The whole gay thing.

[Msixty]

ok, the whole is gay a mental or social thing, argument has (in my opinion) seen many good points on both sides.

but i think that it is a mixture of both .

i'll give you two examples and why i beleave they prove this,

the first, is a boy that is only 12 years old, his father is a good man, he has a loving mother, he goes hunting and fishing with his dad most weekends and helps around the house cleaning and doing chores, his dad is teaching him carpentry and he has a treehouse he made himself, and he is an all around normal (to the point of creepy textbook perfection) kid. But he is also into playing with barbie dolls and he likes rainbows (steriotype i know, but it's for the sake of argument) and he is not looking at girls like some of his friends are starting/continuing to. instaid our subject is attracted to his male friends, he doesn't know why, he just is.

that would be genetic, our subject was born with a slightly different brain function that his friends, this has been documented to happen, and in the extreem the subject actually hase a brain of the other ***. the boy has no social pressure to be gay, he problably doesn't even know what that means, but he still likes other boys. he is natually gay, but it is becouse of a poor genetic construction, so the child actually has a genetic disorder (**** STRAIGHT i called him being gay a genetic disorder, i'm not being a 'hater' it's a fact) and society has nothing to do with it.

now, another boy was born and raised in california (lol, gotta stick to steriotypes) and is genetically normal, but he has a gay dad and..uh..dad, and he was raised to accept and respect homosexuality. he never really questioned it and felt that he should like boys, he isn't repulsed to women, but he thinks his dads might be upset if he started being with girls, so he found other boys like himself and 5 years down the like, well, as McD's says, Da-Da-Da-Da-Da, he's loving it.

that would be social, the boy had normal mental function, but was influenced so that he felt it was right, even neccesary, to be attracted to the opposit ***. and so after practicing this phisically for a period of a few years, the boy has made this his personal feelings, not just what he sees. (NOTE: this is not what i think EVERY social pressure situation is like, it's just blatent and non-subliminal to prove my point)

well, that's what i think, they are both big contributers, dissect at will.....

but leave my horrible spelling out of it, i know most of it is wrong, but i never exelled in that regaurd, and i have NO spell check or admin privalages to get one. and no that does not mean i'm stupid.

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

OK... Where to begin...

First, as to the notion that homosexuality is just a sexual attraction to the same *** ....

Homosexuality has been viewed and depicted as this by the PC media for years. It is utter horse ****.

Homosexuality isn't simply having an attraction toward members of the same ***. It is also... and MORE IMPORTANTLY... LACKING the EMOTIONAL ABILITY to intimately and romantically bond with the opposite ***. Homosexuals do not simply get together to have ***. They actually have relationships and bond in ways that they are incapable of bonding with opposite *** individuals. It would be absurd to attempt to explain this away with the notion that you can not bond in that way with people you aren't having *** with or to whom you aren't sexually attracted. Of course you can. You see people get married every day who, at first sight, could not possibly have been sexually attracted to each other yet were able to bond intimately and romantically to the point that the sexual attraction actually developed over time. (Tom Arnold and Rosanne Barr come to mind)

Regardless of what you have as a presupposition about the nature v/s nurture argument regarding the physical aspects of homosexuality... you MUST be willing to admit that the deciding factors in the people with whom we feel comfortable enough to bond intimately and romantically are psychological and so this INABILITY IS nurture.

You want to know who the real homosexuals are? They are the ones for whom same *** individuals aren't only their lovers or partners ... same *** individuals are also all of their closest friends and all of the non-familial opposite *** individuals in their social circles are also homosexuals. Real lesbians do not have male best friends and real homosexual males do not have female best friends because, while those relationships do not require romance, they DO require intimacy.

On to pedophelia....

The overwhelming majority of pedophiles are men. To me.. that says it is a nurture thing. The majority of child molesters are NOT pedophiles.

YES... I said MOST child molesters are NOT pedophiles. Here's why...

Most child molesters are not sexually attracted to children. Yes.. I said the child itself is not the attraction in the act of child molestation most of the time. Most child molesters victimize children for 2 reasons... 1. they are sexual cowards. 2. the child is available.

You may be wondering, But how can someone have *** with something he/she isn't attracted to?

Ask your hand that question.

The really violent ones get off on the act of forceable ***... the lesser violent groomers are turned on by the fact that they have either manipulated or tricked someone into doing something they didn't want to do... or scared someone into compliance with their wishes. It's all a power and control thing. Typically they would prefer to be doing these things to adults and if they were not cowards they would be attempting to do so. They don't because, if they try.. even once.. and fail... it blows the whole "I'm a big, bad, cunning, predator!" self image out of the water... and that fantasy of their self is the only source of self-esteem they have. Most of them do have sexual relationships with adults but those relationships don't satisfy their need to feel like they are out-smarting someone or physically in control of someone.

If Ted Bundy had been that kind of coward... he would have been a serial child molester/killer instead of just a serial rapist/killer

Pedophiles are an entirely different animal. In the same way homosexuals are sexually, intimately, and romantically attracted toward same-*** individuals and incapable of forming those relationships with the opposite ***... Pedophiles are sexually, intimately, and romantically attracted to children and are incapable of having those kinds of relationships with adults. They actually fall in love with children. In the same way women dress and behave in ways that will attract a man... And men dress and behave in ways that will attract a woman... Pedophiles will dress and act in a way that will attract children. Hold a photo of Michael Jackson next to a photo of John Couey and you will see the difference between a child molester and a pedophile.

Michael Jackson... There could not be a better text-book example of a pedophile than he is. He dresses like a toy soldier and talks and acts like an excited, effeminate 8 year old boy. His home is an amusement park and zoo. He arranges for children to sleep at his house… without their parents around… and in his bed. He lavishes money and gifts on children and always makes sure his victims come from a family that is less than protective .

So while child molesters aren't easily spotted... pedophiles tend to stick out in a crowd if you know what to look for. They are the 45 year old men who are dressed like a teenager.. in the name brands kids wear. With the baggy DKNY skater pants and the ball cap. They hang out at the b-ball court or city park. They always have the coolest new video game system and the newest games that kids just love... And they listen to all the new bands and know all the songs that kids know. And they are the nice guy who is always available to hang out with your kid when you need him to... the cool guy whose house your kid always wants to go to… the guy with no kids who volunteers to coach the t-ball team or be the scout leader. The teacher at school who seems to always find the extra time to spend with your kid... "He's such a good boy."

Pedophiles truly believe that what they are doing is good and right. They believe it is love and so it can't be bad. They believe the rest of society is just a bunch of ignorant oppressors and don't know what real love is.

Child molesters know what they are doing is wrong and harmful to their victims... they just don't give a **** so long as no one else knows they do it. Pedophiles believe they are right and so they don't think they have victims. They think they have forbidden love... so they form organizations to fight for their right to love children... as if it is a noble thing to do.

What both power-and-control driven child-molestation and pedophilia are… is PSYCHOLOGICAL… and thus ENVIRONMENTAL.

Hello... BTW

 

[hugo]

OK... Where to begin...
You want to know who the real homosexuals are? They are the ones for whom same *** individuals aren't only their lovers or partners ... same *** individuals are also all of their closest friends and all of the non-familial opposite *** individuals in their social circles are also homosexuals. Real lesbians do not have male best friends and real homosexual males do not have female best friends because, while those relationships do not require romance, they DO require intimacy.

And what the **** led you to those conclusions?

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

And what the **** led you to those conclusions?

I believe I made myself clear but I will say it again...

Homosexuals arent just attracted only to the same ***. They are also only capable of forming intimate and romantic relationships with the same ***.

Best friends IS an intimate relationship.

Let me get out the fat crayons and draw you a picture....

Will and Grace ... Will... He is capable of having a close intimate relationship with a woman. Grace is his best friend. He lives with a woman. He cuddles on the sofa to watch tv with a woman... He wrestles and plays physically and cries on her shoulder and offers her a shoulder to cry on. He is loyal to her and he defends her to detractors... The only thing he doesn't do is screw her. He is a classic example of someone who has chosen to be gay.

 

[Jhony5]

Did you just cite a ******* stupid *** *** **** TV show in the middle of a serious discussion? You have got to be ******* joking right?

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

Well.. I had to find some way to make the simple even simpler. Hugo seemed to have a hard time understanding it the way it was.

 

[builder]

Well.. I had to find some way to make the simple even simpler. Hugo seemed to have a hard time understanding it the way it was.

You're mistaken, CMF. Hugo understands, but he needs to be convinced, to change his point of view.

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

I could not give two ***** less whether or not Hugo changes his point of view.

If he wants to go through life being wrong... he has the right to do so. It's a free-ish country.

 

[hugo]

I could not give two ***** less whether or not Hugo changes his point of view.
If he wants to go through life being wrong... he has the right to do so. It's a free-ish country.

Most people require evidence. Not wildass statements from an admitted child abuser.

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

What would you be willing to accept as evidence?

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

And I havent abused you... yet.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

but leave my horrible spelling out of it, i know most of it is wrong, but i never exelled in that regaurd, and i have NO spell check or admin privalages to get one. and no that does not mean i'm stupid.

You may not be stupid, M60, but you're pretty **** close. You can download the Google Toolbar and it was a free spellchecker on it.

 

[Msixty]

that requires administrative privliges, i don't have them, i said that.....

and i'm not stupid or close to it

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Will and Grace ... Will... He is capable of having a close intimate relationship with a woman. Grace is his best friend. He lives with a woman. He cuddles on the sofa to watch tv with a woman... He wrestles and plays physically and cries on her shoulder and offers her a shoulder to cry on. He is loyal to her and he defends her to detractors... The only thing he doesn't do is screw her. He is a classic example of someone who has chosen to be gay.

Your argument held water and seemed eloquently put, that is, until you cited Will and Grace as an example. If anything, Will and Grace is the perfect example of flagship grandeur designed to subvert the status quo of the dominant paradigm.

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

Look, You idiot... Before I wrote the part you quoted... Did you see where I said I was going to get out the fat crayons and draw him a ******* picture? That means I am going to use an example that is overly simplified and cartoonish in nature in order to make a point to him... because he didn't get it.

******* I am going to have to buy a whole ******* crate of fat crayons if I am going to be debating here.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Look, You idiot... Before I wrote the part you quoted... Did you see where I said I was going to get out the fat crayons and draw him a ******* picture? That means I am going to use an example that is overly simplified and cartoonish in nature in order to make a point to him... because he didn't get it.
******* I am going to have to buy a whole ******* crate of fat crayons if I am going to be debating here.

What you call debating, I call bullshitting.

Television programs, no matter how real reality shows are to your feeble little noggin, are fictional. Citing Will and Grace does not add credence to your argument, but takes away from it.

Save your simplified illustrations for those who can't ******* discern fantasy from actuality.

 

[ClassyMissFancy]

Save your simplified illustrations for those who can't ******* discern fantasy from actuality.

Do you mean "FOR those WHO can't ******* discern"

If you and those like you could understand the original versions... the simplified versions would not be needed.

My next step would have been to use Bert and Ernie as an example of two **** who have no female friends.

Grow an adult brain and I won't have to talk to you like a child.

 

[RoyalOrleans]

Do you mean "FOR those WHO can't ******* discern"

Yes, I did.

If you and those like you could understand the original versions... the simplified versions would not be needed.

Oh... I understood the original version.

This is just another version of an age old debate. The arguments presented are boring and droll.

My next step would have been to use Bert and Ernie as an example of two **** who have no female friends.

I think Ernie is more of a ***-hag. Bert seems so taciturn and gruff.

Grow an adult brain and I won't have to talk to you like a child.

Plant a tree. Feed a deer.

 

[hugo]

She's a ******* moron who tries to redefine the word homosexuality and claim all true homosexuals are completely incapable of bonding with the opposite ***. Her evidence of this is episodes of "Will and Grace". Miss Bimbo, please define me how you seperate the real homosexuals from the false ones and why don't you submit some evidence to back up your stupid theory besides a TV sitcom?

You saying something does not make it true. Try turning off TV and abusing children and read a book.

Once again here is the bimbo's statement.

You want to know who the real homosexuals are? They are the ones for whom same *** individuals aren't only their lovers or partners ... same *** individuals are also all of their closest friends and all of the non-familial opposite *** individuals in their social circles are also homosexuals. Real lesbians do not have male best friends and real homosexual males do not have female best friends because, while those relationships do not require romance, they DO require intimacy.

Back it up.

Let me give Webster's definition:

Main Entry: 1ho

 

[Jhony5]

An awful lot of insisting and "I know I'm right" going on in this thread. When you consider that none of the posters in this thread are homosexual. Or at least not admitted their homosexuality cough cough Hugo cough. Excuse me I have a nasty cold.

This was a reasonably intelligent discussion and exchange of ideas. That is until it became a very immature **** flinging contest. Sometimes keeping an open mind is the best angle to approach from when discussing something that you cannot seriously say you know for sure. Unless your gay, you don't know for sure. So all of you back down from your stance and give a little ground to prevent this from becoming a full on scrum.