Re: Why Fear and Detest the Atheist?

[Virgil]

In article <vfedna-9NuxgTg7anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:

> Karl Johanson wrote:
>
> > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote
> >
> >
> >>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible as
> >>a teaching of Christ?
> >
> >
> > The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because of
> > god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If you
> > believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's will. If
> > you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the Germans were under
> > god's orders to do what their leader told them to do, as it was god's
> > will.
>
> Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will.
>
> >
> > Fortunately, god is fictitious. I wish Hitler and most of his followers
> > had known that.
>
> They believed precisely that.

Did Lorr's god read Hitler's mind and then pass the word on to Lorr?

Somehow, I doubt it.

 

[Karl Johanson]

"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> Liz wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 14:32:30 -0600, Starkiller
>> <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> [---]
>>
>>>Read the new freaking testament for crying out loud if you want to
>>>know. Just a few aspects are that you don't go around trying to
>>>dominate and force anyone into your faith for starters. You don;t
>>>commit genocide.
>>
>>
>>
>> Could you give me a reference for the "don't commit genocide"
>> verse(s)? Many people reference the genocide committed by God and
>> the
>> Hebrews in the OT, and it would be nice it see that such action was
>> countermanded in the NT.
>
> Show where "genocide" is ordered in the Five Books of Moses (Genesis -
> Deuteronom). I suggest you learn the meaning of the term "genocide".

-Deuteronomy 7:2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before
thee;
thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no
covenant
with them, nor shew mercy unto them:

-Deuteronomy 20: 17 But thou shalt utterly destroy them; namely, the
Hittites, and the Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the
Hivites,
and the Jebusites; as the LORD thy God hath commanded thee:

-Deuteronomy 12:2 Ye shall utterly destroy all the places, wherein the
nations which ye shall possess served their gods, upon the high
mountains,
and upon the hills, and under every green tree: 3 And ye shall
overthrow
their altars, and break their pillars, and burn their groves with fire;
and
ye shall hew down the graven images of their gods, and destroy the names
of
them out of that place.

-Deuteronomy 13:15 Thou shalt surely smite the inhabitants of that city
with
the edge of the sword, destroying it utterly, and all that is therein,
and
the cattle thereof, with the edge of the sword.

http://www.yourdictionary.com/genocide
geno

 

[Karl Johanson]

"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote

> God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> enough.

Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
enough.

Karl Johanson

 

[Kenneth Doyle]

Virgil <Virgil@com.com> wrote in
news:Virgil-8B9A58.17262320012008@comcast.dca.giganews.com:

> In article <vfedna-9NuxgTg7anZ2dnUVZ_s6mnZ2d@comcast.com>,
> Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Karl Johanson wrote:
>>
>> > "Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote
>> >
>> >
>> >>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible
>> >>as a teaching of Christ?
>> >
>> >
>> > The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because
>> > of god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If
>> > you believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's
>> > will. If you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the
>> > Germans were under god's orders to do what their leader told them
>> > to do, as it was god's will.
>>
>> Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will.
>>
>> >
>> > Fortunately, god is fictitious. I wish Hitler and most of his
>> > followers had known that.
>>
>> They believed precisely that.
>
> Did Lorr's god read Hitler's mind and then pass the word on to Lorr?
>
> Somehow, I doubt it.
>

Nah, Lorr read Hitler's mind from beyond the grave.

 

[Christopher A.Lee]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 15:36:53 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:

>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof enough.

What a ****ing moron.

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Karl Johanson wrote:

> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>
>>Karl Johanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible as
>>>>a teaching of Christ?
>>>
>>>
>>>The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because of
>>>god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If you
>>>believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's will.
>>>If you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the Germans were
>>>under god's orders to do what their leader told them to do, as it was
>>>god's will.
>>
>>Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will.
>
>
> I didn't say it was determinism. I said the Bible orders Christians to
> follow every national leader. Lots of Christians did that, when Hitler
> was in power.

I'm not xian.

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Karl Johanson wrote:
>
> http://www.yourdictionary.com/genocide
> geno

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Karl Johanson wrote:

> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>
>
>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>enough.
>
>
> Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> enough.

Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of batman.

 

[Starkiller]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:11 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Karl Johanson wrote:
>
>> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>enough.
>>
>>
>> Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>> enough.
>
>Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of batman.

I believe they think that you were created by Batman.

Y'know Robin did go around saying "holy" a lot.

I dunno, I'm just sayin'....

ROFL

 

[Karl Johanson]

"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> Karl Johanson wrote:
>
>> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>>Karl Johanson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Starkiller" <NoSpam.SKS_SKanz@hotmail.com> wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>Show us where anything that Hitler did was referenced in the Bible
>>>>>as
>>>>>a teaching of Christ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>The Bible says that every leader of every nation is there, because
>>>>of god's will. It further says that people should follow them. If
>>>>you believe the Christian Bible, you believe Hitler executed god's
>>>>will. If you believe the Christian Bible, you believe that the
>>>>Germans were under god's orders to do what their leader told them to
>>>>do, as it was god's will.
>>>
>>>Free will for humans, not determinism, is God's will.
>>
>>
>> I didn't say it was determinism. I said the Bible orders Christians
>> to follow every national leader. Lots of Christians did that, when
>> Hitler was in power.
>
> I'm not xian.

I didn't say you were Christian.

Karl Johanson

 

[Karl Johanson]

"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> Karl Johanson wrote:
>
>> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>enough.
>>
>>
>> Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>> enough.
>
> Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of
> batman.

If you wish to believe a superstitious cause for the universe, you have
an infinite number of choices. All are untestable and about equally
likely. There might be one god, there might 23 gods, there might be 42
gods, etc. It's as likely that Batman created the universe as that
Elohim did. Close to 1 in infinity. The Bible doesn't prove Elohim
exists anymore than that comic books prove that Batman is the supreme
being.

I was showing the implications of your argument.

Karl Johanson

 

[bob young]

Roy Jose Lorr wrote:

> Mike wrote:
>
> >
> > Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> >
> >>>". I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not
> >>>believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And
> >>>if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that he would have such
> >>>an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt his existence."
> >>>--- Bertrand Russell
> >>
> >>Russel the moron.

WOW......... Invited in his day to lecture by just about every university
in the USA

How many lecture invitations have you managed this year Moron?

>
> >
> >
> > I take it then that you disagree with Russell and you believe that God
> > DOES, in fact, have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those
> > who doubt his existence?
>
> He's sympathetic to your low self esteem.

Talks to you does 'He' ? !!!!

>
>
> >
> >
> >>>Let us prey
> >
> >
> > Preying is for xians, mantis' and other insects.
>
> Then you do prey.

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Starkiller wrote:

> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:11 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>>Karl Johanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>>enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>enough.
>>
>>Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of batman.
>
>
> I believe they think that you were created by Batman.
>
> Y'know Robin did go around saying "holy" a lot.
>
> I dunno, I'm just sayin'....

In other words you're just sayin nothin.

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

Karl Johanson wrote:

> "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>
>>Karl Johanson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>>enough.
>>>
>>>
>>>Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>enough.
>>
>>Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of
>>batman.
>
>
> If you wish to believe a superstitious cause for the universe, you have
> an infinite number of choices. All are untestable and about equally
> likely. There might be one god, there might 23 gods, there might be 42
> gods, etc. It's as likely that Batman created the universe as that
> Elohim did. Close to 1 in infinity. The Bible doesn't prove Elohim
> exists anymore than that comic books prove that Batman is the supreme
> being.
>
> I was showing the implications of your argument.

All you've shown is an abundance of atheist idiocy.

 

[Roy Jose Lorr]

bob young wrote:

>
> Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
>
>
>>Mike wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>>". I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not
>>>>>believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And
>>>>>if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that he would have such
>>>>>an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt his existence."
>>>>>--- Bertrand Russell
>>>>
>>>>Russel the moron.
>
>
> WOW......... Invited in his day to lecture by just about every university
> in the USA

Universities invite every moron that makes himself available.

>
> How many lecture invitations have you managed this year Moron?

Irrelevant, idiot.

>
>
>>>
>>>I take it then that you disagree with Russell and you believe that God
>>>DOES, in fact, have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those
>>>who doubt his existence?
>>
>>He's sympathetic to your low self esteem.
>
>
> Talks to you does 'He' ? !!!!

No.

>
>
>>
>>>
>>>>>Let us prey
>>>
>>>
>>>Preying is for xians, mantis' and other insects.
>>
>>Then you do prey.
>
>

 

[Virgil]

In article <mu-dnTOSi9GtiwnanZ2dnUVZ_vrinZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:

> Karl Johanson wrote:
>
> > "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> >
> >>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> >>enough.
> >
> >
> > Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> > enough.
>
> Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of batman.

In exactly the same way that anyone's existence proves the existence of
your god. At best it might indicate the possible existence of some gods,
number and name unknown.

 

[Virgil]

In article <d8Wdne3SCb-l3AnanZ2dnUVZ_jednZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:

> Karl Johanson wrote:
>
> > "Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> >
> >>Karl Johanson wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> >>>>enough.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
> >>>enough.
> >>
> >>Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of
> >>batman.
> >
> >
> > If you wish to believe a superstitious cause for the universe, you have
> > an infinite number of choices. All are untestable and about equally
> > likely. There might be one god, there might 23 gods, there might be 42
> > gods, etc. It's as likely that Batman created the universe as that
> > Elohim did. Close to 1 in infinity. The Bible doesn't prove Elohim
> > exists anymore than that comic books prove that Batman is the supreme
> > being.
> >
> > I was showing the implications of your argument.
>
> All you've shown is an abundance of atheist idiocy.

Which alleged idiocy is much more logically and theologically sound than
Lorr's theist idiocies.

Which is why all Lorr can do is repeat his argumenta ad hominem.

 

[Virgil]

In article <U9SdnSH0_dbT3wnanZ2dnUVZ_qSonZ2d@comcast.com>,
Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote:

> bob young wrote:
>
> >
> > Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Mike wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>Roy Jose Lorr wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>". I observe that a very large portion of the human race does not
> >>>>>believe in God and suffers no visible punishment in consequence. And
> >>>>>if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that he would have such
> >>>>>an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt his existence."
> >>>>>--- Bertrand Russell
> >>>>
> >>>>Russel the moron.
> >
> >
> > WOW......... Invited in his day to lecture by just about every university
> > in the USA
>
> Universities invite every moron that makes himself available.
>
> >
> > How many lecture invitations have you managed this year Moron?
>
> Irrelevant, idiot.

It is relevant to your credibility versus Russell's.

And proves Russell far more credible, as well as more logical.

 

[Richard Anacker]

Virgil , 01.21.2008:

>> Irrelevant, idiot.
>
> It is relevant to your credibility

Which credibility? This fool has none at all.

greets
richie

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--
"Sure, Moses was a great leader, an emancipator of his people and a
prophet. Most people don't know that he also was the Biblical
equivalent of Splinter Cell's Sam Fisher--a well-honed killing
machine, able to slay from the shadows without pity or remorse.
Martin Luther King may have had a dream, but Moses had a body count."
-David Wong

 

[Starkiller]

On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 22:50:27 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
wrote:

>Starkiller wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 20 Jan 2008 19:49:11 -0800, Roy Jose Lorr <Kenthz@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Karl Johanson wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>"Roy Jose Lorr" <Kenthz@comcast.net> wrote
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>God needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>>>enough.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Batman needs no proof but since you insist: your existence is proof
>>>>enough.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you'll explain how my existence proves the existence of batman.
>>
>>
>> I believe they think that you were created by Batman.
>>
>> Y'know Robin did go around saying "holy" a lot.
>>
>> I dunno, I'm just sayin'....
>
>In other words you're just sayin nothin.

As the old saying goes. **** you if you can't take a joke.