The real progressive mind revealed.

[builder]

Good video, and more common sense combined with real witness and evidence instead of making stuff up just because it fits your political agenda and fears of the moment.

You think that video was good? One fireman who arrived after the event? The rest of the "content" was laughable.

This video is from a firefighter fighting for justice and truth on behalf of his fallen comrades.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TULmLtqRXZ4&feature=player_embedded

 

[jokersarewild]

And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground.

Actually, it's not impossible. At all.

As it turns out, you CAN fly that close to the ground at a fast speed. That's a Boeing 757, by the way.

Shill all you like, my friend, but explain to me why the CIA and FBI was on hand within minutes to consfiscate all the footage from cameras within the area, and none of that very important footage has ever been released to the public.

Chances are they were confiscating it to study it. Maybe there was something they were looking for on it that we don't realize. And why do they need to release it? So untrained assholes like us can pretend like we know something about it?

Seems to me that the best defence system in the known universe could have easily defended the largest centre of "intell" in the west. What was NORAD doing in the hours between the first strike and the last?

http://www.awitness...._standdown.html An amusing read offering an explanation to that.

 

[ImWithStupid]

Shhh!!!

Builder is a truther, through and through.

Facts, witnesses and science mean nothing to him. He read it on a blog somewhere so it must be true.

This is his next crusade...

Pakistani Websites Accuse CIA of Causing Pakistan Flooding: U.S. Research Program 'HAARP is being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Artificial Floods]'; 'They Can't Win a War with Nuclear-Armed Pakistan ... So They Have Other Ways to Do It'

Although the U.S. has been leading flood relief efforts in Pakistan, where nearly 20 million people have been affected by the worst floods in 80 years, the Pakistani media continue to publish anti-U.S. conspiracy theories regarding the floods. On August 6, 2010, a Pakistani website released a report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent," accusing the CIA and its alleged use of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the Alaska-based U.S. Air Force program, to artificially cause the flooding.

The website, pakalertpress.com, was registered on May 4, 2009 and is one of a family of new websites which have been propagating anti-U.S. conspiracy theories in Pakistan in recent years. Further examples of such websites and blogs are pakistankakhudahafiz.com, ahmedqureshi.com and takmeel.pk. These websites are also involved in conspiracy theories against Israel and India, and the tone of their content is pro-Pakistani military and pro-militant organizations. Some of these websites identify themselves with Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani demagogue who advocates Islamic revolution in South Asia and beyond. A collage of images on the homepage of takmeel.com announces its plan to launch a radio station from the Indian capital, declaring: "Coming Soon – Radio Pakistan Delhi."[1]

The unidentified authors of the August 6 report, which has been subsequently republished by several other websites, observed: "We have investigated this matter and concluded that HAARP is being used in Pakistan [to cause artificial flooding]..."[2] The pakalertpress.com published another report on August 18, titled "Is the CIA playing the HAARP in Pakistan?" – alleging indirectly that the U.S. military is using HAARP to cause flooding in Pakistan. It observed: "We are now seeing another phase of floods targeting Pakistan."[3]The report went on accuse HAARP researchers of experimenting with different types of weather weapons in recent years: 2005 – hurricanes; 2004 – tsunami; 2007 – floods; 2008 – tornadoes; 2009 – earthquakes.

The following are excerpts from these reports:

"We Have Investigatd This Matter and Concluded That HAARP is Being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Floods]"

Following are excerpts from an August 6 report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent:"[iv]

http://www.memri.org.../0/0/0/4561.htm


It seems that the United States and specifically the CIA are in cahoots with COBRA to get the weather control device...

 

[jokersarewild]

Shhh!!!

Builder is a truther, through and through.

Facts, witnesses and science mean nothing to him. He read it on a blog somewhere so it must be true.

This is his next crusade...

Pakistani Websites Accuse CIA of Causing Pakistan Flooding: U.S. Research Program 'HAARP is being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Artificial Floods]'; 'They Can't Win a War with Nuclear-Armed Pakistan ... So They Have Other Ways to Do It'

Although the U.S. has been leading flood relief efforts in Pakistan, where nearly 20 million people have been affected by the worst floods in 80 years, the Pakistani media continue to publish anti-U.S. conspiracy theories regarding the floods. On August 6, 2010, a Pakistani website released a report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent," accusing the CIA and its alleged use of the High Frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), the Alaska-based U.S. Air Force program, to artificially cause the flooding.

The website, pakalertpress.com, was registered on May 4, 2009 and is one of a family of new websites which have been propagating anti-U.S. conspiracy theories in Pakistan in recent years. Further examples of such websites and blogs are pakistankakhudahafiz.com, ahmedqureshi.com and takmeel.pk. These websites are also involved in conspiracy theories against Israel and India, and the tone of their content is pro-Pakistani military and pro-militant organizations. Some of these websites identify themselves with Zaid Hamid, a Pakistani demagogue who advocates Islamic revolution in South Asia and beyond. A collage of images on the homepage of takmeel.com announces its plan to launch a radio station from the Indian capital, declaring: "Coming Soon – Radio Pakistan Delhi."[1]

The unidentified authors of the August 6 report, which has been subsequently republished by several other websites, observed: "We have investigated this matter and concluded that HAARP is being used in Pakistan [to cause artificial flooding]..."[2] The pakalertpress.com published another report on August 18, titled "Is the CIA playing the HAARP in Pakistan?" – alleging indirectly that the U.S. military is using HAARP to cause flooding in Pakistan. It observed: "We are now seeing another phase of floods targeting Pakistan."[3]The report went on accuse HAARP researchers of experimenting with different types of weather weapons in recent years: 2005 – hurricanes; 2004 – tsunami; 2007 – floods; 2008 – tornadoes; 2009 – earthquakes.

The following are excerpts from these reports:

"We Have Investigatd This Matter and Concluded That HAARP is Being Used in Pakistan [to Cause Floods]"

Following are excerpts from an August 6 report titled "Pakistan Flood: HAARP Used in Pakistan? – Urgent:"[iv]

http://www.memri.org.../0/0/0/4561.htm


It seems that the United States and specifically the CIA are in cahoots with COBRA to get the weather control device...

Yes. That explains the 9/11 attacks, too. The Arabs were part of COBRA. It's all coming together now!

 

[ImWithStupid]

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This isn't COBRA Commander. It's a member of the Bin Laden family in a hijab!

 

[jokersarewild]

Oh look, an oft forgotten campaign poster for Obama:

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[ImWithStupid]

And any amount of propaganda doesn't negate the facts, TJ. Trained pilots have concertedly stated that nobody could fly a jetliner on the path of the "plane" that hit the pentagon, and it is physically impossible to fly at that speed so close to the ground.

Actually, it's not impossible. At all.

As it turns out, you CAN fly that close to the ground at a fast speed. That's a Boeing 757, by the way.


http://www.awitness...._standdown.html An amusing read offering an explanation to that.

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[timesjoke]

Well Builder, I posted a link to a popular mechanics page where they went line by line on the most popular conspiracy theory beliefs and they were all refuted by hard scientists anf facts, not unsupported conjecture.


You don't have one fact, just assumptions driven by your own redical mindset as well as those who share your hate. You feed off each other and completely ignore common sense and hard facts.




You need to step back and do some more thinking instead of just believeing everything you read on wacko websites.



How do you respond to my point that so many normal people would have to be in on the coverup? Where did the passengers go Builder? Why did the first responders to the Pentagon all report they saw dead bodies and plane parts in the wreckage?

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Is that part of the plane that hit the Pentagon Builder? If not, where did it come from and who put it there? You think Bush or Cheeny put it there? Can't you see that your beliefe of conspiracy must involve more than just them to work? People who don't have great power to gain must be in on this and why would they keep that blood on their hands.


I asked you if you would keep that lie hidden Builder, but you don't want to answer that question do you? You don't want to because you would have to admit that you would not, and that means you have to admit the other normal every day people most likely would not lie for Cheeny or Bush either.

 

[jokersarewild]

http://67.19.222.106/rumors/images/debris.jpg

Go to the link. Otherwise, it just shows a big green "Mr. Yuk" type thing.

 

[builder]

http://www.mujca.com/

As for Popular mechanics, what a joke that sh t is.

http://books.google.com.au/books?id=NLF-TcNb8oIC&dq=,+William+Randolph+Hearst&source=bl&ots=5WsOdEhBj1&sig=dM2NxdE1Lq_Ch9Dwjtfekwu1FSY&hl=en&ei=1ZWOTLa8A4esvgOv5NnnBg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=19&ved=0CGMQ6AEwEg

In the second and final installment of Hearst's biography, Procter (Not Without Honor: The Life of John H. Reagan ) attempts to humanize the reigning avatar of American media tycoonism. This is no easy task. Hearst's lavish and exotic tastes, his romantic juggling acts, his voracious appetite for anything that cost money and his ruthless pursuit of political office easily congeal into cartoonish self-parody. Procter, a history professor at Texas Christian University, proves that Hearst's intentions were pure—he genuinely wanted to improve the lives of all Americans. The focal point of the mogul's last 40 years is an unshakable political curse. Never internalizing the art of compromise, Hearst failed again and again to parlay his national newspaper puissance into political capital. He had a great knack for making, embellishing and fabricating the news, but no talent for anticipating it, as he continually dug his heels into the historically wrong side of all the big issues—from U.S. involvement in WWI and WWII to Roosevelt's New Deal. Revelatory research into the finer points of Hearst's protean political alliances is rich in detail, as is his infamous meeting with Hitler, but the author delivers the same summaries over and over again.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WULRQCgvsdE&feature=player_embedded

 

[ImWithStupid]

http://www.mujca.com/

As for Popular mechanics, what a joke that sh t is.

http://books.google....ved=0CGMQ6AEwEg

In the second and final installment of Hearst's biography, Procter (Not Without Honor: The Life of John H. Reagan ) attempts to humanize the reigning avatar of American media tycoonism. This is no easy task. Hearst's lavish and exotic tastes, his romantic juggling acts, his voracious appetite for anything that cost money and his ruthless pursuit of political office easily congeal into cartoonish self-parody. Procter, a history professor at Texas Christian University, proves that Hearst's intentions were pure—he genuinely wanted to improve the lives of all Americans. The focal point of the mogul's last 40 years is an unshakable political curse. Never internalizing the art of compromise, Hearst failed again and again to parlay his national newspaper puissance into political capital. He had a great knack for making, embellishing and fabricating the news, but no talent for anticipating it, as he continually dug his heels into the historically wrong side of all the big issues—from U.S. involvement in WWI and WWII to Roosevelt's New Deal. Revelatory research into the finer points of Hearst's protean political alliances is rich in detail, as is his infamous meeting with Hitler, but the author delivers the same summaries over and over again.

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I see you won't answer the question.

You claim that a plane couldn't fly that low, into the Pentagon. (despite proof on video of both the actual plane hitting the Pentagon and a 757 doing a fly by just feet of the ground and recovering from the maneuver)

What happened to American 77 and all the passengers and crew then?

Their families and friends? Were they all in on it? Did they all go into hiding?

Dumbass.

 

[timesjoke]

As for Popular mechanics, what a joke that sh t is.

Why is it a joke? Because they use hard science and real experts in every field to prove your wacko conspiracy theory as impossible? You can't stand to see hard evidence so you look away, blind yourself to that truth and hide behind the lie that they are in on it too?


You cling to impossible theories and when your asked to explain why so many innocent and non-power hungry people would join in on the conspiracy you simply dodge the question and continue spouting complete uneducated lunacy, that is the joke, a sick joke to be true, but still a joke.





For you conspricay theory to be true, thousands of regular people, just like you and me would have to be in on the coverup, would you hold that blood on your hands Builder? If your answer is no, then why do you assume other regular people like you but who live in America would do it? I understand your hate of Bush and Cheeny, but your allowing that hate to blind you from the truth, to blind you from the reality those two men could not do this by themselves.

 

[builder]

http://www.mujca.com/

As for Popular mechanics, what a joke that sh t is.

http://books.google....ved=0CGMQ6AEwEg

In the second and final installment of Hearst's biography, Procter (Not Without Honor: The Life of John H. Reagan ) attempts to humanize the reigning avatar of American media tycoonism. This is no easy task. Hearst's lavish and exotic tastes, his romantic juggling acts, his voracious appetite for anything that cost money and his ruthless pursuit of political office easily congeal into cartoonish self-parody. Procter, a history professor at Texas Christian University, proves that Hearst's intentions were pure—he genuinely wanted to improve the lives of all Americans. The focal point of the mogul's last 40 years is an unshakable political curse. Never internalizing the art of compromise, Hearst failed again and again to parlay his national newspaper puissance into political capital. He had a great knack for making, embellishing and fabricating the news, but no talent for anticipating it, as he continually dug his heels into the historically wrong side of all the big issues—from U.S. involvement in WWI and WWII to Roosevelt's New Deal. Revelatory research into the finer points of Hearst's protean political alliances is rich in detail, as is his infamous meeting with Hitler, but the author delivers the same summaries over and over again.

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I see you won't answer the question.

Mmmm'kay. Have we had our meds today?


You claim that a plane couldn't fly that low, into the Pentagon. (despite proof on video of both the actual plane hitting the Pentagon and a 757 doing a fly by just feet of the ground and recovering from the maneuver)

A glide-by at landing speed is special how exactly? Not even within ten metres of the ground?

What kinda deck are you dealing with?

As for the three-frame "pentagon footage", if that is the best photoshop you can come up with, you're even lamer than NIST. You're trying to tell me that the centre of intel in your country has freeze frame photography for a defense mechanism?

Thanks for coming buddy.

What happened to American 77 and all the passengers and crew then?

Apparently they got vapourised. Not a shred of fabric or no passports neither.

Their families and friends? Were they all in on it? Did they all go into hiding?

Plenty of paddocks out there buddy. Where did that other one set down?

Poor bastards had the gall to make a stand.

Dumbass.

Hyuck. You wuz alweys chukkin off at me at skool. Taimes dey dont change two much.

 

[timesjoke]

For your conspiracy theory to be true, thousands of regular people, just like you and me would have to be in on the coverup, would you hold that blood on your hands Builder? If your answer is no, then why do you assume other regular people like you but who live in America would do it? I understand your hate of Bush and Cheeny, but your allowing that hate to blind you from the truth, to blind you from the reality those two men could not do this by themselves.



Why do you keep dodging this point Builder?

 

[jokersarewild]

As for Popular Mechanics being a joke, a couple of things:

David might not have known what he was talking about. He sounded mildly ambushed. And perhaps he'd never heard of "pull it", or whatever it was, used in demolition. Whatever.

Main point: That story the jerkoff was talking about? The BBC came out and said that the names were common, so the people they had talked to weren't the hijackers. I'm curious as to where these "more than one" articles are, as there's only the one talking about how they were still alive.

 

[timesjoke]

Instead of trying to tie your hopes of refuting the popular mechanics detailed scientific proof based on one guys interview later, how about actually talking about the hard facts that are in that report?


And why are you too scared to actually talk about things like how thousands of every day normal people would have to be in on the conspiracy to work?




This is always the case with wack jobs who believe in crazy conspiracy theories. You always focus on one tiny assumption, you have no real facts to support that assumption, and when other real facts contradict that assumption, you simply ignore those other facts and refuse to even talk about them.

 

[builder]

As for Popular Mechanics being a joke, a couple of things:

David might not have known what he was talking about. He sounded mildly ambushed. And perhaps he'd never heard of "pull it", or whatever it was, used in demolition. Whatever.

Main point: That story the jerkoff was talking about? The BBC came out and said that the names were common, so the people they had talked to weren't the hijackers. I'm curious as to where these "more than one" articles are, as there's only the one talking about how they were still alive.

The "pull it" thing is old hat. Did you hear the part where certain images and footage were supposedly "made available" to pop mechanics, but nobody else can get to see them?

And getting back to the owner of the magazine, Hearst fabricates "news", and has a long history of doing it. He also wants to be politically involved, but can't get a leg in the door.

Anyone who seriously believes that magazine is scientific, rather than a common pulp periodical, needs to do some research of their own.

As for NIST giving Hearst, a magazine owner, access to images for research purposes, then telling him he was not to publish them, smells worse than my work socks after a hot day in the sun.

 

[snafu]

Once Popular Mechanics refuted and proved the Truthers wrong on every single claim why didn’t they try to come back and prove PM wrong? Why because they can’t fight hard cold facts. Notice the Truthers are disappearing in big numbers? Your fighting a loosing battle builder.:sweat:

 

[timesjoke]

Once Popular Mechanics refuted and proved the Truthers wrong on every single claim why didn’t they try to come back and prove PM wrong? Why because they can’t fight hard cold facts. Notice the Truthers are disappearing in big numbers? Your fighting a loosing battle builder.:sweat:

That is why he is desperately attacking the edges of the report like trying to make the owner look bad, but the facts offered are things Builder cannot talk about because he has no facts of his own, only theories and assumptions.



This is also why he refuses to admit that thousands of regular people would have to be in on the conspiracy for it to work, if Builder admitted to that fact, he would also have to admit that it is doubtful they would keep that blood on their hands to protect Bush, Cheeny, or anyone else. Builder is stuck in a self sustaining delusion where his mind just does not allow himself to see any facts that don't agree with his assumptions.



Builder is most definately on the same radical level as an Islamic terrorist, they isolate their minds from reality and immerse themselves into very strictly controlled circles of information that supports their beliefs and hatreds while insulating them from things that don't.

 

[wez]

Builder is most definately on the same radical level as an Islamic terrorist, they isolate their minds from reality and immerse themselves into very strictly controlled circles of information that supports their beliefs and hatreds while insulating them from things that don't.

Actually.. sounds just like you, moron...