There Is No Hell

[Will]

bob young wrote:
>
> Will wrote:
>
>> bob young wrote:
>>> Will wrote:
>>>
>>>> bob young wrote:
>>>>> Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2007 22:17:01 -0600, bob young
>>>>>> <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ted J L wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> In article <13ke44aivhesmb4@corp.supernews.com>, ghamph@localnet.com says...
>>>>>>>>> There Is No Hell
>>>>>>>> "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof
>>>>>>>> are the ways of death."[Pr 16:25]
>>>>>>> If there is a God who will damn his children forever,
>>>>>> We're not his children until we repent and accept his only
>>>>>> begotton Son Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior.
>>>>> So say the early humans who made it all up in the first place.
>>>>>
>>>>> No god ever said it.
>>>> OK, there's your claim. Prove it. I want to see objective verifiable
>>>> evidence.
>>> Not until you provide the evidence for a god - then I will tackle you good and
>>> strong.
>>>
>> I'm not the one making the claim, you are.
>
> CLAIM - Will has no proof of any gods.

CLAIM - Bob Young has no proof of the nonexistence of God, yet has made
the claim that there is no God.

EVIDENCE - See above

Regards,

Will

 

[NOspam@no.spam]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:35:36 GMT, Will <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

>NOspam@no.spam wrote:
>> Hello, Will. I don't believe we've met. Welcome to
>> alt.religion.christian.baptist. I'm Elaine.
>>
>> Nice to meet you! )
>
>Hi Elaine,
>
>Thanks for the welcoming. I'm actually posting from
>alt.religion.christian and alt.religion.christianity. Anyway, it's nice
>to meet you.
>
>Regards,
>
>Will

Thanks for the comeback, Will. Hope you're having a great day.
Snowy here, and cold - how is it there?
(And if it's warm, I'm JEALOUS!!!!) )

 

[Gabriel]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 02:47:30 GMT, Will <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

>Ghamph wrote:
>> "Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:rd11l3hsh0t7kuihapd5i8oemds2f5rcbr@4ax.com...
>>> On 30 Nov 2007 02:19:01 -0600, bob young
>>> <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Will wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> bob young wrote:
>>>>>> Gabriel wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 23 Nov 2007 22:17:01 -0600, bob young
>>>>>>> <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Ted J L wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In article <13ke44aivhesmb4@corp.supernews.com>,
>> ghamph@localnet.com says...
>>>>>>>>>> There Is No Hell
>>>>>>>>> "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof
>>>>>>>>> are the ways of death."[Pr 16:25]
>>>>>>>> If there is a God who will damn his children forever,
>>>>>>> We're not his children until we repent and accept his only
>>>>>>> begotton Son Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior.
>>>>>> So say the early humans who made it all up in the first place.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> No god ever said it.
>>>>> OK, there's your claim. Prove it. I want to see objective verifiable
>>>>> evidence.
>>>> Not until you provide the evidence for a god - then I will tackle you
>> good and
>>>> strong.
>>> The evidence is all around you. You want to reject the evidence
>>> right under your nose, then act like there isn't any. Creation
>>> itself is all the evidence you need. Life; Intelligence;
>>> Consciousness; Conscience; Reproduction; Earth; the universe; The
>>> Laws of Nature; The millions of drastically distinct life forms;
>>> The perfect conditions here on Earth to sustain life, any of
>>> which being any different and life here would not be possible.
>>> The evidence that points to God is all around you in plain sight.
>>>
>>> But because you go under the presupposition that no God could
>>> possibly exist, you ignore what the evidence of creation tells
>>> you loud and clear, and instead make up some other idea that the
>>> evidence barely points to at all.
>>>
>>> So unless you can prove God doesn't exist, then there's no
>>> denying that the evidence points to God drastically more than any
>>> other human theory people have tried to conjure up.
>>>
>>> Romans 1:19-20 KJVR Because that which may be known of God is
>>> manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. 20 For the
>>> invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
>>> clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
>>> his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>>
>> To prove that I am not a murderer is easy. I've never killed.
>> To prove that I am a murderer, I need to kill somebody.
>
>The burden of proof for murder, at least in the states, consists of
>proving two parts, actus rea (the act was comitted by the defendant) and
>mens rea (the state of mind was present that allowed the murderer to
>make a choice at some point leading up to the murder; the defendant knew
>right from wrong at the time of the murder). Also note that murder is
>different from manslaughter based on mens rea, though they both are
>clearly homicide.
>
>Nonetheless, whether or not the state can prove someone a murderer does
>NOT mean that the defendant, or the primary suspect, did not factually
>commit murder. A murderer is factually a murderer whether the state can
>prove it or not. It's just a matter of legal proof in order to legally
>convict a suspect/defendant of murder.
>
>> No supreme being exists, and you will never prove that one does, moron.
>
>Argumentum ad ignorantum. You've made your claim that no supreme being
>exists, now it's time to prove it, or just accept that this is your
>personal belief, and there will be those who will chose differently.
>Once you accept this, than maybe you can move on to a more tolerant
>position among those who chose to believe differently (after all, we're
>in religious NGs, not alt.atheism).

Amen! Praise God!

>
>Regards,
>
>Will

 

[Gabriel]

On 1 Dec 2007 23:24:02 -0600, bob young
<alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:

>
>
>Gabriel wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 30 Nov 2007 18:08:20 -0500, "Ghamph"
>> <ghamph@localnet.com> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"Gabriel" <gabriel_baptist@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>> >news:rd11l3hsh0t7kuihapd5i8oemds2f5rcbr@4ax.com...
>> >> On 30 Nov 2007 02:19:01 -0600, bob young
>> >> <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >Will wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >> bob young wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Gabriel wrote:
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> >> On 23 Nov 2007 22:17:01 -0600, bob young
>> >> >> >> <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote:
>> >> >> >>
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>> Ted J L wrote:
>> >> >> >>>
>> >> >> >>>> In article <13ke44aivhesmb4@corp.supernews.com>,
>> >ghamph@localnet.com says...
>> >> >> >>>>> There Is No Hell
>> >> >> >>>> "There is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof
>> >> >> >>>> are the ways of death."[Pr 16:25]
>> >> >> >>> If there is a God who will damn his children forever,
>> >> >> >> We're not his children until we repent and accept his only
>> >> >> >> begotton Son Jesus Christ as our Lord and savior.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > So say the early humans who made it all up in the first place.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > No god ever said it.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> OK, there's your claim. Prove it. I want to see objective verifiable
>> >> >> evidence.
>> >> >
>> >> >Not until you provide the evidence for a god - then I will tackle you
>> >good and
>> >> >strong.
>> >>
>> >> The evidence is all around you. You want to reject the evidence
>> >> right under your nose, then act like there isn't any. Creation
>> >> itself is all the evidence you need. Life; Intelligence;
>> >> Consciousness; Conscience; Reproduction; Earth; the universe; The
>> >> Laws of Nature; The millions of drastically distinct life forms;
>> >> The perfect conditions here on Earth to sustain life, any of
>> >> which being any different and life here would not be possible.
>> >> The evidence that points to God is all around you in plain sight.
>> >>
>> >> But because you go under the presupposition that no God could
>> >> possibly exist, you ignore what the evidence of creation tells
>> >> you loud and clear, and instead make up some other idea that the
>> >> evidence barely points to at all.
>> >>
>> >> So unless you can prove God doesn't exist, then there's no
>> >> denying that the evidence points to God drastically more than any
>> >> other human theory people have tried to conjure up.
>> >>
>> >> Romans 1:19-20 KJVR Because that which may be known of God is
>> >> manifest in them; for God hath showed it unto them. 20 For the
>> >> invisible things of him from the creation of the world are
>> >> clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even
>> >> his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse:
>> >
>> >To prove that I am not a murderer is easy. I've never killed.
>> >To prove that I am a murderer, I need to kill somebody.
>> >No supreme being exists, and you will never prove that one does, moron.
>> >You exist, therefore, fairies and elves made you, what a certified moron.
>>
>> It's a shame that nasty personal attacks are you only method of
>> debate when it comes to the truth of God. You clearly are not
>> interested in the truth.
>>
>> But one thing is clear: your conscience is fully aware of the
>> real truth of God, and you spending large chunks of your time in
>> here trying to silence the truth within you, and the hate you
>> bring forth, all testify that the truth has a hold on you, and
>> you're kicking and screaming to silence it.
>
>Groan. I have never read such nonsense in my life

Still waiting on a response pointing out how you obviously lied
about a few things, Bob. It's in the post "Proof #6". Until you
can properly explain why you lied like you did, it's clear truth
is not what you're interested in, but rather just attacking
anyone who believes something you unfortunately do not yet
believe.

>
>>
>>
>> Romans 2:15 KJVR Which show the work of the law written in their
>> hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts
>> the mean while accusing or else excusing one another
>>
>> You show this to be the case with every post you make; with every
>> hour you continue to spend in here; with every personal attack
>> you make..............
>
>."..............my god is questioned and I just don't like it, do you hear? I
>DON'T LIKE IT, it goes against everything my mother taught me and what that tall
>man in a white gown she took me to see every Sunday taught me,
>so STOP IT, DO YOU HEAR "
>
>> You can either choose to listen to your own conscience,
>> or you can continue to spend a ton of time in religious
>> newsgroups, screaming at everyone else and insulting as many
>> people as you can in an attempt to silence your own conscience. I
>> hope you make the right choice someday.
>>
>> Take care.
>>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Regards,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> William
>> >

 

[Will]

NOspam@no.spam wrote:
> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:35:36 GMT, Will <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
>
>> NOspam@no.spam wrote:
>>> Hello, Will. I don't believe we've met. Welcome to
>>> alt.religion.christian.baptist. I'm Elaine.
>>>
>>> Nice to meet you! )
>> Hi Elaine,
>>
>> Thanks for the welcoming. I'm actually posting from
>> alt.religion.christian and alt.religion.christianity. Anyway, it's nice
>> to meet you.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Will
>
> Thanks for the comeback, Will. Hope you're having a great day.
> Snowy here, and cold - how is it there?
> (And if it's warm, I'm JEALOUS!!!!) )

It's not warm, but it's not snowing, so I'm happy about that much at
least. Anyway, hang in there. Snowy days will pass in a few months I'm
sure.

Regards,

Will

 

In article <vqp4j.5126$C24.119@newssvr17.news.prodigy.net>, Will
<nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

>

 

[NOspam@no.spam]

On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 19:44:03 -0800, Will <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:

>NOspam@no.spam wrote:
>> On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 16:35:36 GMT, Will <nomail@afraid.org> wrote:
>>
>>> NOspam@no.spam wrote:
>>>> Hello, Will. I don't believe we've met. Welcome to
>>>> alt.religion.christian.baptist. I'm Elaine.
>>>>
>>>> Nice to meet you! )
>>> Hi Elaine,
>>>
>>> Thanks for the welcoming. I'm actually posting from
>>> alt.religion.christian and alt.religion.christianity. Anyway, it's nice
>>> to meet you.
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> Will
>>
>> Thanks for the comeback, Will. Hope you're having a great day.
>> Snowy here, and cold - how is it there?
>> (And if it's warm, I'm JEALOUS!!!!) )
>
>It's not warm, but it's not snowing, so I'm happy about that much at
>least. Anyway, hang in there. Snowy days will pass in a few months I'm
>sure.
>
>Regards,
>
>Will

If all this shoveling doesn't put me six feet under first! LOL!