretender.
>
> DOW symbols are no less than three letters. Occasionally you'll get an a
> shorter one. Very rare. There is no symbol "C" in the market. You have
> been
> exposed as a complete fraud. You know absolutely nothing about the market.
> LMAO. You're gonna have to do better than going to there website and skim
> over it when you lie and someone exposes you. Dumbshit.
>
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>>
>>


Maybe you'd better go to the Citigroup homepage and look at the top left
hand corner of the page. http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/homepage/
C'mon Biffy. You're making this too easy. It's like clubing seals. Now
you're making me feel guilty about abusing you so badly.
 
"Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> > >> "Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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> > >> > "Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
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> > >> >>
> > >> >> "Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message
> > >> >> news:f14ecu02ot@news2.newsguy.com...
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> >>
> > >> >> > You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left
a
> > >> >> > local
> > >> >> > tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get
> onto
> > >> >> > the
> > >> >> > interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that
> makes
> > >> >> > a
> > >> >> > 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast,
truck
> > >> >> > turned
> > >> >> > over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except
the
> > >> >> > axles.
> > >> >> > Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat
> > > caused
> > >> > the
> > >> >> > concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all
its
> > >> >> > strength.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Same thing happened here in the Tampa Bay area. TWICE! Once in
> Tampa
> > > a
> > >> >> couple of years ago. And a few months ago in St. Pete. Each time,
a
> > >> > tanker
> > >> >> overturned and burned the overpass above it. Each time the steel
> > >> >> softened
> > >> >> and collapsed the overpass. These WTC conspiracy nuts don't get it
> do
> > >> > they?
> > >> >
> > >> > It's Floriduh idiot, they still build huts of straw.
> > >> >>
> > >>
> > >> Biffy! You're home! How was your day sweatheart? After I got my
son
> > >> off
> > >> to school, I took a nap...until about 10Am. Then the pool guy came
buy
> > > and
> > >> did some repairs. Then I went out to Best Buy and purchased a new
DVD
> > >> writer w/Lightscribe. In between I watched my investments soar
thanks
> to
> > >> the Bush tax cuts. (I sold my Citigroup...made about $13K). So how
> your
> > >> day honey?
> > >
> > > And which out of the 30 some citigroups did you sell? Take your time
and
> > > study it so you can pretend you know what your talking about. Make
sure
> > > you
> > > pick the correct one so you don't look stupid.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> >
> > You ****ing moron. There is only one "Citigroup" Ticker Symbol "C".
> > http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/homepage/
> >
> > Are you trying to challenge me in my area of expertise? Please say it
> ain't
> > so Biffy!
> >
> > I have three words for you Biffy..."bring it on". (Actually I'm sorry I
> > sold, it went up more after I sold it, nonetheless one should never kick
> > oneself for making money!).
>
> You are definately one dumb mother ****er and a pretender.
>
> DOW symbols are no less than three letters. Occasionally you'll get an a
> shorter one. Very rare. There is no symbol "C" in the market. You have
been
> exposed as a complete fraud. You know absolutely nothing about the market.
> LMAO. You're gonna have to do better than going to there website and skim
> over it when you lie and someone exposes you. Dumbshit.


I'm going to be fair here. Just to keep you from embarrassing yourself
anymore. I'm a nice guy really. I'm an agent AKA Registered Rep. I'm not
bragging, it's just a job, it's a living. But you do know what that is don't
you? I'll give you hint, I know securities and "C" is not a security, it's
not a symbol of Citgroup which is listed on the NYSE. It's a letter and
nothing more when it comes to stocks. Chances are if you sold your Citigroup
you didn't make 13K. You could have if you bought years ago and sold it at
the Clinton years peak or bought it right after 9/11. But I highly doubt you
were smart enough to do either. I highly doubt you had the money you made
from BK to buy enough to make 13K.

Stop now before you embarrass your self any further.

You're making this really to easy. Take your time and come up with a lie
that can't be traced.
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On Apr 30, 12:17 pm, o5j...@netzero.com wrote:
> > The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams . They
> > are visible twisted and distorted in these pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html
>
> 1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not
> burn when exposed to the atmosphere.
>

Then it could not burn at all. Atmosphere is used in the turbines as
an oxidizer. The heat and sparks of impact would have been more
than enough to ignite the fuel. If the fuel did not ignite, then what
the
heck is that big fire burning there in the first place? Did you see
the
fireball from the impact? What other flammable material caused that?
And remember, the jet fuel is not what did in the buildings -- it
burned
off way too fast. What did them in was the dozens of desks, chairs,
papers, all the drywall, flooring, etc. The fire can be compared to
starting a bonfire with gasoline. The gasoline is the jet fuel, the
logs, the stuff in the building. The gasoline burns off fast, but the
heat generated is more than enough to ignite the logs.

> 2) Buildings are not made of asphault materials
>

No. But neither was the bridge. The asphalt is just a road topping,
not
a structural material.

> 3) For the bridge: Only a small section fell, and even then it is only
> bent. It is not completely collapsed, like WTC.
>

That's right. That's because it is not a tower (see below).

> To compare the bridge to WTC is ignorance beyond belief. If what you
> say is true, the entire span of the bridge should've collapsed
> completely from a much lesser fire.
>

No, because the rest of the bridge (freeway) still had intact
structure.
The same argument does not apply to the WTC towers, though, since
when the damaged structure failed, it caused a _huge weight_ (the
floors above it) to smash onto the rest of the structure below. The
resulting _kinetic impact_ smashed the floors. You don't think 400,000
TONS of stuff dropping onto a floor is going to do anything??? If
there were "floors" above the bridge, built on it, they would have
collapsed into where the truck hit.
 
On Apr 30, 12:39 pm, o5j...@netzero.com wrote:
> > You really are a ****ing moron. I knew it as soon as you said that jet-A
> > dosent burn in Air.
>
> > See ya you ****ing idiot.
>
> [chuckle]
>
> It never changes. Ignorant shills have no facts; so they resort to
> name-calling.
>

FACTS have been presented in a message I just posted here,
by the way. I agree with you that name-calling is a shitass
argument, though.

What is so difficult to accept about the idea that the official
story is true, that the hijacked planes were all that were
necessary to blow away the towers?

> People wonder how Hitler did it. Well.. wonder no longer. Some just
> would rather believe lies than face the truth.

Do you mean that you deny the Holocaust?! I wouldn't go
THAT far... Six million people DID die, you know.
 
"Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>

>> >
>> > You ****ing moron. There is only one "Citigroup" Ticker Symbol "C".
>> > http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/homepage/
>> >
>> > Are you trying to challenge me in my area of expertise? Please say it
>> ain't
>> > so Biffy!
>> >
>> > I have three words for you Biffy..."bring it on". (Actually I'm sorry I
>> > sold, it went up more after I sold it, nonetheless one should never
>> > kick
>> > oneself for making money!).
>>
>> You are definately one dumb mother ****er and a pretender.
>>
>> DOW symbols are no less than three letters. Occasionally you'll get an a
>> shorter one. Very rare. There is no symbol "C" in the market. You have
> been
>> exposed as a complete fraud. You know absolutely nothing about the
>> market.
>> LMAO. You're gonna have to do better than going to there website and skim
>> over it when you lie and someone exposes you. Dumbshit.
>
>
> I'm going to be fair here. Just to keep you from embarrassing yourself
> anymore. I'm a nice guy really. I'm an agent AKA Registered Rep. I'm not
> bragging, it's just a job, it's a living. But you do know what that is
> don't
> you? I'll give you hint, I know securities and "C" is not a security, it's
> not a symbol of Citgroup which is listed on the NYSE. It
=========================


Yes it is you stupid ****ing retarded inbred sister ****ing sheep dick.
Give it up before you look like an even bigger ass than you already are.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/quote?ticker=c:US
 
"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
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> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message
> news:1177963554.757100.20810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in
>>> 1977
>>> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree
>>> from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html
>>
>> Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you
>> kidding? Is this a joke?
>>
>> Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A
>> standards? It's really hard to tell when you guys are being sarcastic
>> and not.
> =========================
>
> Watch this Jet A not catch fire when the B 52 Crashes
>
> http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7aLEKBlhNk

%%%% A B-52 is fueled with JP4.

"My sight is failing," she said finally. "Even when I was young I could not
have read what was written there. But it appears to me that that wall looks
different. Are the Seven Commandments the same as they used to be,
Benjamin?"
For once Benjamin consented to break his rule, and he read out to her what
was written on the wall. There was nothing there now except a single
Commandment. It ran:
ALL ANIMALS ARE EQUAL BUT SOME ANIMALS ARE MORE EQUAL THAN OTHERS

>
>
 
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> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
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>> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message
>> news:1177963554.757100.20810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in
>>>> 1977
>>>> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree
>>>> from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html
>>>
>>> Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you
>>> kidding? Is this a joke?
>>>
>>> Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A
>>> standards? It's really hard to tell when you guys are being sarcastic
>>> and not.
>> =========================
>>
>> Watch this Jet A not catch fire when the B 52 Crashes
>>
>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7aLEKBlhNk
>
> %%%% A B-52 is fueled with JP4.
>
====================

So this fireball trailing the COncorde is not Jet fuel either, its just Air
France shooting off roman candles from its plane in celebration of Bastile
day right?

http://www.concordesst.com/accident/pictures/flames1.jpg
 
"Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
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>

You know Biffy. I've known a LOT of brokers in my life. Most of them
were complete idiots. And could not keep up with my investment needs or my
expertise. So I fired them all. Looks like you're the prefect broker. The
way to make Almost $13K is to buy 15,000 Shares at 52 and sell it at $52.87.
You see Biffy, I play with BIG numbers. I'm not some small time chump
like you. Are you really going to continue to insist that I didn't buy/sell
"C"? You're not going to really be that stoopid are you? I like you Biffy.
Stop embarrassing yourself. This like clubbing seals.
 
"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David Moffitt" <moffitcl@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:K5vZh.10309$3P3.826@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
>> news:46365625$0$31792$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
>>>
>>> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177963554.757100.20810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in
>>>>> 1977
>>>>> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree
>>>>> from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html
>>>>
>>>> Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you
>>>> kidding? Is this a joke?
>>>>
>>>> Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A
>>>> standards? It's really hard to tell when you guys are being sarcastic
>>>> and not.
>>> =========================
>>>
>>> Watch this Jet A not catch fire when the B 52 Crashes
>>>
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7aLEKBlhNk
>>
>> %%%% A B-52 is fueled with JP4.
>>
> ====================
>
> So this fireball trailing the COncorde is not Jet fuel either, its just
> Air France shooting off roman candles from its plane in celebration of
> Bastile day right?
>
> http://www.concordesst.com/accident/pictures/flames1.jpg
>

These idiots have nothing to say. This like clubbing seals. It's
embarrassing already.
 
"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177975898.254892.160170@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 30, 12:17 pm, o5j...@netzero.com wrote:
>> > The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams .
>> > They
>> > are visible twisted and distorted in these
>> > pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html
>>
>> 1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not
>> burn when exposed to the atmosphere.
>>
>
> Then it could not burn at all. Atmosphere is used in the turbines as
> an oxidizer. The heat and sparks of impact would have been more
> than enough to ignite the fuel. If the fuel did not ignite, then what
> the
> heck is that big fire burning there in the first place? Did you see
> the
> fireball from the impact? What other flammable material caused that?
> And remember, the jet fuel is not what did in the buildings -- it
> burned
> off way too fast. What did them in was the dozens of desks, chairs,
> papers, all the drywall, flooring, etc. The fire can be compared to
> starting a bonfire with gasoline. The gasoline is the jet fuel, the
> logs, the stuff in the building. The gasoline burns off fast, but the
> heat generated is more than enough to ignite the logs.
>
>> 2) Buildings are not made of asphault materials
>>
>
> No. But neither was the bridge. The asphalt is just a road topping,
> not
> a structural material.
>
>> 3) For the bridge: Only a small section fell, and even then it is only
>> bent. It is not completely collapsed, like WTC.
>>
>
> That's right. That's because it is not a tower (see below).
>
>> To compare the bridge to WTC is ignorance beyond belief. If what you
>> say is true, the entire span of the bridge should've collapsed
>> completely from a much lesser fire.
>>
>
> No, because the rest of the bridge (freeway) still had intact
> structure.
> The same argument does not apply to the WTC towers, though, since
> when the damaged structure failed, it caused a _huge weight_ (the
> floors above it) to smash onto the rest of the structure below. The
> resulting _kinetic impact_ smashed the floors. You don't think 400,000
> TONS of stuff dropping onto a floor is going to do anything??? If
> there were "floors" above the bridge, built on it, they would have
> collapsed into where the truck hit.
>

Don't expect a rational reply. These leftist loons are too far gone to
believe anything other than the alternate reality that was created for them
by their left wing nut puppet masters.
 
In article <1177975399.672098.170760@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> On Apr 30, 4:09 am, mike532 <mike...@alltel.net> wrote:
> > On Apr 30, 5:53 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in messagenews:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...
> >
> > > > Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look at my
> > > > car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck crashing
> > > > into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified "experts"
> > > > <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering assessment of
> > > > the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight out
> > > > the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions). That's
> > > > amazing! <chortle>
> >
> > > > When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you
> > > > squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics? Naw -
> > > > that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that. It's
> > > > better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it like
> > > > idiot children.
> >
> > > > So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt, exactly?
> >
> > > > ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.
> >
> > > You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
> >
> > > Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a local
> > > tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto the
> > > interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a
> > > 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck turned
> > > over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the axles.
> > > Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat caused the
> > > concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its strength.
> >
> > i don't think it causes the re bar to melt but it does weaken the
> > concrete for sure
>
> He didn't say it melted. He said it "flexed", "drooped", and "lost all
> it's
> strength".


Even if the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel was weakened, how you do explain both towers falling at near free fall
speed in the path of greatest resistance?
 
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:62736066ab60cf5545dd4d938ad2bdbb@dizum.com...
> In article <1177975399.672098.170760@c35g2000hsg.googlegroups.com>
> mike3 <mike4...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Apr 30, 4:09 am, mike532 <mike...@alltel.net> wrote:
>> > On Apr 30, 5:53 am, "Joe S." <non...@nosuch.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > > "What Me Worry?" <__@____.___> wrote in
>> > > messagenews:pNudnSEls42SMajbnZ2dnUVZ_hOdnZ2d@insightbb.com...
>> >
>> > > > Wow, that's amazing. I can't even get an insurance agent to look
>> > > > at my
>> > > > car for several days; but within minutes of the huge tanker truck
>> > > > crashing
>> > > > into the a support pylon and exploding violently, unidentified
>> > > > "experts"
>> > > > <snicker> have given us a definitive structural engineering
>> > > > assessment of
>> > > > the precise collapse modes (with technical jargon borrowed straight
>> > > > out
>> > > > the thoroughly discredited NIST report on the WTC demolitions).
>> > > > That's
>> > > > amazing! <chortle>
>> >
>> > > > When do the real engineers get to have a look at it? Or don't you
>> > > > squealing children believe in real engineers and real forensics?
>> > > > Naw -
>> > > > that would mean discussing real facts, and boring stuff like that.
>> > > > It's
>> > > > better to just parrot what MSM feeds you and then giggle about it
>> > > > like
>> > > > idiot children.
>> >
>> > > > So did it crumble, or did it melt? And how does concrete melt,
>> > > > exactly?
>> >
>> > > > ROFL! Keep on drinkin' the koolaid. We'll do the serious work.
>> >
>> > > You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
>> >
>> > > Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a
>> > > local
>> > > tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get onto
>> > > the
>> > > interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that makes a
>> > > 270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck
>> > > turned
>> > > over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the
>> > > axles.
>> > > Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat
>> > > caused the
>> > > concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its
>> > > strength.
>> >
>> > i don't think it causes the re bar to melt but it does weaken the
>> > concrete for sure
>>
>> He didn't say it melted. He said it "flexed", "drooped", and "lost all
>> it's
>> strength".
>
>
> Even if the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel was weakened, how you do explain both
> towers falling at near free fall
> speed in the path of greatest resistance?
========================

Its called Gravity . Stay in school and your 1 st grade teacher will explain
it to you someday.
 
"Nomen Nescio" <nobody@dizum.com> wrote in message
news:62736066ab60cf5545dd4d938ad2bdbb@dizum.com...

>
> Even if the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel was weakened, how you do explain both
> towers falling at near free fall
> speed in the path of greatest resistance?
>

The buildings were created with an exoskeleton. There was very little rigid
internal structure. It's not unlike collapsing an accordion. Hollow on the
inside, rigid on the outside. All of the walls buckled out and away from
the floors above it...hence the pancake effect. Man, you WTC conspiracy
theorists sure are some loony ****ing people. For example you can't explain
how in a building populated with THOUSANDS of elevator operators,
maintenance staff, SECURITY staff and residents. Other people had unlimited
time and resources to plant explosives and NO ONE noticed ANYTHING
suspicious. Hmmmm.....
 
"Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
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>
> "David Moffitt" <moffitcl@peoplepc.com> wrote in message
> news:K5vZh.10309$3P3.826@newsread3.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>
>> "Gandalf Grey" <gandalfgrey@infectedmaiI.com> wrote in message
>> news:46365625$0$31792$a82e2bb9@reader.athenanews.com...
>>>
>>> <o5jive@netzero.com> wrote in message
>>> news:1177963554.757100.20810@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> ROFLMAO ! Tell that to the 500 Dead 747 crash victims at Tenerife in
>>>>> 1977
>>>>> .What cracker jack Box did you get your Petrolium Engineering degree
>>>>> from?http://www.1001crash.com/index-page-tenerife-lg-2-numpage-6.html
>>>>
>>>> Once again, apples and oranges.. I mean, really... 1977.. are you
>>>> kidding? Is this a joke?
>>>>
>>>> Are you really comparing the 1977 jet fuel standards to today's Jet-A
>>>> standards? It's really hard to tell when you guys are being sarcastic
>>>> and not.
>>> =========================
>>>
>>> Watch this Jet A not catch fire when the B 52 Crashes
>>>
>>> http://youtube.com/watch?v=d7aLEKBlhNk
>>
>> %%%% A B-52 is fueled with JP4.
>>
> ====================
>
> So this fireball trailing the COncorde is not Jet fuel either, its just
> Air France shooting off roman candles from its plane in celebration of
> Bastile day right?
>
> http://www.concordesst.com/accident/pictures/flames1.jpg

%%%% Jet fuel burns when vaporized. Crashing a 737 into a building
vaporizes the fuel.

Remember
 
Biff Limabaugh wrote:
> "Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in message
> news:6nuZh.3016$zE.1423@trnddc03...
>
>>"Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>news:k0uZh.2545$dy2.2331@trndny01...
>>
>>>"Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>>message
>>>news:KqtZh.23055$Cx1.21689@trnddc01...
>>>
>>>>"Biff Limabaugh" <BillL...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:WgtZh.3398$%f7.1241@trndny03...
>>>>
>>>>>"Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liberals@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote in
>>>>>message
>>>>>news:zSpZh.2602$zE.2368@trnddc03...
>>>>>
>>>>>>"Joe S." <noname@nosuch.net> wrote in message
>>>>>>news:f14ecu02ot@news2.newsguy.com...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>You wouldn't know serious engineering if it bit you in the ass.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Same thing happened near me. Good old boy from up in NE TN left a
>>>>>>>local
>>>>>>>tank farm hauling a 5,000 gallon tank full of gasoline. To get
>
> onto
>
>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>interstate, he has to take a long, curving entrance ramp that
>
> makes
>
>>>>>>>a
>>>>>>>270-degree turn under another ramp. He was going too fast, truck
>>>>>>>turned
>>>>>>>over, burst into flame. Nothing was left of the truck except the
>>>>>>>axles.
>>>>>>>Roadway above him was destroyed by the fire -- the intense heat
>>>
>>>caused
>>>
>>>>>the
>>>>>
>>>>>>>concrete to "pop" and steel rebar to flex, droop, and lose all its
>>>>>>>strength.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Same thing happened here in the Tampa Bay area. TWICE! Once in
>
> Tampa
>
>>>a
>>>
>>>>>>couple of years ago. And a few months ago in St. Pete. Each time, a
>>>>>
>>>>>tanker
>>>>>
>>>>>>overturned and burned the overpass above it. Each time the steel
>>>>>>softened
>>>>>>and collapsed the overpass. These WTC conspiracy nuts don't get it
>
> do
>
>>>>>they?
>>>>>
>>>>>It's Floriduh idiot, they still build huts of straw.
>>>>>
>>>>Biffy! You're home! How was your day sweatheart? After I got my son
>>>>off
>>>>to school, I took a nap...until about 10Am. Then the pool guy came buy
>>>
>>>and
>>>
>>>>did some repairs. Then I went out to Best Buy and purchased a new DVD
>>>>writer w/Lightscribe. In between I watched my investments soar thanks
>
> to
>
>>>>the Bush tax cuts. (I sold my Citigroup...made about $13K). So how
>
> your
>
>>>>day honey?
>>>
>>>And which out of the 30 some citigroups did you sell? Take your time and
>>>study it so you can pretend you know what your talking about. Make sure
>>>you
>>>pick the correct one so you don't look stupid.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>You ****ing moron. There is only one "Citigroup" Ticker Symbol "C".
>>http://www.citigroup.com/citigroup/homepage/
>>
>>Are you trying to challenge me in my area of expertise? Please say it
>
> ain't
>
>>so Biffy!
>>
>>I have three words for you Biffy..."bring it on". (Actually I'm sorry I
>>sold, it went up more after I sold it, nonetheless one should never kick
>>oneself for making money!).
>
>
> You are definately one dumb mother ****er and a pretender.
>
> DOW symbols are no less than three letters. Occasionally you'll get an a
> shorter one. Very rare. There is no symbol "C" in the market. You have been
> exposed as a complete fraud. You know absolutely nothing about the market.
> LMAO. You're gonna have to do better than going to there website and skim
> over it when you lie and someone exposes you. Dumbshit.

Go to www.nyse.com or www.nasdaq.com (or etrade or wallstjournal,
etc) and then click on Symbol Lookup and enter: C

Tell us what the result was.

Hope this helps!
 
"mike3" <mike4ty4@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1177975898.254892.160170@e65g2000hsc.googlegroups.com...
> On Apr 30, 12:17 pm, o5j...@netzero.com wrote:
>> > The concrete flat surface is held up with multiple Steel I beams .
>> > They
>> > are visible twisted and distorted in these
>> > pictures.http://apnews.myway.com/article/20070430/D8OQN9G00.html
>>
>> 1) The fuel in those trucks was not Jet-A. Jet-A is designed to not
>> burn when exposed to the atmosphere.
>>
>
> Then it could not burn at all. Atmosphere is used in the turbines as
> an oxidizer. The heat and sparks of impact would have been more
> than enough to ignite the fuel. If the fuel did not ignite, then what
> the
> heck is that big fire burning there in the first place? Did you see
> the
> fireball from the impact? What other flammable material caused that?
> And remember, the jet fuel is not what did in the buildings -- it
> burned
> off way too fast. What did them in was the dozens of desks, chairs,
> papers, all the drywall, flooring, etc. The fire can be compared to
> starting a bonfire with gasoline. The gasoline is the jet fuel, the
> logs, the stuff in the building. The gasoline burns off fast, but the
> heat generated is more than enough to ignite the logs.
>
>> 2) Buildings are not made of asphault materials
>>
>
> No. But neither was the bridge. The asphalt is just a road topping,
> not
> a structural material.
>
>> 3) For the bridge: Only a small section fell, and even then it is only
>> bent. It is not completely collapsed, like WTC.
>>
>
> That's right. That's because it is not a tower (see below).
>
>> To compare the bridge to WTC is ignorance beyond belief. If what you
>> say is true, the entire span of the bridge should've collapsed
>> completely from a much lesser fire.
>>
>
> No, because the rest of the bridge (freeway) still had intact
> structure.
> The same argument does not apply to the WTC towers, though, since
> when the damaged structure failed, it caused a _huge weight_ (the
> floors above it) to smash onto the rest of the structure below. The
> resulting _kinetic impact_ smashed the floors. You don't think 400,000
> TONS of stuff dropping onto a floor is going to do anything??? If
> there were "floors" above the bridge, built on it, they would have
> collapsed into where the truck hit.

The "pancake theory" - which you are describing - has been thoroughly
discredited and rejected. NIST did not base their "collapse initiation"
report on the "pancake theory," for example.

You see, if it had happened as you say, then the floors would have slid down
the giant central core (severing at the inner and outer connection points)
leaving the core standing . From the numerous videos of the collapse, we
see the entire structure shattering to dust and giant neatly-severed steel
columns being catapulted upward and outward hundreds of yards, smashing
into neighboring buildings. The 47 giant 4" thick steel box columns and
all of the beams and outer "sleeve" of structural box columns all shatter
and fall at the same rate. There was nothing left of the core except a pile
of neatly-severed 30 ft sections of 22" wide 4" thick box columns. There is
simply no way that your theory can fit with the well-documented evidence.

There is a theory that does fit the evidence, however...
 
In article <N7wZh.870$J54.525@trnddc04>
"Billary/2008" <F#%K_Liber...@vastrightwingconspiracy.gov> wrote:
>
>
> "Nomen Nescio" <nob...@dizum.com> wrote in message
> news:62736066ab60cf5545dd4d938ad2bdbb@dizum.com...
>
> >
> > Even if the WTC 1 and WTC 2 steel was weakened, how you do explain both
> > towers falling at near free fall
> > speed in the path of greatest resistance?
> >
>
> The buildings were created with an exoskeleton. There was very little rigid
> internal structure. It's not unlike collapsing an accordion. Hollow on the
> inside, rigid on the outside. All of the walls buckled out and away from
> the floors above it...hence the pancake effect. Man, you WTC conspiracy
> theorists sure are some loony ****ing people. For example you can't explain
> how in a building populated with THOUSANDS of elevator operators,
> maintenance staff, SECURITY staff and residents. Other people had unlimited
> time and resources to plant explosives and NO ONE noticed ANYTHING
> suspicious. Hmmmm.....

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/911security.html
http://www.utne.com/web_special/web_specials_2003-02/articles/10292-1.html

"Marvin P. Bush, the president
 
What Me Worry? wrote:

> You see, if it had happened as you say, then the floors would have slid
> down the giant central core (severing at the inner and outer connection
> points) leaving the core standing . From the numerous videos of the
> collapse, we see the entire structure shattering to dust and giant
> neatly-severed steel columns being catapulted upward and outward
> hundreds of yards, smashing into neighboring buildings. The 47 giant 4"
> thick steel box columns and all of the beams and outer "sleeve" of
> structural box columns all shatter and fall at the same rate. There was
> nothing left of the core except a pile of neatly-severed 30 ft sections of
> 22" wide 4" thick box columns. There is simply no way that your theory
> can fit with the well-documented evidence.
>
> There is a theory that does fit the evidence, however...

Yes. The steel floor trusses until they expanded, forcing the outer columns
out and initiating the collapse. Once it happened, the energy of all those
tons of concrete and steel, in motion, far exceeded their resting energy, so
they plowed through the rest of the building, exploding it outwards. And the
inner structure can be seen still standing as the floors and outer structure
peel away. Exactly the opposite of a controlled demolition.

--
Phlip
http://flea.sourceforge.net/PiglegToo_1.html
 

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